More rust under driver seat-2018 Z06, 718 miles.
06-12-2018, 11:58 AM
#61
That explains that terrible price you paid for your Z06. Welcome to the DMV sadly. Sorry you cant get out of it like you want.
06-12-2018, 12:26 PM
#62
XX
I would be pissed also if mines looked like that and I knew water never entered under my ownership. Like I said there is more to this story that is missing, you also need to understand you can be on the losing end of this as they can deny warranty if they determine that you were at fault. Common sense used if humidity was a factor, both seat frames use identical material in fabrication. Having said that shouldn't both sides have the same symptoms of corrosion, seems it's not the case here. There is missing info on this one, common sense also says the corrosion was not there during the build of the car since the front bolt trim cap has rust stain on it.
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06-12-2018, 12:30 PM
#63
Safety Car
First, I wouldn't stress over this. If it is just a seat bottom and they are taking care of that for you. However, I, like you, would probably pay some adjuster/flood expert a couple of hundred dollars to go over the car carefully to make sure there is not other unseen water damage.
That $200 will go a long way to keeping you from worrying. If he finds something than you have some information to go back to GM with. Right now all you know if that you have problems with a seat frame and you are getting a new one soon under warranty. But as you remember, seeing nothing but this picture you posted in the other thread, my first thought was flood damage. Given that there is no problem on the other side, it was likely not flood damage, but an expert will know where else to look. Also can't hurt to pull a carfax on the vin.
That $200 will go a long way to keeping you from worrying. If he finds something than you have some information to go back to GM with. Right now all you know if that you have problems with a seat frame and you are getting a new one soon under warranty. But as you remember, seeing nothing but this picture you posted in the other thread, my first thought was flood damage. Given that there is no problem on the other side, it was likely not flood damage, but an expert will know where else to look. Also can't hurt to pull a carfax on the vin.
06-12-2018, 12:51 PM
#64
XX
First, I wouldn't stress over this. If it is just a seat bottom and they are taking care of that for you. However, I, like you, would probably pay some adjuster/flood expert a couple of hundred dollars to go over the car carefully to make sure there is not other unseen water damage.
That $200 will go a long way to keeping you from worrying. If he finds something than you have some information to go back to GM with. Right now all you know if that you have problems with a seat frame and you are getting a new one soon under warranty. But as you remember, seeing nothing but this picture you posted in the other thread, my first thought was flood damage. Given that there is no problem on the other side, it was likely not flood damage, but an expert will know where else to look. Also can't hurt to pull a carfax on the vin.
That $200 will go a long way to keeping you from worrying. If he finds something than you have some information to go back to GM with. Right now all you know if that you have problems with a seat frame and you are getting a new one soon under warranty. But as you remember, seeing nothing but this picture you posted in the other thread, my first thought was flood damage. Given that there is no problem on the other side, it was likely not flood damage, but an expert will know where else to look. Also can't hurt to pull a carfax on the vin.
Get a 3rd party inspection before you go back to the dealership. This is a guessing game with unknown facts, the only known fact is that side of the car had a water intrusion.
06-12-2018, 02:31 PM
#65
Melting Slicks
How do you know GM didn't leave the seat outside before it was installed.
06-12-2018, 02:41 PM
#66
XX
I would be pissed also if mines looked like that and I knew water never entered under my ownership. Like I said there is more to this story that is missing, you also need to understand you can be on the losing end of this as they can deny warranty if they determine that you were at fault. Common sense used if humidity was a factor, both seat frames use identical material in fabrication. Having said that shouldn't both sides have the same symptoms of corrosion, seems it's not the case here. There is missing info on this one, common sense also says the corrosion was not there during the build of the car since the front bolt trim cap has rust stain on it.
06-12-2018, 02:44 PM
#67
Melting Slicks
The fading of the motor is what makes me think it sat outside. Maybe the seat was soaked then put in the car.
Last edited by djnice; 06-12-2018 at 02:45 PM.
06-12-2018, 03:24 PM
#68
lol. I'm using common sense. Uncoated bare steel will get a coating of surface rust from the atmosphere. Parts that are not seen and not exposed to the elements... unless you're standing on your head are typically bare steel. Otherwise costs would be even higher. Yep, all 7of my cars look like ****, but that doesn't take away from the fact that you spent too much, know it, and have buyers remorse because of it and that's causing you to nitpick the car.
06-12-2018, 04:29 PM
#69
Melting Slicks
Let me add some facts to this pissing contest.
After reading way too much of this thread I got out a flashlight and looked under the drivers seat of my 2017 Z06.
1. For the parts I could see i.e. the tracks, motors and associated hardware there is no rust.
2. Most all the above parts have a coating on them which looks like gray/black paint. The hardware looks like there is some kind of coating applied to the metal (zinc phosphate, zinc etc.)
The point of the above is there is no way rust would be present unless something ate through the applied coatings. Temporary immersion, non condensing humidity etc. would have a hard time causing the oxidation described by the OP.
After reading way too much of this thread I got out a flashlight and looked under the drivers seat of my 2017 Z06.
1. For the parts I could see i.e. the tracks, motors and associated hardware there is no rust.
2. Most all the above parts have a coating on them which looks like gray/black paint. The hardware looks like there is some kind of coating applied to the metal (zinc phosphate, zinc etc.)
The point of the above is there is no way rust would be present unless something ate through the applied coatings. Temporary immersion, non condensing humidity etc. would have a hard time causing the oxidation described by the OP.
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06-12-2018, 05:11 PM
#70
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Maybe someone pissed them self during a test drive.
As for the aluminum and plastic rusting, don't worry, won't happen. Rust refers to iron and steel corrosion.
