Car and Driver says save your $32,210 unless you want one more foot of braking LOL!
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Car and Driver says save your $32,210 unless you want one more foot of braking LOL!
Latest issue of Car and Driver has C7 ZR1 vs 911GT2RS but what is interesting the most to us Z06 guys is what they had to say about comparing the ZR1 VS Z06 in the article. Read and Enjoy!
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No you didn't!!!! Another mag had the Z06 stopping shorter and doing better on the skid pad The cost is far more to upgrade when comparing to a discounted z06. The The Z06 2019 I want is to get is about 72,550 after discounts
2019 ZR1 1lz 128 or more so 55k plus there.
Then I already owned a 2015 Z06 so to go to two cars and add to the garage a 2017 last year was less than 70k
Not welcome news to some!
No you didn't!!!! Another mag had the Z06 stopping shorter and doing better on the skid pad The cost is far more to upgrade when comparing to a discounted z06. The The Z06 2019 I want is to get is about 72,550 after discounts
2019 ZR1 1lz 128 or more so 55k plus there.
Then I already owned a 2015 Z06 so to go to two cars and add to the garage a 2017 last year was less than 70k
Not welcome news to some!
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No you didn't!!!! Another mag had the Z06 stopping shorter and doing better on the skid pad The cost is far more to upgrade when comparing to a discounted z06. The The Z06 2019 I want is to get is about 72,550 after discounts
2019 ZR1 128 or more so 55k plus there.
Then I already owned a 2015 Z06 so to go to two cars and add to the garage a 2017 last year was less than 70k
Not welcome news to some!
2019 ZR1 128 or more so 55k plus there.
Then I already owned a 2015 Z06 so to go to two cars and add to the garage a 2017 last year was less than 70k
Not welcome news to some!
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They really didn't do much of a test. I think ZR1 performance will show in speed through turns which the slalom test really doesn't tell you how well the car will go through a turn at higher speeds. I can see a ZR1 having more grip through high speed turns like the uphill Esses at both VIR and Watkins Glen. The extra aero will permit higher speeds through those areas and the car has the engine to power through the extra drag. At the Glen the extra grip could add 10 mph through the long down hill Carousel Turn coming out of the bus stop maybe topping 105 mph.
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If they had tested an A8 ZR1 in the quarter, the time should have been at least a half second faster than the M7 they ran for the article.
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They really didn't do much of a test. I think ZR1 performance will show in speed through turns which the slalom test really doesn't tell you how well the car will go through a turn at higher speeds. I can see a ZR1 having more grip through high speed turns like the uphill Esses at both VIR and Watkins Glen. The extra aero will permit higher speeds through those areas and the car has the engine to power through the extra drag. At the Glen the extra grip could add 10 mph through the long down hill Carousel Turn coming out of the bus stop maybe topping 105 mph.
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I haven't had a chance to read the article so I could be speaking out of turn.
Not having read the article I will bet a dollar to a donut the ZR beats em all around most any track.
The other thing is it takes more than a few days seat time to maximize the Z06 and ZR1 M7 acceleration times.
They will never be 10.3 second 1/4 mile cars on street tires. With so much torque they are traction limited.
But once they get rolling they pretty much run with anything in the world that cost less than $500k.
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I agree. This is a thinly disguised way of throwing shade on the ZR1 in favor of the Porsche.
I haven't had a chance to read the article so I could be speaking out of turn.
Not having read the article I will bet a dollar to a donut the ZR beats em all around most any track.
The other thing is it takes more than a few days seat time to maximize the Z06 and ZR1 M7 acceleration times.
They will never be 10.3 second 1/4 mile cars on street tires. With so much torque they are traction limited.
But once they get rolling they pretty much run with anything in the world that cost less than $500k.
I haven't had a chance to read the article so I could be speaking out of turn.
Not having read the article I will bet a dollar to a donut the ZR beats em all around most any track.
The other thing is it takes more than a few days seat time to maximize the Z06 and ZR1 M7 acceleration times.
They will never be 10.3 second 1/4 mile cars on street tires. With so much torque they are traction limited.
But once they get rolling they pretty much run with anything in the world that cost less than $500k.
With the extra weight in the front not helping traction it is harder to move.
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well when I read this I was thinking how long before Dave jumps on this. At least you didn't post it in the ZR1 section! While you're a known ZR1 basher I have to agree with you. To me the Z06 just looks better less crap on it and performs pretty damn well in real world driving. Yes on a roll from 60 to 150 the ZR1 will blow the Z06 away but that is not real world driving to me. I was actually disapointed as a Corvette lover that the ZR1 did not do better in the 1/4 mile. I do think in the track comparisons coming up it will do well but so would the Z06 with the upgraded magnetic ride suspension
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If you bothered to actually read the article, they noted the car was sent with worn tires (Why? I couldn't tell you, but it doesn't surprise me). Either way, stuff like braking, skipped, and acceleration is going to be similar between the 2 cars. The platform is pretty much at it's limit in terms of those performance measures.
The difference is that the ZR1 is multiple seconds quicker on road courses, which is what it was built for. Besides the weight gain, the ZR1 is better in every way, at least in my opinion. It has better aero, cooling, suspension, and an arguably much better supercharger.
Personally I think the ZR1 is worth the price relative to lap times and how it stacks up. Adding all of the stuff the ZR1 has to a Z06 would definitely be more than $30k and you wouldn't have a warranty at the end of the day.
The difference is that the ZR1 is multiple seconds quicker on road courses, which is what it was built for. Besides the weight gain, the ZR1 is better in every way, at least in my opinion. It has better aero, cooling, suspension, and an arguably much better supercharger.
