Is the Z06 a legit Supercar?
05-15-2018, 05:56 PM
#281
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Say high to the Ferrari guys when you grovel before them. Probably gives them a good laugh...
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05-15-2018, 06:27 PM
#283
Or tell anyone with a REAL supercar if they like their corvette supercar, that will generate the most laughter lol.
But no Z owners will ever mention that to real supercar owners in fear they will get hurt by the truth. So they just keep it to themselves or tell others who know NOTHING about cars!
But no Z owners will ever mention that to real supercar owners in fear they will get hurt by the truth. So they just keep it to themselves or tell others who know NOTHING about cars!
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05-15-2018, 06:43 PM
#284
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Ohhhh...I see. By your logic, only the MEGA RICH who have enough money to buy a BRAND NEW Bugatti every year own ACTUAL supercars. The dudes that own 10+ year old Lambo's, McLarens, etc. (but bought them new) and only drive them a couple hundred miles a year, their cars are not super cars because they're no longer worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. I see. That all makes sense now. 
Here's an R8 with only 28K miles on it...https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/36670702 (But not a supercar right?)
How about an Aston DB9 with UNDER 10K miles? https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/40263757 (Still not a supercar though right?)
How about a Gallardo with 22K miles? https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/20019291 (This was NEVER a supercar right? It certainly isn't now because its used right?)
But what about when I buy that 06 Gallardo USED and bring it to UGR and upgrade it like this: http://www.undergroundracing.com/car...a-edition.html and SMASH EVERY MODERN HYPERCAR I come across? Still not a supercar though huh?
Here's an R8 with only 28K miles on it...https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/36670702 (But not a supercar right?)
How about an Aston DB9 with UNDER 10K miles? https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/40263757 (Still not a supercar though right?)
How about a Gallardo with 22K miles? https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/20019291 (This was NEVER a supercar right? It certainly isn't now because its used right?)
But what about when I buy that 06 Gallardo USED and bring it to UGR and upgrade it like this: http://www.undergroundracing.com/car...a-edition.html and SMASH EVERY MODERN HYPERCAR I come across? Still not a supercar though huh?
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05-15-2018, 06:45 PM
#285
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Or tell anyone with a REAL supercar if they like their corvette supercar, that will generate the most laughter lol.
But no Z owners will ever mention that to real supercar owners in fear they will get hurt by the truth. So they just keep it to themselves or tell others who know NOTHING about cars!
But no Z owners will ever mention that to real supercar owners in fear they will get hurt by the truth. So they just keep it to themselves or tell others who know NOTHING about cars!
Keep up with the magazine wish list! None of those around any of the 3 cites I live so no worries!
05-15-2018, 06:49 PM
#286
What is with all the straw man arguments? Are people really unable to address what is actually said instead of making things up? No one said anything about "mega rich." Also, we are obviously not talking about 10 year old cars like I already mentioned. Lastly, the v8 R8 and the DB9 are not supercars. When they came out, they did not have the performance to put them in supercar status. I do agree that the Gallardo is a supercar (even though the one you linked has a salvaged title and is torn up LOL) but, again, we are not discussing old supercars because it doesn't scale with current cars. Every generation of cars gets better, including the supercars, until newer sports cars are just as good as old out-dated supercars. If you cannot grasp that simple concept then I don't know what to tell you.
But hey, let these guys dream about their supercar!! As long as they keep it on a hush hush. You know.....in case real supercar owners are listening lol
05-15-2018, 07:40 PM
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05-15-2018, 08:07 PM
#290
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False cause
Ad hominem
the fallacy fallacy
personal incredulity
ambiguity
tu quoque
composition/division, etc. etc.
Simply put, you're a waste of my time.
EDIT: And BTW, me being guilty of a strawman fallacy would mean that you actually input some point of accuracy or evidence (that is NOT opinion) in which I could then misrepresent for my behalf. Since you have input nothing of merit or substance, I can't be cited as "grasping at straws."
Last edited by Pb82 Ronin; 05-15-2018 at 08:11 PM.
05-15-2018, 08:33 PM
#291
And even if i don't, has no relevance to the lesson you got in this thread
But to make it more funny, a supercar is actually hard to work on. Whereas working on a corvette isn't
05-16-2018, 05:24 AM
#294
05-16-2018, 09:46 AM
#295
Banned Scam/Spammer
Yeah, I'm the one grasping at straws. Pretty sure this is exactly what you said. So you tell me since you're the one who said it...what exactly is your definition of middle class? You never define it. You just say middle class can't afford a supercar. And you don't even define a "supercar" in your argument. I clearly demonstrated my point with examples to support my stance, and all you replied with is "those aren't supercars." Well, says you. Many others would disagree. But since you're wanting to call out fallacies, you're guilty of the following:
False cause
Ad hominem
the fallacy fallacy
personal incredulity
ambiguity
tu quoque
composition/division, etc. etc.
