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The 105 hp extra is off set largely by the extra weight on the front of the rear wheel drive and is not getting to the ground. The Z06 has been showing better skid pad and braking results from the lighter weight on the same tires.
Instead of going to the expense of exposed carbon fiber. If they would have used carbon fiber in the doors and front fenders and rear 1/4. Lighten the exhaust system like the 2002 did. Anything to reduce the weight to less than the current Z06 not more.. With there goal of just 755hp they should have
passed on the too tall 2650 which has very very little advantage at the 750-800hp level over 2300 they could have used to keep the traditional low front end and hood lines.
Kept the stock hood and used the LG type cheek coolers much like Porsche GT2 has done.
OP, you've expressed your point about the ZR1 and the Z06 in more than one thread. Let's move on-this argument is getting boring. Besides, you're posting about the ZR1 in the Z06 section.
This comes across as a bitter post and it sounds no better than what most GS Owners say about the Z06. Sometimes you just have to accept the fact that your current Corvette is no longer considered to be the top model.
Poorsha weighed his car (3ZR with the ZTK Package) with a full tank of fuel and AP Racing steel brakes (which are slightly heavier than CCBs) and the difference between his 3LZ Z07 with AP Racing brakes was something like 80 lbs. Considering the larger supercharger, chassis mounted aero, and better cooling, an 80 pound difference isn't bad. It's still heavy, but it's not too bad.
The Z06 stopped from 60 in a foot shorter distance. That's pretty negliable difference. But using basic physics the ZR1 is heavier so it needs more force to come to a stop. Considering the Z07 package cars and the ZR1 use the same brakes, 1 foot of distance isn't bad at all either.
Both are great cars, but I couldn't agree with Rbartick more. You have no reason to justify your purchase, just enjoy your car, who cares if it isn't the top of the line Corvette?
PS: the LG cooling vents look the worst in my opinion. G Speed has the best design, and the ZR1 bumper isn't bad either.
Last edited by four0nefive; 07-30-2018 at 05:22 PM.
If there was a point, I missed it. You are way hung up on the ZR1 being heavier. It also has more power...and more downforce....and pretty much more of everything. I haven't bothered to look it up but I'm guessing you know off the top of your head given your statements - what's the power to weight ratio of a similarly equipped Z06 and ZR1?
This comes across as a bitter post and it sounds no better than what most GS Owners say about the Z06. Sometimes you just have to accept the fact that your current Corvette is no longer considered to be the top model.
Bitter post?? HAHA that's funny stuff! Far from bitter I really enjoy my Corvette's. Why would I be bitter just expressing the fact you add weight and bulk and expect world beater performance which is yet to appear!
Your off base on your GS comment! GS owners should complain it is along ways short on the engine the lt 4 is far superior to the lt1.
Poorsha weighed his car (3ZR with the ZTK Package) with a full tank of fuel and AP Racing steel brakes (which are slightly heavier than CCBs) and the difference between his 3LZ Z07 with AP Racing brakes was something like 80 lbs. Considering the larger supercharger, chassis mounted aero, and better cooling, an 80 pound difference isn't bad. It's still heavy, but it's not too bad.
The Z06 stopped from 60 in a foot shorter distance. That's pretty negliable difference. But using basic physics the ZR1 is heavier so it needs more force to come to a stop. Considering the Z07 package cars and the ZR1 use the same brakes, 1 foot of distance isn't bad at all either.
Both are great cars, but I couldn't agree with Rbartick more. You have no reason to justify your purchase, just enjoy your car, who cares if it isn't the top of the line Corvette?
PS: the LG cooling vents look the worst in my opinion. G Speed has the best design, and the ZR1 bumper isn't bad either.
Who was justifying anything? This just my opinion on what a New ZR1 should have been and adding weight and giving up performance.
Actually it makes sense for guys with Corvette performance in mind buy to by a 1lz. The weight is too much to give away for leather scraps glued to that tend to come off in time. Both my Z06 cars are under 3500 pounds.
My manual is more around 3450 or under. I'm getting some scales ordered. The state scales are not the best source. I'll know for sure soon.