Personally I think the ZR1 is worth the price relative to lap times and how it stacks up. Adding all of the stuff the ZR1 has to a Z06 would definitely be more than $30k and you wouldn't have a warranty at the end of the day.
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Let's all consider the ZR1 the 'fix' that GM was gunning for with the Z06.
The ZR1 is essentially a Z06 that will not overheat and has plenty of cooling to be consistent for track days.
The ZR1 is essentially a Z06 that will not overheat and has plenty of cooling to be consistent for track days.
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well when I read this I was thinking how long before Dave jumps on this. At least you didn't post it in the ZR1 section! While you're a known ZR1 basher I have to agree with you. To me the Z06 just looks better less crap on it and performs pretty damn well in real world driving. Yes on a roll from 60 to 150 the ZR1 will blow the Z06 away but that is not real world driving to me. I was actually disapointed as a Corvette lover that the ZR1 did not do better in the 1/4 mile. I do think in the track comparisons coming up it will do well but so would the Z06 with the upgraded magnetic ride suspension
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If you take a look at footage of the ZR1 and Z06 record laps and compare them, the cornering speeds are practically identical. I think this is what was meant when it was stated back at the Z06 launch, that Corvette is at the performance limits of the current layout. Where the ZR1 does blow the Z06 away is in it's raw power. In my opinion, buying a Z06, bringing it up to ZR1 power levels and increasing it's on-track reliability is a much better value.
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Gotta feel sorry for those who absolutely HAD to buy the ZR1.
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I thought this was great NEWS for us Z06 Stock owners as Car and Driver is stating not much performance for the money to go from a Z06 Factory stock to a ZR1 factory stock . I like the Z06 looks a lot better but I did not know performance figures would be so close between the two!!!!!
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The C/D statement is reflection of opinion, not fact.
Sean has already provided empirical data from VIR showing the ZR1 walking his Z >90MPH at VIR where the additional power most effectively comes into play.
As Bill states, more aero grip in higher speed corners should be a given as well.
And a couple of seconds a lap faster is huge.
Is that enough to justify the upgrade price?
There are none sitting discounted on dealer floors.
At least not yet.
I seriously doubt anyone that purchased a ZR1 is regretting their decision based upon this article. Every single post here from owners is positive.
Sean has already provided empirical data from VIR showing the ZR1 walking his Z >90MPH at VIR where the additional power most effectively comes into play.
As Bill states, more aero grip in higher speed corners should be a given as well.
And a couple of seconds a lap faster is huge.
Is that enough to justify the upgrade price?
There are none sitting discounted on dealer floors.
At least not yet.
I seriously doubt anyone that purchased a ZR1 is regretting their decision based upon this article. Every single post here from owners is positive.
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The C/D statement is reflection of opinion, not fact.
Sean has already provided empirical data from VIR showing the ZR1 walking his Z >90MPH at VIR where the additional power most effectively comes into play.
As Bill states, more aero grip in higher speed corners should be a given as well.
And a couple of seconds a lap faster is huge.
Is that enough to justify the upgrade price?
There are none sitting discounted on dealer floors.
At least not yet.
I seriously doubt anyone that purchased a ZR1 is regretting their decision based upon this article. Every single post here from owners is positive.
Sean has already provided empirical data from VIR showing the ZR1 walking his Z >90MPH at VIR where the additional power most effectively comes into play.
As Bill states, more aero grip in higher speed corners should be a given as well.
And a couple of seconds a lap faster is huge.
Is that enough to justify the upgrade price?
There are none sitting discounted on dealer floors.
At least not yet.
I seriously doubt anyone that purchased a ZR1 is regretting their decision based upon this article. Every single post here from owners is positive.
If the past is any indication, come next winter/spring, you will see the ZR1's being sold for 15-20% off sticker.
I've said it before, the perfect C7 is a 3100 - 3200 lb 550 - 575HP N/A with Z07 body/tires/brakes/calibration. This combo will do wonders everywhere.
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It's no different than the C6 era. The performance increase is so little, I was never stimulated to "upgrade" from a C6 Z to a C6 ZR-1 and I am not stimulated to make the move from the C7 Z06 to the C7 ZR-1. Now with the mid engine on the horizon, it just doesn't make any sense to me. They have squeezed as much horsepower out of the C7 platform as they can, and they are great cars. The mid engines will be better and will put the power to the ground far better. .
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[QUOTE=Always Red Dave;1597617399]Ted , I honestly don't hate the ZR1 besides the BIG AZZ WING but do like the look of the Z06 ALOT BETTER ! However that being said I do know on a track that is lapped continuously the ZR1 is better suited than a Z06 but street wise they are so close that seems like a no brainer to get a Z06 unless you have the money to blow for HP bragging rights.[/QUOTE
My thoughts exactly 👍🏻 I'll bet most will just sit in garages and make it out to Cars and Coffee. There will be some nice deals in a few years. ]
My thoughts exactly 👍🏻 I'll bet most will just sit in garages and make it out to Cars and Coffee. There will be some nice deals in a few years. ]
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The problem here is none of them are sitting on dealer floors due to hype of a new model. Most of these owners intend to park hard at Cars and Coffee. They will list them for sale when the novelty has worn off. Very very few of them will ever see the track. 2nd owners of the cars may potentially track them.
If the past is any indication, come next winter/spring, you will see the ZR1's being sold for 15-20% off sticker.
I've said it before, the perfect C7 is a 3100 - 3200 lb 550 - 575HP N/A with Z07 body/tires/brakes/calibration. This combo will do wonders everywhere.
If the past is any indication, come next winter/spring, you will see the ZR1's being sold for 15-20% off sticker.
I've said it before, the perfect C7 is a 3100 - 3200 lb 550 - 575HP N/A with Z07 body/tires/brakes/calibration. This combo will do wonders everywhere.