Vararam Intake claims 60 RWHP, any real world results?
10-10-2018, 06:54 PM
#201
I read some of the recent post on this thread.
Can someone tell me what the argument is about?
Can someone tell me what the argument is about?
Last edited by dar02081961; 10-10-2018 at 06:54 PM.
10-12-2018, 12:51 PM
#202
Racer
Basically what it boiled down to was one particular individual was bashing/talking down to a Vendor who has been on this forum for 15+ years, they were stating that the Vendor didn't know what they were doing or understood how our cars work.
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10-12-2018, 01:25 PM
#203
Race Director
And hopefully he'll be gone for a while. His act was getting old bashing other vendors as well.
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10-14-2018, 01:45 PM
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Eagerly waiting to see who these big Forun Vendors are that Hess is speaking about. I've been on here nearly 20 years and have dealt with quite a few of them and all but one have been excellent.
Regarding intakes, I'd love to see some real world comparisons between Vararam and Halltech. Seems you can't go wrong with either.
Regarding intakes, I'd love to see some real world comparisons between Vararam and Halltech. Seems you can't go wrong with either.
10-27-2018, 02:37 AM
#207
Racer
The fact that you and every industry expert we have encountered along the way as we took on this project, also shares the same point of view that you just expressed above, is why we believe what we have discovered is new and not public domain knowledge yet.
You have proven that, to the best of your knowledge, what we have is patentable. So has everyone else we spoke to about "existing" technology.
As for the claims that Mike and I are the same person, I find it astounding that so many people are against the reality of the p0106 code's existence and its intended purpose, and thus, its importance to the stock GM C7Z06 tune in conjunction with adding aftermarket parts which flow additional air, more so than the stock components do, so much, that if any 2 people on this forum agree p0106 is a real pressure limit code and still exists on a vehicle after the GM reflash for the 17-18 as indeed an obstacle in making more power on the stock tune, that you all seem to jump to the conclusion that any and all of those user accounts which agree on this point, must all be Mike.
We look forward to your claims that Mike took over one of your top vendor's corvette forum accounts when that vendor also confirms our discoveries and begins to market the solution we are currently testing and producing.
It clearly demonstrates how many people here do not understand p0106 in the least.
This will be our last post here until the unveiling of what we have discovered and the solution our team has come up with. As said before, we are aligned with, in our opinion, the best and most innovative vendor on this forum in the realm of adding safe additional power to your vehicles. Our purpose of posting here originally, was genuinely to assist VaraRam come out with a great product, the intent was not to out-do them. But they rubbed someone wrong, and as VaraRam put it many times, they do not need any of our help and are apparently miles beyond all of us... and have "proprietary designs", even while, this indicates a filed patent, and if their patent was filed, they would have no negative repercussions for sharing their proprietary design or ideas on an open forum.
Thus, simple logic says that one or the other is not indeed a true statement on their behalf.
There comes a point where someone decided it is no longer logical to assist vendors or individuals understand the solution and give it to them for free, when all they do is mock him as he attempts to help and solve an obstacle that hinders all of our goals. His intent now I believe is... you will pay he and his team for the solution.
Have a good one everyone.
I bid you all good luck in learning how your corvettes function. This is my last post here.
You have proven that, to the best of your knowledge, what we have is patentable. So has everyone else we spoke to about "existing" technology.
As for the claims that Mike and I are the same person, I find it astounding that so many people are against the reality of the p0106 code's existence and its intended purpose, and thus, its importance to the stock GM C7Z06 tune in conjunction with adding aftermarket parts which flow additional air, more so than the stock components do, so much, that if any 2 people on this forum agree p0106 is a real pressure limit code and still exists on a vehicle after the GM reflash for the 17-18 as indeed an obstacle in making more power on the stock tune, that you all seem to jump to the conclusion that any and all of those user accounts which agree on this point, must all be Mike.
We look forward to your claims that Mike took over one of your top vendor's corvette forum accounts when that vendor also confirms our discoveries and begins to market the solution we are currently testing and producing.
It clearly demonstrates how many people here do not understand p0106 in the least.
