2300 TVS Heartbeat!
03-02-2018, 11:57 AM
#61
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Hate to say it but the Manual is even slower on roll races. I mostly do the same"So Dangerous BLA BLA" type of racing that you do and have always had quite a advantage of the Manual's. Not to mention if you go over to YouTube and watch the C7 Z street races, the auto's are also quicker with whatever setup each different person has. It all has to do with the Auto having a advantage in Torque Multiplication and always being in the main part of the Z's powerband; thus giving it a advantage of being in a higher average horsepower part of the powerband.
For example take say 4k-6500k RPM's and get an average horsepower number. And then take say the average horsepower of a RPM range of 5300k-6500k. Obliviously the later will have a much higher average #.
For example take say 4k-6500k RPM's and get an average horsepower number. And then take say the average horsepower of a RPM range of 5300k-6500k. Obliviously the later will have a much higher average #.
1. Manual puts down more power.
2. The manual can be held right at the perfect gear and RPM for any start better focused right on power band good luck with A8 on that.
3. The A8 is faster from dead stop starts. NOT roll races!
4. No torgue multiplication from rolling starts. It is not helping.
Drag strip is plenty dangerous as well . Middle of "no where" roll races are not unsafe. Only stupid people race in traffic.
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 03-02-2018 at 12:03 PM.
03-02-2018, 12:31 PM
#62
Burning Brakes
Ah, last time I checked I could hold the A8 in any gear up to when the limiter kicked in.
Plus it can be shifted way faster than your manual.
Win, Win.
Another bonus is if you bungle a shift it's over in the manual.
2 identically prepped cars.....my guess is the A8 will come out on top.
The manual might make more HP to the tire, but it's not going to matter in a roll race.
Plus it can be shifted way faster than your manual.
Win, Win.
Another bonus is if you bungle a shift it's over in the manual.
2 identically prepped cars.....my guess is the A8 will come out on top.
The manual might make more HP to the tire, but it's not going to matter in a roll race.
03-02-2018, 05:22 PM
#63
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Ah, last time I checked I could hold the A8 in any gear up to when the limiter kicked in.
Plus it can be shifted way faster than your manual.
Win, Win.
Another bonus is if you bungle a shift it's over in the manual.
2 identically prepped cars.....my guess is the A8 will come out on top.
The manual might make more HP to the tire, but it's not going to matter in a roll race.
Plus it can be shifted way faster than your manual.
Win, Win.
Another bonus is if you bungle a shift it's over in the manual.
2 identically prepped cars.....my guess is the A8 will come out on top.
The manual might make more HP to the tire, but it's not going to matter in a roll race.
One member even timed the runs between the A8 and M7 both and the M7 wins. The A8 has the low gears for the dead start thus the better 60ft and the early lead. Start of any race is the most important you accelerate faster in first than any gear and the A8 has the superior low.
Hp to the ground is the answer and the A8 has more drive losses from the same power plant.
Holding gear means you better put it drive or your toast a manual shifted A8 is slower!
I will also find which one is heavier I'm going the same scales I used to weigh my M7 I think the Auto weighs more. I will find out for sure.
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 03-02-2018 at 05:42 PM.
03-02-2018, 05:44 PM
#64
Burning Brakes
You seem to assume a great deal, but have no facts to back up your claims.
By your own admission, the A8 has the superior torque multiplication that somehow magically disappears once the car is moving.
My observation is you can't seem to make up your mind.
By your own admission, the A8 has the superior torque multiplication that somehow magically disappears once the car is moving.
My observation is you can't seem to make up your mind.
03-02-2018, 07:26 PM
#65
Le Mans Master
Doctor appointments.
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03-03-2018, 06:49 PM
#68
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Just saying what I read here no reason to lie I love both cars and have no bias.
I also am not spending time to dig up the thread but it is here he measured time to speed on both cars once moving. Rolling starts. Moving does too thing it reduced the 60ft and low gear advantage from the A8.
You know as well as I about the 60ft it goes down your trap speed goes up and your 1/4 time goes down by near 2-1.
03-03-2018, 06:54 PM
#69
Drifting
Dyno queen? No such thing on an Lt4 if it makes power on the dyno it should be good. All my Corvette's before were.
The M7 is lousy 1/4 mile car too tall of 1st gear. Where the A8 is going to 60ft much better. Seems like you know if you 60ft is only a 1.9
I already know yours is an M7. Mine with 636rwhp goes 132.XX @ 10.89 on that 1.9 60ft! If it dyno's more it will be faster!
The M7 is lousy 1/4 mile car too tall of 1st gear. Where the A8 is going to 60ft much better. Seems like you know if you 60ft is only a 1.9
I already know yours is an M7. Mine with 636rwhp goes 132.XX @ 10.89 on that 1.9 60ft! If it dyno's more it will be faster!
I have the dyno numbers with my setup you are shooting for with the 2300 with the stock blower by doing upper/lower, E and meth. I have 690/725 in over 100 degree outdoor heat at 1800 ft elev. There are a lot of cars making big dyno numbers but when but to the test can't translate it to the track/street.
I am really wanting to know how your numbers work out but until I see enough of the 2300s in use, I am going to hold off. I know your 2300 will make boost easier than over spinning the stock blower like I do. Your heat issues won't need to be dealt with like mine.
