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Old 06-14-2018, 10:20 AM
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Default Vararam Intake claims 60 RWHP, any real world results?

Just saw this, did a search here but couldn't find anything.....http://www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/e...-tcr-7-intake/
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The guys at Vararam told me the same thing 3 weeks ago when I called about the intake.Can't wait for it to come out.
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60rwhp.....intake alone? .....nope.
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That seems to be a lot of rwhp for a CAI...
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The weird part about this dyno chart is that the 'after' is higher all along the curve. If it was eliminating an airflow restriction you'd expect the low flow regions (low rpm) to be unchanged and the high flow (high rpm) to have a big change.
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60 RWHP gain?


That's about 2 1/2-3 tenths in the quarter mile.


Show me and then I'd buy it.


I don't drive around on a dyno, track results is what counts.
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60rwhp.....intake alone? .....nope.

Come on mannnnn' we all know that a good coat o wax yeilds atleast 11-15hp , don't be soo skeptical lmao

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Sure hope it's made better than the one I installed on my C6 about 10 years ago - I was not impressed with the build quality...
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Sure hope it's made better than the one I installed on my C6 about 10 years ago - I was not impressed with the build quality...
Same experience here on my 08 C6. Lousy quality in the sealing around filter top. Latches would not stay locked and seal (skinny piece of foam) around housing for filter came off in first month. Will never buy another product from this company. As for the 60 RWHP claim, that's ridiculous. In my experience every vendor HP claim for CAI's and or ram air intakes are inflated. Not saying they don't work just that the claims are exaggerated. I threw my C6 Vararam system in the garbage can after they refused to address the build problems.

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Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1 View Post
The weird part about this dyno chart is that the 'after' is higher all along the curve. If it was eliminating an airflow restriction you'd expect the low flow regions (low rpm) to be unchanged and the high flow (high rpm) to have a big change.
Exactly, the after numbers are skewed across the board, indicating that a test parameter was altered (they cheated)

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Exactly, the after numbers are skewed across the board, indicating that a test parameter was altered (they cheated)

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Not going to argue their HP claim, sounds a bit high to me as well.

However what you and Dave state is fairly true for a NA engines power curve. But It isn't necessarily true for a boosted engines response to lower restriction and increased flow.

Yes on a NA engine increased airflow Less (restriction) alone would probably only show up in the upper rpm areas where flow restriction limited the NA engine. (the engine isn't getting enough air and extra flow relieves this starvation)

On a boosted engine the lower restriction or (increased airflow) is put to use long before the engine actually "starves" for air. The reduction in pumping loss and the subsequent increase in available airflow to the supercharger or turbocharger allows them to spool quicker (due to consuming less hp from parasitic drag) and or compress more air (produce more boost) earlier in the power band.

The supercharger/turbocharger engine will benefit from additional airflow over a much wider area than a similar NA engine. Not only do you get the benefit of cooler air you get the benefit of more boost from a CAI on a supercharged engine. So the 10 or 15hp we expect from a CAI on a intake restricted NA engine, can easily turn into a good bit more on a boosted engine depending on how much boost is gained. Just food for thought.

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Originally Posted by JHEBERT View Post
Exactly, the after numbers are skewed across the board, indicating that a test parameter was altered (they cheated)

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#1. The only dyno chart is for an LT-1 car "NOT" an LT-4 car.
#2.What makes anyone think that an airflow restriction is all that is going on in an intake systems design? That is simply not how its done .
#3. We are gaining over 1.5 lbs of BOOST on LT-4 cars or should we say the system is giving it back through restriction reduction , reduced thermal transfer and proper induction tuning.
That's on ALL LT-4 cars, Camaro included!
#4 "Quality" Read the other posts on this forum on the TCR-7 for the LT-1. Head and shoulders above anything anyone else has ever done by using precision injection molding.
#5 There will be a guaranteed HP gain for the product or we will take it back! ( TBA)

Hope this helps give you an idea of the real world gains you are going to see on the road.

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Any dyno charts for Z06's?
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Looking forward to this, I had a positive experience with the Vararam on my C5Z. Can you give an idea of when it will be available? Also, do you think this will work without a tune if I already have a Borla Xpipe and Mamo TB?
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Originally Posted by Awarz06 View Post
Any dyno charts for Z06's?
SHORT ANSWER: Dyno charts will be coming when its released.