If you came from owning 8-9 Corvette's you know the weight gains well .
The Z06 has been showing better skid pad and braking results from the lighter weight on the same tires.
The low speeds used for braking, 0-60, and skid pad tests do not show the advantages of the aero, or the increased power. The ZR1 is significantly bettering Z06 times, in real track situations. And your tweaked Z06 also doesn't have the cooling advantages of a C7 ZR1, or the factory warranty, both of which will matter a lot to some people.
I don't own a ZR1 either, but still don't feel compelled to put them down for largely meaningless reasons.
Last edited by Warp Factor; 07-30-2018 at 06:08 PM.
This comes across as a bitter post and it sounds no better than what most GS Owners say about the Z06. Sometimes you just have to accept the fact that your current Corvette is no longer considered to be the top model.
Speaking of bitter posts! Your post does seems condescending for no reason. Nothing to do with a GS owner either. I accept thoroughly my choice of purchases with no regrets here.
I looked at the ZR1 decided another Z06 and 85 more acres was a better choice. Boy was it!
The low speeds used for braking, 0-60, and skid pad tests do not show the advantages of the aero, or the increased power. The ZR1 is significantly bettering Z06 times, in real track situations.
I don't own a ZR1 either, but still don't feel compelled to put them down.
You put lots of folks down daily for no reason why would the ZR1 be different? Just like you are now knocking my opinion.
Just think GM went the wrong way adding so much bulk to the car. Increased power is really wasted with increased weight. The ZR1 needs to long straights to shine.
They didn't make weight a priority it seems where they could have.
Poorsha weighed his car (3ZR with the ZTK Package) with a full tank of fuel and AP Racing steel brakes (which are slightly heavier than CCBs) and the difference between his 3LZ Z07 with AP Racing brakes was something like 80 lbs. Considering the larger supercharger, chassis mounted aero, and better cooling, an 80 pound difference isn't bad. It's still heavy, but it's not too bad.
The Z06 stopped from 60 in a foot shorter distance. That's pretty negliable difference. But using basic physics the ZR1 is heavier so it needs more force to come to a stop. Considering the Z07 package cars and the ZR1 use the same brakes, 1 foot of distance isn't bad at all either.
Both are great cars, but I couldn't agree with Rbartick more. You have no reason to justify your purchase, just enjoy your car, who cares if it isn't the top of the line Corvette?
PS: the LG cooling vents look the worst in my opinion. G Speed has the best design, and the ZR1 bumper isn't bad either.
The Zr1 would be better faster on all fronts if it was lighter and less bulk your helping prove my point.
This comes across as a bitter post and it sounds no better than what most GS Owners say about the Z06. Sometimes you just have to accept the fact that your current Corvette is no longer considered to be the top model.
You can't teach a pig to sing. All it does is get you muddy and pisses off the pig.
The 2018 C7 Z06 weighs in at 3,582 pounds, with 650 HP. That's a HP to weight ration of 5.51:1
The 2018 C7 ZR1 weighs in at 3,671 poinds, with 755 HP. That's a HP to weight ratio of 4.86:1
The ZR1 has a horsepower to weight increase of almost 9% (8.82 to be exact).
Put another way, the ZR1 weighs 2.5% more, but has 16% more horsepower.
The 2018 C7 Z06 weighs in at 3,582 pounds, with 650 HP. That's a HP to weight ration of 5.51:1
The 2018 C7 ZR1 weighs in at 3,671 poinds, with 755 HP. That's a HP to weight ratio of 4.86:1
The ZR1 has a horsepower to weight increase of almost 9% (8.82 to be exact).
Put another way, the ZR1 weighs 2.5% more, but has 16% more horsepower.
Again, what am I missing?
A lot not better on the brakes or the skid pad due to weight. Your figures mean little the car is not the beast it could have been the added weight is on the front the worst place.
Heavier weight on the same rubber just is not the way to go on a supposed improved sports car. If the weight cut was there it would be better on all measures
Cannot argue those facts My Z06 has a Hp increase to more than a stock ZR1? Plus it is lighter no I will not trade!
