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Old 07-17-2018, 11:22 PM
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That's awesome. Any details on the build / dyno sheet from the turbo Z? Also, might be an odd question but I'm curious about what mpg you get with the turbo.
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Old 07-17-2018, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MP&RPZ06
Road racing on a track you cant beat the SC.
Straight line racing or top mph Turbo all the way!
You said it right there... Class dismissed! Pack it in, Wrap it up, Close it down!
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Originally Posted by wildgoat
That's awesome. Any details on the build / dyno sheet from the turbo Z? Also, might be an odd question but I'm curious about what mpg you get with the turbo.
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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1
No doubt turbo is the way to go for big power. Your statement Because there is no replacement for displacement makes no sense. The Turbo is not increasing any engine displacement. The trouble with the Turbo on the C7 Z06 is under heat and room. I don't think the build your talking is practical at all. FORGET it for a daily driver. Where the Heartbeat evens gives back 23-24 mpg driving 85 mph. Stock feel with 800 hp
plus the cool packaging. AT less cost!
Your statement makes no sense, I never once said "no replacement for displacement". I said there IS replacement for displacement. Meaning you don't have to make your engine bigger to make more power, you can add turbos to make more power.
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Costs aside, I think a turbo could make a better daily driver with better fuel economy (parasitic loss vs. supercharger) and less heat concerns than a supercharger sitting in between the heads. Granted, I don't think it would be as fun without the explosive torque down low.
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Going turbo lends itself to easier tuning, in my opinion, but a real street car/Corvette is more fun to drive with a PD blower. I've owned both and prefer a roots style for my boost needs.
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SC guy here. I prefer the linear power, zero lag and torque that a supercharger provides. I know turbos can be made to do the same though. If I was looking for a dedicated 1/4 mile setup, turbo would be the way to go. As a daily or track car though, the instant power of the blower is tough to beat IMO.
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Originally Posted by Thomasmoto
Going turbo lends itself to easier tuning, in my opinion, but a real street car/Corvette is more fun to drive with a PD blower. I've owned both and prefer a roots style for my boost needs.
Can you share more about the "easier tuning" for a turbo? I'm sure this in itself can be an entirely separate thread, but since we're here . I'm a Corvette Chick "car sponge" right now... finally able to get more engine bay and techi-chat depth under my fingernails... What is your experience with the tuning variances and what platform was used? (HPT, EFI, etc.) Thanks for the feedback
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Learning a lot from everyone's input They definitely each have their pros & cons, depending on HOW you drive/enjoy the vehicle & WHAT you want out the vehicle for performance.
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I would go turbo everytime, downside is sound of exhaust, only one I can think of. THe tuning ability to control boost, wastegate on the fly is an amazing feature. Boost control by gear to allow for full traction.to act as a traction control would help immensely with our cars 720s uses this and it works wonders. Better mpg, less weight, broader powerband, I could go on and on. The instant tq is awesome with our PD blowers but there comes a point where it’s unusable because there’s so much then your left feathering the throttle. Most high end cars that are twin turbo and v8 have almost zero lag, not sure about a single turbo but that little bit of lag allows for traction at times. Now it isn’t as much fun, but with the toe in throttle delay our cars have I feel that’s just as bad as turbo lag though lol.
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Originally Posted by spoolin98
Your statement makes no sense, I never once said "no replacement for displacement". I said there IS replacement for displacement. Meaning you don't have to make your engine bigger to make more power, you can add turbos to make more power.
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Originally Posted by Ltrain925
I would go turbo everytime, downside is sound of exhaust, only one I can think of. THe tuning ability to control boost, wastegate on the fly is an amazing feature. Boost control by gear to allow for full traction.to act as a traction control would help immensely with our cars 720s uses this and it works wonders. Better mpg, less weight, broader powerband, I could go on and on. The instant tq is awesome with our PD blowers but there comes a point where it’s unusable because there’s so much then your left feathering the throttle. Most high end cars that are twin turbo and v8 have almost zero lag, not sure about a single turbo but that little bit of lag allows for traction at times. Now it isn’t as much fun, but with the toe in throttle delay our cars have I feel that’s just as bad as turbo lag though lol.
720 is 4 wheel drive dude! Huge advantage!
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YES you DID!
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Originally Posted by M M Alexander
I’m a “turbo” guy in that I’ve placed a hair dryer (or two) on over 10 different vehicles over the years.
My daily driver Sierra has a 78/75 making over 600 hp/tq.
BUT ... Corvettes just by design, don’t lend themselves well to turbocharging. An overwhelming majority of the “kits” I see for them are atrocious in appearance/fit and the numbers/performance presented aren’t any better than the SC kits offered. Centri kits are priced well, install easily, fit/finish is almost factory in appearance and they perform great.
As I said to start I’m a “turbo” guy ... BUT never in a Vette.
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Originally Posted by MP&RPZ06
Road racing on a track you cant beat the SC.
Straight line racing or top mph Turbo all the way!
Agreed. I can tell you this is my first single turbo car and I will never have another PD car. Too much TQ down low on launch and dies up top. Car now basically pulls from hit to quit and with the GFB GFII electronic boost controller I can make this 11 fin 80mm to whatever I want. I can make full boost by 2k RPM, although I wont because it is just too much. I can also hold boost steady at all levels. It feels like the difference between a mustang and a vette really.......just a different car.

