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Old 03-23-2018, 12:26 PM
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With Factory tires on stock rims I don't think they are going to spin.
The ones that are not factory.
Old 03-23-2018, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by irok
for about $30. if you install rim locks on yours wheels your tires will never spin on your rims and bugger up your balance.even 400rwhp with a sticky tire will cause your tires to spin on the rim on street or track.383vett is correct
I thought I read the hot Camaro came with rim locks? But good idea here.
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Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1
So I assume the old drag racer bit of screwing the bead to the rim is not the hot ticket?
only if you don't want your tires to spin on wheel
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I have always heard that putting screws into non-beadlock tires/radials is a no-no..
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Originally Posted by FYREANT
I have always heard that putting screws into non-beadlock tires/radials is a no-no..
Why?
Old 03-24-2018, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DOOKEY
Why?
Because this can happen:





Also here is some good reading on this page. Read the part towards the bottom for “excessive rim slip” : http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/t...eel-assemblies

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Old 03-24-2018, 12:10 PM
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People have been using rim screws forever in all kinds of tires. The MT recommendations are a liability concern for people who don't install them properly.

The pictures of failures are the result of not getting the screws into the tire completely and/or having them on a heavier (>2400 lbs) real drag car that achieve near one second 60 ft times (certainly not any near stock/actual Corvette road car).

This is exactly why the NHRA requires bead lock wheels on those classes that run these times such as Pro Stock and the really fast drag radial classes you see in high level no/minimal track prep racing.

If you choose to run screws check that they are not unscrewing themselves before each race. They do come loose and need periodic tightening.

Are beadlocks a better tire slippage solution?
Yes but they both cost and weigh a lot compared to screws.
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Originally Posted by ronsc1985
People have been using rim screws forever in all kinds of tires. The MT recommendations are a liability concern for people who don't install them properly.

The pictures of failures are the result of not getting the screws into the tire completely and/or having them on a heavier (>2400 lbs) real drag car that achieve near one second 60 ft times (certainly not any near stock/actual Corvette road car).

This is exactly why the NHRA requires bead lock wheels on those classes that run these times such as Pro Stock and the really fast drag radial classes you see in high level no/minimal track prep racing.

If you choose to run screws check that they are not unscrewing themselves before each race. They do come loose and need periodic tightening.

Are beadlocks a better tire slippage solution?
Yes but they both cost and weigh a lot compared to screws.
I don’t disagree with you, I’m sure its a liability thing. Still kinda scares me though. Specially since I am about 3400 lbs with 900+ rwhp.
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Originally Posted by rikhek
What process did you use to remove it?
Wire brush and/or scotchbrite wheel on a drill along with care and patience.
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Originally Posted by FYREANT
I don’t disagree with you, I’m sure its a liability thing. Still kinda scares me though. Specially since I am about 3400 lbs with 900+ rwhp.
I have used the Moroso rim locks on two 3,500 lb street cars with MT's and M&H's for over 30 years without any issue's
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Originally Posted by irok
I have used the Moroso rim locks on two 3,500 lb street cars with MT's and M&H's for over 30 years without any issue's
Good to know! So it may just be incorrect installation that causes issues.
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Originally Posted by FYREANT
Good to know! So it may just be incorrect installation that causes issues.
you never know what some people will do to save $30. some one in that picture may have saved $30. and used a short self tapping screw?

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Originally Posted by irok
you never know what some people will do to save $30. some one in that picture may have saved $30. and used a short self tapping screw?
Perhaps so. Its enough to make me consider beadlocks rather than rim screws though. Lol
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That doesn't even appear to be a sports car style tire. It is taller than the bed of the truck it is sitting in.

Looks to me like they screwed from the outside and ripped it all to hell. Not from the bottom of the bead like you are supposed to.
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Originally Posted by FYREANT
Perhaps so. Its enough to make me consider beadlocks rather than rim screws though. Lol
Don't really know what they did to that tire.it doesn't take a lot to get them to not spin on rim



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