Important note INFO / Longer answer-
DYNO charts don't show you the real world results for the LT-4's
example : LT-4 Blower IAT temps heat soak up +27-40 deg ABOVE what they read from the MAF IAT's when on the road at WOT and in normal driving . This VS only 0-7 deg with the Vararam unit. That's a 2-3% gain in power that will never show on a dyno .
This excessive heat soak leads to pulled timing , lower MAP pressures and lower cam timing etc... . In other words, the dyno means nothing to you. That is ,Unless your going to drive your car with the hood open with the engine at an optimal 177 deg operating temp , with the blower nice and cold with a fan blowing to make "one glory pull"
That is truly a world of make believe ! I do not know about anyone else, but I do not live and drive my Corvette in that world.

We engineer our units for Dynamic operation , that is, real world gains .
That being said ,we made sure the system dyno-ed higher than our competition by sizable margins , but its what we have created "ON THE ROAD" that is truly untouchable and will transform your driving experience.

Example: We add timing wile others pull timing , We add boost wile they add little to zero when compared to factory ! It's just a different world with a Vararam unit.
This goes for the LT-4 Camaro guys too! Heck they are more detuned than the Z-06's !

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Originally Posted by VaraRam Industries View Post
SHORT ANSWER: Dyno charts will be coming when its released.

Important note INFO / Longer answer-
DYNO charts don't show you the real world results for the LT-4's
example : LT-4 Blower IAT temps heat soak up +27-40 deg ABOVE what they read from the MAF IAT's when on the road at WOT and in normal driving . This VS only 0-7 deg with the Vararam unit. That's a 2-3% gain in power that will never show on a dyno .
This excessive heat soak leads to pulled timing , lower MAP pressures and lower cam timing etc... . In other words, the dyno means nothing to you. That is ,Unless your going to drive your car with the hood open with the engine at an optimal 177 deg operating temp , with the blower nice and cold with a fan blowing to make "one glory pull"
That is truly a world of make believe ! I do not know about anyone else, but I do not live and drive my Corvette in that world.

We engineer our units for Dynamic operation , that is, real world gains .
That being said ,we made sure the system dyno-ed higher than our competition by sizable margins , but its what we have created "ON THE ROAD" that is truly untouchable and will transform your driving experience.

Example: We add timing wile others pull timing , We add boost wile they add little to zero when compared to factory ! It's just a different world with a Vararam unit.
This goes for the LT-4 Camaro guys too! Heck they are more detuned than the Z-06's !

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Adding timing? So you're doing a tune along with the intake?

You guarantee a HP gain or money back -- how much of a gain will you guarantee? Claiming 60 -- will you guarantee 30 without a tune?
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Would be interested in seeing pics of the filter. Does it have a larger surface area than the factory? It appears to be longer than my factory??? Maybe dimensions for comparison.
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Originally Posted by db2xpert View Post
Adding timing? So you're doing a tune along with the intake?
Play on words I'm sure. They are claiming to allow for more timing by not having timing pulled due to high temps.

VaraRam - You guys are still pulling air from the same location as almost everyone else on the market and have the same basic shape going into the TB as everyone else. How are you able to claim twice the gains and more boost than any other CIA on the market with a very similar design?

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Claiming 60 hp for any air intake is a blow job...



The intakes are usually worth a few tenths and maybe 2 or 3 mph in the quarter mile....because they drop air intake temperatures...

60 hp is a crazy claim and they should be ashamed of themselves for telling you such a thing...

Ps cool air intakes are usually not worth much on a dyno but rather on the road or drag strip allow cooler air into the engine and that’s most of their gain.

Just be aware it might void your warranty with a dealership that is hard nosed. Most aren’t that ridiculous but a few are.
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You guarantee a HP gain or money back -- how much of a gain will you guarantee? Claiming 60 -- will you guarantee 30 without a tune?[/QUOTE]

Exactly--The devil is in the details for any guarantee. Not trying to be difficult here. There are plenty of people who swear by you're product I just happen not to be one of them. When I called back in 2013 to try and get a resolution to the problems I was having with the Vararam system on my 2008 Corvette you guys promised to get back to me. After repeated calls no one called back or offered to address the problems with the latches or sealing around the filter. It will be interesting to see the details of the HP and satisfaction guarantee you offer on this new system. My experience was you guys wouldn't even warranty a obvious quality problem with the latches staying latched and the seal around the filter. I am happy that some if not most of you're customers are happy with your products. Based on that experience I had I won't be taking another chance with you guys on my 2016 ZO6.

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