As for the aluminum and plastic rusting, don't worry, won't happen. Rust refers to iron and steel corrosion.
06-12-2018, 05:14 PM
#71
XX
Let me add some facts to this pissing contest.
After reading way too much of this thread I got out a flashlight and looked under the drivers seat of my 2017 Z06.
1. For the parts I could see i.e. the tracks, motors and associated hardware there is no rust.
2. Most all the above parts have a coating on them which looks like gray/black paint. The hardware looks like there is some kind of coating applied to the metal (zinc phosphate, zinc etc.)
The point of the above is there is no way rust would be present unless something ate through the applied coatings. Temporary immersion, non condensing humidity etc. would have a hard time causing the oxidation described by the OP.
After reading way too much of this thread I got out a flashlight and looked under the drivers seat of my 2017 Z06.
1. For the parts I could see i.e. the tracks, motors and associated hardware there is no rust.
2. Most all the above parts have a coating on them which looks like gray/black paint. The hardware looks like there is some kind of coating applied to the metal (zinc phosphate, zinc etc.)
The point of the above is there is no way rust would be present unless something ate through the applied coatings. Temporary immersion, non condensing humidity etc. would have a hard time causing the oxidation described by the OP.
here is a pic a seat from the flooded c6 I bought, the flood happened in August 17 and I picked up the car late Nov. 17 . This is 3 months after the flood with the seats and carpet still wet from the window being down. Not the best quality but one that I found quickly. Not near the corrosion seen in his pic.
Last edited by XX; 06-12-2018 at 05:15 PM.
06-12-2018, 05:38 PM
#72
lol. I'm using common sense. Uncoated bare steel will get a coating of surface rust from the atmosphere. Parts that are not seen and not exposed to the elements... unless you're standing on your head are typically bare steel. Otherwise costs would be even higher. Yep, all 7of my cars look like ****, but that doesn't take away from the fact that you spent too much, know it, and have buyers remorse because of it and that's causing you to nitpick the car.
If you look at the photo well you can see the rust pattern emanates from higher up in the seat components and flows down to the lower seat components. This is exactly what it looks like when someone spills coke or soft drinks with high acid content and it isn't cleaned off or washed down and diluted enough to stop corrosion. Any OEM engineer is going to tell you this.
So the question is who spilled the drink? And how does one prove it was done before one purchased the car? Probably cant conclude either way so hopefully some compromise between the dealer and the owner can be made.
All this nonsense about GM build quality and the factory not being up to standards and careless is silly. GM build quality and factory management is just as good as any in the industry. All OEMs have nitnoid quality issues. For every 1 person on the net belly aching there are probably 1000 satisfied customers that haven't had any issues.
All isnt gleam and glitter, but the sky isn't falling either.
06-12-2018, 05:40 PM
#73
here is a pic a seat from the flooded c6 I bought, the flood happened in August 17 and I picked up the car late Nov. 17 . This is 3 months after the flood with the seats and carpet still wet from the window being down. Not the best quality but one that I found quickly. Not near the corrosion seen in his pic.If its soda or some other acidic liquid you get the OP's result.
Last edited by dar02081961; 06-12-2018 at 05:43 PM.
06-12-2018, 05:41 PM
#74
OP - don't get upset on what other's are saying about your being picky or having buyers remorse. As I too would take this to the dealer for replacement because there is way too much corrosion on this seat frame even if the car was 15 years old.
Please let us know how this was resolved.
Please let us know how this was resolved.
06-12-2018, 05:54 PM
#75
OP - don't get upset on what other's are saying about your being picky or having buyers remorse. As I too would take this to the dealer for replacement because there is way too much corrosion on this seat frame even if the car was 15 years old.
Please let us know how this was resolved.
Please let us know how this was resolved.
Not trying to argue just trying to add balance the conversation.
The make up of the metal contents (percentages of and types of metal) are known by the seat manufacturer (Lear I believe and GM). Therefore weather they share the information with you and I or not they can take one look at this and tell you what the metal had to be exposed to and for how long. Now lets all process that thought for a moment.
The material these seat mechanisms are made from do not as produced and coated corrode to this degree under normal conditions.
Therefore this was the result of an accident. Expecting the OEM to cover you a 100% for a seat spill is going to be tough.
The best you can hope for is a compromise and some professional courtesy.
06-12-2018, 08:34 PM
#76
They would like me to come in and have the whole seat frame, nuts bolts and all motors and hatdware. I have a 10 yr/100,000 mile warrenty factory extended. But I suggested i want a GM representative there before they install. They want me to come in and address this issue.
06-12-2018, 08:36 PM
#77
I never even considered a unopened bottle of water in this Z06 let alone a damn soda.
06-12-2018, 09:14 PM
#79
Safety Car
Sounds like the dealer is going to get it fixed for you. Can't do better than that. I never try and get to upset about problems. It is how people address the problem that i care about. And it sounds like your Dealer has your back. Keep us posted.
06-12-2018, 09:37 PM
#80
Burning Brakes
lol. I'm using common sense. Uncoated bare steel will get a coating of surface rust from the atmosphere. Parts that are not seen and not exposed to the elements... unless you're standing on your head are typically bare steel. Otherwise costs would be even higher. Yep, all 7of my cars look like ****, but that doesn't take away from the fact that you spent too much, know it, and have buyers remorse because of it and that's causing you to nitpick the car.
I would nit pick as you call it because not one single part of the car should be rusting. Yes I said that, not one single part. I don't mean bolts on the outside and under the car. Certainly not one single interior part should be rusting and not on a brand new vehicle.
It hasn't been brought up but if there are different metals in contact with each other, they most certainly have to be coated to avoid galvanic corrosion which degrades metal strength, not something you want with a seat.