03-03-2018, 07:17 PM
#70
I have to correct you, when you say mine is a M7. It's an A8. My best on stock rubber is a 1.9 60'. It is also a function on the track prep. Tucson has a history of a poor track surface so that has to be factored in.
I have the dyno numbers with my setup you are shooting for with the 2300 with the stock blower by doing upper/lower, E and meth. I have 690/725 in over 100 degree outdoor heat at 1800 ft elev. There are a lot of cars making big dyno numbers but when but to the test can't translate it to the track/street.
I am really wanting to know how your numbers work out but until I see enough of the 2300s in use, I am going to hold off. I know your 2300 will make boost easier than over spinning the stock blower like I do. Your heat issues won't need to be dealt with like mine.
I have the dyno numbers with my setup you are shooting for with the 2300 with the stock blower by doing upper/lower, E and meth. I have 690/725 in over 100 degree outdoor heat at 1800 ft elev. There are a lot of cars making big dyno numbers but when but to the test can't translate it to the track/street.
I am really wanting to know how your numbers work out but until I see enough of the 2300s in use, I am going to hold off. I know your 2300 will make boost easier than over spinning the stock blower like I do. Your heat issues won't need to be dealt with like mine.
03-03-2018, 07:54 PM
#71
03-04-2018, 12:25 PM
#73
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Thread Starter
I have to correct you, when you say mine is a M7. It's an A8. My best on stock rubber is a 1.9 60'. It is also a function on the track prep. Tucson has a history of a poor track surface so that has to be factored in.
I have the dyno numbers with my setup you are shooting for with the 2300 with the stock blower by doing upper/lower, E and meth. I have 690/725 in over 100 degree outdoor heat at 1800 ft elev. There are a lot of cars making big dyno numbers but when but to the test can't translate it to the track/street.
I am really wanting to know how your numbers work out but until I see enough of the 2300s in use, I am going to hold off. I know your 2300 will make boost easier than over spinning the stock blower like I do. Your heat issues won't need to be dealt with like mine.
I have the dyno numbers with my setup you are shooting for with the 2300 with the stock blower by doing upper/lower, E and meth. I have 690/725 in over 100 degree outdoor heat at 1800 ft elev. There are a lot of cars making big dyno numbers but when but to the test can't translate it to the track/street.
I am really wanting to know how your numbers work out but until I see enough of the 2300s in use, I am going to hold off. I know your 2300 will make boost easier than over spinning the stock blower like I do. Your heat issues won't need to be dealt with like mine.
Oh yes! I also received the flu free of charge a few days before!
Ready to start installing in the next few days!
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 03-04-2018 at 12:27 PM.
03-04-2018, 12:37 PM
#74
Drifting
The 1.89 is the best for my M7. Must be a track issue. How about the rest of the slip?
Not looking for too big! But a nice package and factory look. I'll take the PD's any day over the centri's! I already had 3 Corvette's and added centri kit's. Been there done that! I rather go PD and this Heartbeat.
Oh yes! I also received the flu free of charge a few days before!
Ready to start installing in the next few days!
Not looking for too big! But a nice package and factory look. I'll take the PD's any day over the centri's! I already had 3 Corvette's and added centri kit's. Been there done that! I rather go PD and this Heartbeat.
Oh yes! I also received the flu free of charge a few days before!
Ready to start installing in the next few days!
03-04-2018, 01:06 PM
#75
Drifting
"Not looking for too big! But a nice package and factory look. I'll take the PD's any day over the centri's! I already had 3 Corvette's and added centri kit's. Been there done that! I rather go PD and this Heartbeat."
I agree with above. Like the semi-factory look and the low end TQ of the PD. For street use, hard to beat it. I spoke with CPR about this set up and with my lower pulley installed Joe was going to have to change the upper to keep the RPMs in check. What do you think your total costs, parts/labor are going to be with this?
Keep us posted of the performance on the street. Good luck
I agree with above. Like the semi-factory look and the low end TQ of the PD. For street use, hard to beat it. I spoke with CPR about this set up and with my lower pulley installed Joe was going to have to change the upper to keep the RPMs in check. What do you think your total costs, parts/labor are going to be with this?
Keep us posted of the performance on the street. Good luck
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03-04-2018, 01:15 PM
#77
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They must have wasn't me. I sure they have a few of these out and know where they need clearance. Much nicer than the stock 1740.
03-04-2018, 01:27 PM
#78
Team Owner
Thread Starter
"Not looking for too big! But a nice package and factory look. I'll take the PD's any day over the centri's! I already had 3 Corvette's and added centri kit's. Been there done that! I rather go PD and this Heartbeat."
I agree with above. Like the semi-factory look and the low end TQ of the PD. For street use, hard to beat it. I spoke with CPR about this set up and with my lower pulley installed Joe was going to have to change the upper to keep the RPMs in check. What do you think your total costs, parts/labor are going to be with this?
Keep us posted of the performance on the street. Good luck
I agree with above. Like the semi-factory look and the low end TQ of the PD. For street use, hard to beat it. I spoke with CPR about this set up and with my lower pulley installed Joe was going to have to change the upper to keep the RPMs in check. What do you think your total costs, parts/labor are going to be with this?
Keep us posted of the performance on the street. Good luck
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 03-04-2018 at 01:28 PM.
03-05-2018, 04:32 AM
#80
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