Simply put, you're a waste of my time.
EDIT: And BTW, me being guilty of a strawman fallacy would mean that you actually input some point of accuracy or evidence (that is NOT opinion) in which I could then misrepresent for my behalf. Since you have input nothing of merit or substance, I can't be cited as "grasping at straws."
False cause
Ad hominem
the fallacy fallacy
personal incredulity
ambiguity
tu quoque
composition/division, etc. etc.
Simply put, you're a waste of my time.
EDIT: And BTW, me being guilty of a strawman fallacy would mean that you actually input some point of accuracy or evidence (that is NOT opinion) in which I could then misrepresent for my behalf. Since you have input nothing of merit or substance, I can't be cited as "grasping at straws."
You are right, this is a waste of your time. I am glad you can Google logical fallacies but yet you still do not know what they mean. By the way, no one said you were grasping at straws which is completely different than a straw man, lol. This coupled with the fact you try to use a 10 year old wrecked, salvage titled car to prove your point make it obvious you cannot form a coherent position. I and many others have already previously stated what makes a supercar so you can go back and look it up. You can also find a wealth of information on what incomes constitute middle class but Pew Research defines it as a range from 42k to 125k for a household of 3 before tax. No one is affording a current generation supercar (not wrecked 10 year old examples) that is well over 2 times their after tax income when you factor in all of their other expenses.
This whole discussion has become boring. If you really think a z06 is a supercar then good for you. If you have one go out and enjoy it. I and many others disagree. One good thing is, if I am wrong then I guess I have owned several supercars over the years which is kind of cool.
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05-16-2018, 10:18 AM
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You are right, this is a waste of your time. I am glad you can Google logical fallacies but yet you still do not know what they mean. By the way, no one said you were grasping at straws which is completely different than a straw man, lol. This coupled with the fact you try to use a 10 year old wrecked, salvage titled car to prove your point make it obvious you cannot form a coherent position. I and many others have already previously stated what makes a supercar so you can go back and look it up.
"A supercar is a luxury, high-performance sports car or grand tourer.[1][2] The term is used in marketing by automakers for unusual and expensive vehicles, and has been used to refer to different sorts of cars:
* Limited-production specials from an "elite" automaker[3]
* Standard-looking cars modified for power and performance[3]
* Models from smaller manufacturers that appeal to enthusiasts[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
So, why should we go by your definition, rather than someone elses?
05-16-2018, 11:04 AM
#297
Le Mans Master
You are right, this is a waste of your time. I am glad you can Google logical fallacies but yet you still do not know what they mean. By the way, no one said you were grasping at straws which is completely different than a straw man, lol. This coupled with the fact you try to use a 10 year old wrecked, salvage titled car to prove your point make it obvious you cannot form a coherent position. I and many others have already previously stated what makes a supercar so you can go back and look it up. You can also find a wealth of information on what incomes constitute middle class but Pew Research defines it as a range from 42k to 125k for a household of 3 before tax. No one is affording a current generation supercar (not wrecked 10 year old examples) that is well over 2 times their after tax income when you factor in all of their other expenses.
This whole discussion has become boring. If you really think a z06 is a supercar then good for you. If you have one go out and enjoy it. I and many others disagree. One good thing is, if I am wrong then I guess I have owned several supercars over the years which is kind of cool.
This whole discussion has become boring. If you really think a z06 is a supercar then good for you. If you have one go out and enjoy it. I and many others disagree. One good thing is, if I am wrong then I guess I have owned several supercars over the years which is kind of cool.
05-16-2018, 12:54 PM
#300
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Since you have endorsed looking it up, I did, and here's what it said:
"A supercar is a luxury, high-performance sports car or grand tourer.[1][2] The term is used in marketing by automakers for unusual and expensive vehicles, and has been used to refer to different sorts of cars:
* Limited-production specials from an "elite" automaker[3]
* Standard-looking cars modified for power and performance[3]
* Models from smaller manufacturers that appeal to enthusiasts[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
So, why should we go by your definition, rather than someone elses?
"A supercar is a luxury, high-performance sports car or grand tourer.[1][2] The term is used in marketing by automakers for unusual and expensive vehicles, and has been used to refer to different sorts of cars:
* Limited-production specials from an "elite" automaker[3]
* Standard-looking cars modified for power and performance[3]
* Models from smaller manufacturers that appeal to enthusiasts[3]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
So, why should we go by your definition, rather than someone elses?
The others trying to be elitist with no supercar trying bend the definition. I'll will say for the modified Z06 is a SUPERCAR by definition. The ZR1 is as well! About 10k in simple mods in the Z06 and most other Supercars are toast. Not really caring what those in the cheap seats think!