This will be our last post here until the unveiling of what we have discovered and the solution our team has come up with. As said before, we are aligned with, in our opinion, the best and most innovative vendor on this forum in the realm of adding safe additional power to your vehicles. Our purpose of posting here originally, was genuinely to assist VaraRam come out with a great product, the intent was not to out-do them. But they rubbed someone wrong, and as VaraRam put it many times, they do not need any of our help and are apparently miles beyond all of us... and have "proprietary designs", even while, this indicates a filed patent, and if their patent was filed, they would have no negative repercussions for sharing their proprietary design or ideas on an open forum.
Thus, simple logic says that one or the other is not indeed a true statement on their behalf.
There comes a point where someone decided it is no longer logical to assist vendors or individuals understand the solution and give it to them for free, when all they do is mock him as he attempts to help and solve an obstacle that hinders all of our goals. His intent now I believe is... you will pay he and his team for the solution.
Have a good one everyone.
I bid you all good luck in learning how your corvettes function. This is my last post here.
10-27-2018, 02:56 AM
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10-27-2018, 08:15 AM
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I agree man. I want an intake so good that I am forced to tune. I wouldn't care if the only option for the warranty guys was a drop in k&n. But at the end of the day, there are already cai's on the market that don't trip anything so that's covered. Now if they would just make one for all out performance with no compromise!
10-27-2018, 11:46 AM
#210
#1. The only dyno chart is for an LT-1 car "NOT" an LT-4 car.
#2.What makes anyone think that an airflow restriction is all that is going on in an intake systems design? That is simply not how its done .
#3. We are gaining over 1.5 lbs of BOOST on LT-4 cars or should we say the system is giving it back through restriction reduction , reduced thermal transfer and proper induction tuning.
That's on ALL LT-4 cars, Camaro included!
#4 "Quality" Read the other posts on this forum on the TCR-7 for the LT-1. Head and shoulders above anything anyone else has ever done by using precision injection molding.
#5 There will be a guaranteed HP gain for the product or we will take it back! ( TBA)
Hope this helps give you an idea of the real world gains you are going to see on the road.
VR tech
#2.What makes anyone think that an airflow restriction is all that is going on in an intake systems design? That is simply not how its done .
#3. We are gaining over 1.5 lbs of BOOST on LT-4 cars or should we say the system is giving it back through restriction reduction , reduced thermal transfer and proper induction tuning.
That's on ALL LT-4 cars, Camaro included!
#4 "Quality" Read the other posts on this forum on the TCR-7 for the LT-1. Head and shoulders above anything anyone else has ever done by using precision injection molding.
#5 There will be a guaranteed HP gain for the product or we will take it back! ( TBA)
Hope this helps give you an idea of the real world gains you are going to see on the road.
VR tech
11-01-2018, 03:04 AM
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12-08-2018, 09:13 AM
#214
Supporting Vendor
Injection Mold Tooling is in our facility now. The Gen6 ZL-1 Camaro tools arrived first and are already set up in the CNC's to get their final Machining. Once completed we will do the same to the Z-06 tools.
Our Engineer is at PRI today meeting with Racing Brass on future projects ,so hopefully I was able to answer your question.
VR Staff
Our Engineer is at PRI today meeting with Racing Brass on future projects ,so hopefully I was able to answer your question.
VR Staff
12-08-2018, 04:20 PM
#215
Drifting
I currently hold 2 stock bottom end C6 naturally aspirated records that are from 2012 and 2013. Why no one has broke these records is a mystery to me!
My ls2 convertible went 10.16 ET and my C6Z went 9.46 ET. Both were stock bottom end engines with GM heads and factory intakes that were ported
I had a Vararam on each of those. Obviously the C6 Vararams performed as told!
I currently have a 2016 C7Z that has headers and hi flo cats ONLY. It runs 10.5s with no tune.. exhaust only.
Vararam I will be willing to be your example. You guys gave me the unit that was on my C6Z that went 9.46. Go ahead and send me one
out for my C7Z and I will try to make you proud.
BTW I had a set of your Vararam headers on my C6Z as well!!
Get a hold of me if you want to do this.
Norm
My ls2 convertible went 10.16 ET and my C6Z went 9.46 ET. Both were stock bottom end engines with GM heads and factory intakes that were ported
I had a Vararam on each of those. Obviously the C6 Vararams performed as told!
I currently have a 2016 C7Z that has headers and hi flo cats ONLY. It runs 10.5s with no tune.. exhaust only.
Vararam I will be willing to be your example. You guys gave me the unit that was on my C6Z that went 9.46. Go ahead and send me one
out for my C7Z and I will try to make you proud.