Now the fact that we made 842whp/780wtq on the STOCK low side LT4 fuel pump with FULL E85 tells you clearly that the Turbo is much more efficient than a blower. Oh and I get 24mpg on full E85 on the highway. Keep in mind that power was with a manual boost controller that I could not adjust quickly with 17psi slipping to 15psi through the run. We did lose low side pressure at around 5900RPM. Had we not lost low side car would have carried well over 900whp on STOCK cam/heads/low side pump


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Originally Posted by wildgoat
That's awesome. Any details on the build / dyno sheet from the turbo Z? Also, might be an odd question but I'm curious about what mpg you get with the turbo.
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Originally Posted by NicD
I'm a huge turbo guy but I won't put one on my C7Z. For what I use this car for I much prefer the instant torque that is available everywhere and don't want the heat generation in the engine bay. Hell even for my C6Z project that should make around 1300 rwhp I'm going to be running an F1X/glide setup because I can't package a set of turbos in the engine bay that won't stick out of the hood, or have the exhaust dump out of the fenders and melt everything in sight. Corvettes just don't lend themselves well to big power turbo setups without the obvious downsides. Everybody already knows the upsides of a turbo setup vs a supercharger.
Digital measurements of engine bay between our 2017 Z with stock blower/pulley and 2016 Z with EV950 package is 7 degrees average. I am cool with that. Now keep in mind I opted to wrap my hot side rather than ceramic coat, but it is what it is. Oil and coolant run same as before with stock blower on the 16 Z

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Originally Posted by spoolin98
I've always been a turbo guy, so I'm a partial. Heat is a form of energy. Therefore, the heat exiting the rear of your vehicle is wasted energy. A turbo uses that wasted energy to make more power. Its a win/win situation. IMO, nothing beats the sound of a turbo spooling.
The turbo is an ingenious design. The combinations of turbo setups are endless, there is always something for your needs. I know some will say "but turbo's have lag", with the proper setup you can almost eliminate lag. Not to mention, lag can help you depending on your setup.

A supercharger uses power from the motor to make more power. It works, but its not as efficient as a turbo.

They both have their pros and cons. To me, turbos are far superior.

This is my first supercharged vehicle, please try and convince me that a supercharger is superior. All I think about is twin turbo'ing my Z.
No need to create extra heat with two turbos. This 11 fin single with GFB EBC will do whatever you want it to. Spool up is NOT an issue with the control the GForce II provides
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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1
If were taking all things considered. 1. Goal of 800 hp 2. Pump gas 3. ease of install 4. Cost
Assuming we are talking the Z06. In my book the 673 rwhp on pump gas which is about 30 rwhp more than the ZR1. Plus puts in it a lighter weight car.
esp 1lz. Mods are Halltech intake, Tony Mamo PTB, Heartbeat 2300, ARH 2inch with cats. About 8800 total in cost
Plus to my surprise to runs cooler than stock

Looks good man. Glad you are happy. Here is 840whp only turning to 5900RPM and without an electronic boost controller to ramp up quicker..........for $9999. You can do the math Oh and install and tune for under $2K


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