The 2018 C7 Z06 weighs in at 3,582 pounds, with 650 HP. That's a HP to weight ration of 5.51:1
The 2018 C7 ZR1 weighs in at 3,671 poinds, with 755 HP. That's a HP to weight ratio of 4.86:1
The ZR1 has a horsepower to weight increase of almost 9% (8.82 to be exact).
Put another way, the ZR1 weighs 2.5% more, but has 16% more horsepower.
Again, what am I missing?
Good, I like a guy who uses math in these discussion/debates!
I think the OP's concern may be more about the results of a recent mag review (C&D?) of the ZR1 vs. Z06 performance numbers.
IIRC, the ZR1 didn't come off as a Giant-Killer when compared to its less expensive cousin.
A lot not better on the brakes or the skid pad due to weight. Your figures mean little the car is not the beast it could have been the added weight is on the front the worst place.
Heavier weight on the same rubber just is not the way to go on a supposed improved sports car. If the weight cut was there it would be better on all measures
Cannot argue those facts My Z06 has a Hp increase to more than a stock ZR1? Plus it is lighter no I will not trade!
Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1
Who was justifying anything? This just my opinion on what a New ZR1 should have been and adding weight and giving up performance.
Actually it makes sense for guys with Corvette performance in mind buy to by a 1lz. The weight is too much to give away for leather scraps glued to that tend to come off in time. Both my Z06 cars are under 3500 pounds.
My manual is more around 3450 or under. I'm getting some scales ordered. The state scales are not the best source. I'll know for sure soon.
If you came from owning 8-9 Corvette's you know the weight gains well .
Skid pad, 0-60, and braking are going to be similar between the cars because the C7 platform is pretty much at it's limit in regards to those performance measures. The ZR1 is much better when it comes to on track performance. It's 2+ seconds faster on every track it's been tested at compared to the Z06. That's a huge difference in regards to lap times.
Skid pad, 0-60, and braking are going to be similar between the cars because the C7 platform is pretty much at it's limit in regards to those performance measures. The ZR1 is much better when it comes to on track performance. It's 2+ seconds faster on every track it's been tested at compared to the Z06. That's a huge difference in regards to lap times.
Not 2 seconds faster at willow springs! But your missing the point it is heavier and more bulk and weight on the front. All added by GM when there was clearly a better way. How about some light weight wheels?
Doubt we will see the ring time sounds like not much there either.
The low speeds used for braking, 0-60, and skid pad tests do not show the advantages of the aero, or the increased power. The ZR1 is significantly bettering Z06 times, in real track situations. And your tweaked Z06 also doesn't have the cooling advantages of a C7 ZR1, or the factory warranty, both of which will matter a lot to some people.
I don't own a ZR1 either, but still don't feel compelled to put them down for largely meaningless reasons.
Warp hit the nail on the head. I have a feeling and it is only that, but as an overall package the ZR1 shines. Just like all other Corvettes, the ZR1 was not designed or built to be a drag/straight line car. The Dodge Demon was. I have not heard a Demon owner talk skid pad numbers or breaking distances at all. Why would they, the car is not built to corner in excess of 1.2g. Corvettes have and will continue to excel on road courses. GM realized the cooling limitations and worked to improve them on the ZR1. Which by reports they were successful. I have no data to support this but I bet the SC on the ZR1 makes it HP more efficiently compared to the 2300 or my overspun factory blower. Making comparisons between a modded car and a factory one is worthless as the unmodified one has built in limitations from the manufacturer and gov't. So saying your 2300 with and intake, headers, etc is better than a ZR1 is silly as you add headers and a CAI to the ZR1 and you will be way behind in HP and performance.
Performance comes in many shapes and forms and the ZR1 took it up a level. While 3Z looks at drag and straight line performance, multiple hard laps on a road course would put the stock Z06 at a disadvantage. Some on the forum look at one "fact" and run with it all the way instead of looking at the whole package.
The stock ZR1 bests the stock Z in almost all categories except price.
07-30-2018, 05:03 PM
New ZR1 went the wrong way!