BTW I had a set of your Vararam headers on my C6Z as well!!
Get a hold of me if you want to do this.
Norm
12-08-2018, 06:06 PM
#216
Le Mans Master
Dont hold your breath, after more than 4 months and countless claims that none of them has been backed up with proof, im going AFe again for my 19!!
I doubt it will even go in production at this point!! Where 3z06zr1 to tell us how halltech is much better anyway!!??
I doubt it will even go in production at this point!! Where 3z06zr1 to tell us how halltech is much better anyway!!??
12-09-2018, 12:02 AM
#217
Drifting
This silliness has been dragging on for SIX MONTHS.
Put up back to back dyno runs without any tuning to prove the supposed gain... or it's coming from the rear of a bull....
Put up back to back dyno runs without any tuning to prove the supposed gain... or it's coming from the rear of a bull....
12-09-2018, 01:42 PM
#218
Supporting Vendor
I currently hold 2 stock bottom end C6 naturally aspirated records that are from 2012 and 2013. Why no one has broke these records is a mystery to me!
My ls2 convertible went 10.16 ET and my C6Z went 9.46 ET. Both were stock bottom end engines with GM heads and factory intakes that were ported
I had a Vararam on each of those. Obviously the C6 Vararams performed as told!
I currently have a 2016 C7Z that has headers and hi flo cats ONLY. It runs 10.5s with no tune.. exhaust only.
Vararam I will be willing to be your example. You guys gave me the unit that was on my C6Z that went 9.46. Go ahead and send me one
out for my C7Z and I will try to make you proud.
BTW I had a set of your Vararam headers on my C6Z as well!!
Get a hold of me if you want to do this.
Norm
My ls2 convertible went 10.16 ET and my C6Z went 9.46 ET. Both were stock bottom end engines with GM heads and factory intakes that were ported
I had a Vararam on each of those. Obviously the C6 Vararams performed as told!
I currently have a 2016 C7Z that has headers and hi flo cats ONLY. It runs 10.5s with no tune.. exhaust only.
Vararam I will be willing to be your example. You guys gave me the unit that was on my C6Z that went 9.46. Go ahead and send me one
out for my C7Z and I will try to make you proud.
BTW I had a set of your Vararam headers on my C6Z as well!!
Get a hold of me if you want to do this.
Norm
PM Is in bound
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12-09-2018, 02:25 PM
#219
Safety Car
12-09-2018, 02:38 PM
#220
Supporting Vendor
When the system is released you will have what you are looking for.
Now as far as systems go ,if you want something that flows over 200CFM less than the system we will be releasing for the C7Z then that is your choice.
The two systems you mentioned in your post in our tests flowed within 1% of each other! YES, that's ONE PERCENT .
They offer as little as 5-6% flow improvement over OEM stock .
The stock system, in some cases ,will flow the same or outflow and outperform them with nothing more than a drop in high flow filter.
Not exactly inspiring .
What we do see is allot of MAF manipulation, "tricking the ECM" . This tunes up the car = more power but very little actual flow increase. Some people see power gains and others don't or worse , they loose power.
When we release the product as we always do , we will have data Logs , track tests ,road tests and video from multiple cars from stock to modified .
It will be very educational for many Modern LT-4 owners, not just Z-06 Corvette owners.
The product will be guaranteed to perform as all Vararam products are and have been for 18yrs.
Patience will pay off for many .
VR tech
Now as far as systems go ,if you want something that flows over 200CFM less than the system we will be releasing for the C7Z then that is your choice.
The two systems you mentioned in your post in our tests flowed within 1% of each other! YES, that's ONE PERCENT .
They offer as little as 5-6% flow improvement over OEM stock .
The stock system, in some cases ,will flow the same or outflow and outperform them with nothing more than a drop in high flow filter.
Not exactly inspiring .
What we do see is allot of MAF manipulation, "tricking the ECM" . This tunes up the car = more power but very little actual flow increase. Some people see power gains and others don't or worse , they loose power.
When we release the product as we always do , we will have data Logs , track tests ,road tests and video from multiple cars from stock to modified .
It will be very educational for many Modern LT-4 owners, not just Z-06 Corvette owners.
The product will be guaranteed to perform as all Vararam products are and have been for 18yrs.
Patience will pay off for many .
VR tech
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