Considering used Z06. Any visible differences between the 1LZ, 2LZ, and 3LZ?
09-04-2018, 06:03 PM
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09-06-2018, 10:23 PM
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Who buys a sports car for Cadillac appointments? My 1lz has PDR and is my car of choice less weight which is a major consideration, Glued on fake leather scraps that over time come loose.
Plus are worth next to nothing on resale. You can have great car for 70k or you can add every option for the same price if you wait for the left overs that didn't sell.
30k extra or some cheap options? I go with the lighter more dependable car. The memory seats are famous for screwing up.
I rather spend 70k spend another 8800.00 and make a real sports tuner car that will pull away from a ZR1. That weights 3450 instead of 3650.
They load the high priced options that really drop to little to no value at resale when the whole car is the real value. The 1lz is hardly the penalty box. It really is the best choice IMO!
Plus are worth next to nothing on resale. You can have great car for 70k or you can add every option for the same price if you wait for the left overs that didn't sell.
30k extra or some cheap options? I go with the lighter more dependable car. The memory seats are famous for screwing up.
I rather spend 70k spend another 8800.00 and make a real sports tuner car that will pull away from a ZR1. That weights 3450 instead of 3650.
They load the high priced options that really drop to little to no value at resale when the whole car is the real value. The 1lz is hardly the penalty box. It really is the best choice IMO!
Not a lot of weight for the extra luxury of the interior.
Bill
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SoCalFinest (09-07-2018)
09-07-2018, 11:56 AM
#23
No going to argue about which version is poor verse rich. I did 2LZ because I drive my car a ton and this trim level was for me the practical choice.
If you drive a bunch 2LZ is in my opinion the best option because.
1) Parking cameras in the front (2LZ and 3LZ). I have Aero2 and the cameras make parking a breeze. One damaged spoiler and you will wish you had them.
2) Intrusion detection. 2LZ and 3LZ include sensors in the doors to set off the alarm if someone reaches into the car with the alarm set. Drive a ton and have the windows down, roof off or a convertible this is a very nice feature.
3) Vented seats are great in the summer and make a major difference. Especially if the roof is off. (Only 2LZ or 3LZ)
4) Better stereo same on 2LZ or 3LZ
5) PDR and NAV is optional. The NAV sucks and all 2016+ cars have android auto or apple carplay which is a ton better. PDR is nice but not needed if you do not track. (Valet mode is a bonus with PDR) My car has the PDR and NAV but I would not order these features if I ordered a new car. (If you planning on tracking then 100% get the PDR.)
6) 3LZ the leather tends to wrinkle and come apart in the sun. (Mentioned above by others.) It is not an issue with 2LZ cars. I had a friend have a buy back on his 3LZ car after they replaced his dash 3 times. Mine looks brand new still.
7) Homelink is on 2LZ or 3LZ which is nice
8) Memory seats are great if you have multiple drivers. Again available only on 2LZ and 3LZ
9) If you get Comp seats then the leather is the same on the seats for both 2LZ and 3LZ.
If you do plan on driving a ton (1000+ miles a month) I would not do Z07. The tires will wear out quick with many owners replacing them with the factory non Z07 tires. The CC brakes are very expensive to replace or repair if they get damaged or wear out. On the street you will not see any benefit verse the steel brakes.
Just a rotor replacement comparison.
$387.00 for steel rotor
$1620.00 for CC rotor
You can literally do a full brake replacement on a steel car for the cost of a single corner of CC.
End of the day. Get what fits your budget. The car is a ton of fun.
If you drive a bunch 2LZ is in my opinion the best option because.
1) Parking cameras in the front (2LZ and 3LZ). I have Aero2 and the cameras make parking a breeze. One damaged spoiler and you will wish you had them.
2) Intrusion detection. 2LZ and 3LZ include sensors in the doors to set off the alarm if someone reaches into the car with the alarm set. Drive a ton and have the windows down, roof off or a convertible this is a very nice feature.
3) Vented seats are great in the summer and make a major difference. Especially if the roof is off. (Only 2LZ or 3LZ)
4) Better stereo same on 2LZ or 3LZ
5) PDR and NAV is optional. The NAV sucks and all 2016+ cars have android auto or apple carplay which is a ton better. PDR is nice but not needed if you do not track. (Valet mode is a bonus with PDR) My car has the PDR and NAV but I would not order these features if I ordered a new car. (If you planning on tracking then 100% get the PDR.)
6) 3LZ the leather tends to wrinkle and come apart in the sun. (Mentioned above by others.) It is not an issue with 2LZ cars. I had a friend have a buy back on his 3LZ car after they replaced his dash 3 times. Mine looks brand new still.
7) Homelink is on 2LZ or 3LZ which is nice
8) Memory seats are great if you have multiple drivers. Again available only on 2LZ and 3LZ
9) If you get Comp seats then the leather is the same on the seats for both 2LZ and 3LZ.
