Which one is best for road-course track: Z06/Z07 (2017+ calibration) or Z06 w/ DSC?
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Which one is best for road-course track: Z06/Z07 (2017+ calibration) or Z06 w/ DSC?
GM is pretty proud with their calibration improvements, and I'm sure it had a lot to do with the very warm reception of 2017 GS by magazines, since it already came with core of the track calibration. One thing that I am bummed about is that no magazine really put 2017+ Z06 w/Z07 to a similar track test, which also comes with these calibration improvements. More information on this can be found under "Ask Tadge" section here:
My question: Which one do you think would be the better track setup in terms of suspension handling?
(Please ignore CCB brakes difference, since most change it for heavy track use, anyway)
Track Mode
Model(s)
Model(s)
- Grand Sport (FE6) and Z06 (FE6)
- The new track mode is better balanced and response to driver inputs are much more linear near and at the limit of adhesion. With the new Track calibration, the redistribution of the damping in the body, wheel, and handling algorithms makes the car more fluid as it is cornered. The rotation of the car is more precise at initial turn in, and maintains its path through the turn. As the driver rolls into the throttle, vehicle heading is better sustained.
- The new Track calibrations increases driver confidence. This, coupled with the vehicle being better balanced during the cornering maneuvers resulted in an average of a 1 second lap time improvement over the original calibration.
- Revised temperature compensation tables. As the fluid heated up, during long continuous and repeated runs, sometimes over 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit), the damping is effected, not only on an absolute basis, but also the front to rear effecting the balance of the car. New temperature compensation tables were developed to make the balance of the car much more consistent regardless of the damper fluid temperature.
- Grand Sport w/Z07 and Z06 w/Z07
- Both of these foundation Track calibrations are included in 2017 production.
- The foundation calibrations are solid performers as indicated in the Z06 w/Z07 VIR lap times of 1:55.95 on the full course and 2:39.77 on the Grand Course. The lap times for Grand Sport are 1:59 on the Full Course and 2:45 on the Grand Course.
- As explained in the Grand Sport FE6 and Z06 FE6 Track mode paragraph, the new temperature compensation tables are now included in these Track calibrations as part of the Chevrolet Performance offerings and 2019 production.
(Please ignore CCB brakes difference, since most change it for heavy track use, anyway)
- 2017+ M7 Z06 with Z07 (with the updated track magna ride calibration)
- 2017+ M7 Z06 with DSC (and no Z07)
- Stiffer is better in my personal opinion: I have a feeling that Z06 w/Z07 would be the best setup with much stiffer front springs and stiffer-valved shocks, which aligns with my personal preferences on other cars for track use. The rates are 190 N/mm vs 117 N/mm front (Huge increase), and 177 N/mm vs 145 N/mm at the rear. 2:39 at VIR (time provided by GM) also shows quite a bit of improvement. I think this setup would be the most potent setup for a track Corvette (ignoring ZR1).
- ABS / Stability / PTM calibrations: Z07 comes with Cup 2 tires and brakes with very high initial bite, which are very similar to what everyone does at the track. As such, GM must have revised all calibrations of such driver aids, which might mean less chances of ICE mode, PTM allowing more from your tires out of corners, etc. I'm sure it's not Bosch Race ABS, but I'd also hope that the differences in calibrations would improve the experience.
Last edited by X25; 08-16-2018 at 06:58 PM.
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Any opinions?
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I don't think anybody knows. I think some of this will depend on the driver and track. Where the DSC really shines is in the quick transitions, under braking, and getting the power down. In theory, softer springs will give you more range for adjustment as long as the shocks are able to keep up. However, in the end I liked on track my 2017 Z07 with the DSC better than my 2015 Z06 with DSC and was faster in the Z07. Some of that could be driver improvement over time though. I drove a 2015 Z07 without DSC and my 2015 Z06 with DSC on track back to back one time and was amazed at how much better the car felt with DSC. Less pointy and put the power down better.
That said, the suspension tune in my 2019 ZR1 is pretty good and it'll be interesting to see how much the DSC improves on that.
That said, the suspension tune in my 2019 ZR1 is pretty good and it'll be interesting to see how much the DSC improves on that.
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X25 (08-18-2018)
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I don't think these changes were baked into MY 2017.
The dealer performed this update on my 2018 Z06 Z07 which had a build date of 08/17.
I noticed n improvement in touring mode, not so much in track mode.
The dealer performed this update on my 2018 Z06 Z07 which had a build date of 08/17.
I noticed n improvement in touring mode, not so much in track mode.
Last edited by Newton06; 08-18-2018 at 07:04 PM.
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Originally Posted by Newton06
I don't tink these changes were baked into MY 2017.
The dealer performed this update on my 2018 Z06 Z07 which had a build date of 08/17.
I noticed n improvement in touring mode, not so much in track mode.
The dealer performed this update on my 2018 Z06 Z07 which had a build date of 08/17.
I noticed n improvement in touring mode, not so much in track mode.
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A nice thing with the DSC is when you go hard it seems to throw weight to the back on the rear tire. I for sure get better grip than with out the DSC . My 60ft has to be much better. Haven't had the chance to drive it at the track yet.
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Going back, I'm surprised that you didn't really like the 2017 Z07 stock handling, but I also wonder if it has to do with the different character it would have than DSC, since they implement different tuning philosophies and strategies. I would ask the changes in lap times, but I suppose that would be misleading since you were trying to get used to the new car, too.
Thanks for the information! Perhaps the best handling Z06 option is the hybrid approach of Z07 with DSC, which is something I could test if I go ahead and buy one : )
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The 2017 Z06 cars already have the new track calibration except the temp/heat compensation. As such, his comparison should work (Stock 2017 Z07 vs older Z06 with DSC). However, it also brings another point that DSC can also improve Z07 cars, possibly to a position better than both. Previously, I thought DSC as a company only cared about tuning the regular Z06 cars.
Going back, I'm surprised that you didn't really like the 2017 Z07 stock handling, but I also wonder if it has to do with the different character it would have than DSC, since they implement different tuning philosophies and strategies. I would ask the changes in lap times, but I suppose that would be misleading since you were trying to get used to the new car, too.
Thanks for the information! Perhaps the best handling Z06 option is the hybrid approach of Z07 with DSC, which is something I could test if I go ahead and buy one : )
Going back, I'm surprised that you didn't really like the 2017 Z07 stock handling, but I also wonder if it has to do with the different character it would have than DSC, since they implement different tuning philosophies and strategies. I would ask the changes in lap times, but I suppose that would be misleading since you were trying to get used to the new car, too.
Thanks for the information! Perhaps the best handling Z06 option is the hybrid approach of Z07 with DSC, which is something I could test if I go ahead and buy one : )