If you do plan on driving a ton (1000+ miles a month) I would not do Z07. The tires will wear out quick with many owners replacing them with the factory non Z07 tires. The CC brakes are very expensive to replace or repair if they get damaged or wear out. On the street you will not see any benefit verse the steel brakes.
Just a rotor replacement comparison.
$387.00 for steel rotor
$1620.00 for CC rotor
You can literally do a full brake replacement on a steel car for the cost of a single corner of CC.
End of the day. Get what fits your budget. The car is a ton of fun.
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KombatKing (12-04-2018)
09-07-2018, 10:44 PM
#24
Drifting
The 3lz cars don’t weigh that much more, it’s a seat heater, nav kit and a tiny subwoofer...plus 3lz considering it INCLUDED PDR/Nav so your 1lz adding that for $2000 is only a $6000 difference.
Plus I got the car 12% off custom build.
now if you just wanted to strip down and make a track car then of course 1lz but if you want a car that will look as nice as $200k 911 turbo it’s 3lz or bust. If the suede peels that’s a warranty anyways don’t park long term in the heat no car interiors like that. I live in Sacramento California we get to about 110 sometimes and no issues with my interior.
Plus I got the car 12% off custom build.
now if you just wanted to strip down and make a track car then of course 1lz but if you want a car that will look as nice as $200k 911 turbo it’s 3lz or bust. If the suede peels that’s a warranty anyways don’t park long term in the heat no car interiors like that. I live in Sacramento California we get to about 110 sometimes and no issues with my interior.
At the end of the day you just bought an overpriced 3LZ Chevy with poverty brakes built by Gov't Motors.
09-07-2018, 10:59 PM
#25
Racer
09-08-2018, 12:16 AM
#26
Le Mans Master
I just bought a 3LZ and just sold a 1LT Grand Sport, the leather dash and trim is a lot nicer and the extra features are nice but I would have been just as happy with a 2LZ as I only really wanted the heated/cooled comp seats and PDR that my grand sport did not have.
09-08-2018, 10:37 AM
#28
Racer
I don't want to get into the 1lz 2lz 3lz argument. Just want to pass on Waylens has a awesome data performance camera does everything the GM one does and a lot more for anyone that does not have a PDR could be an option.
Last edited by duanesZ06; 09-08-2018 at 10:38 AM.
09-08-2018, 11:27 AM
#29
Drifting
Last edited by Parcival; 09-08-2018 at 11:27 AM.
09-08-2018, 12:38 PM
#31
Race Director
they already tried that.. was a huge expense and the end result was nice when new...not so much down the road... hopefully that changes when our 3LZ's age.. (fingers crossed the leather on the dash stays tucked in lol).
09-08-2018, 12:39 PM
#32
Pro
I own a 1LZ with chrome wheels and Navigation. I recently added carbon fiber side skirts from Katech and they really add to the appearance.
Still deciding about a carbon fiber front splitter from Katech.
What would I like to have: Front cameras.
What is a deal breaker for me: Interior suede. In one season I would have the suede mucked up and would be disappointed forever. Suede seat... suede on the steering wheel. Never (at least for me)!
I owned a 2014 base 2LT with heated seats... never used them.
Memory seats seemed to act up and did not go to where they were suppose to. Probably my fault.
I was disappointed in the 2016 Z06 not being a 2LZ but have concluded that other than the forward camera, for me, it lacks nothing that I need.
(I am currently looking into Curb warning systems to protect any front splitter I may add on)
I have received preliminary approval (from "SHE" who must be obeyed) for (maybe) a ZR1 or C8 in the future. Navigation is a must. Level 2 would be nice, but if it is only available with suede seat inserts and steering wheel, I will likely just "Option Up" a level one if possible.
Still deciding about a carbon fiber front splitter from Katech.
What would I like to have: Front cameras.
What is a deal breaker for me: Interior suede. In one season I would have the suede mucked up and would be disappointed forever. Suede seat... suede on the steering wheel. Never (at least for me)!
I owned a 2014 base 2LT with heated seats... never used them.
Memory seats seemed to act up and did not go to where they were suppose to. Probably my fault.
I was disappointed in the 2016 Z06 not being a 2LZ but have concluded that other than the forward camera, for me, it lacks nothing that I need.
(I am currently looking into Curb warning systems to protect any front splitter I may add on)
I have received preliminary approval (from "SHE" who must be obeyed) for (maybe) a ZR1 or C8 in the future. Navigation is a must. Level 2 would be nice, but if it is only available with suede seat inserts and steering wheel, I will likely just "Option Up" a level one if possible.
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09-10-2018, 03:39 PM
#33
09-11-2018, 01:37 AM
#34
Team Owner
So vinyl seat skins weigh less than leather seating surfaces with vinyl skin on the other parts? How much more does the leather wrapped dash and doors weigh than the vinyl versions? The heated and cooled seats will add somewhere around 10 lbs and the inflatable side bolsters and lumbar support will add another 15 pounds. So the 3LZ will run about 25 pounds more than a 1LZ. How much more do the electronically dimmed mirrors weigh? A few ounces?
Not a lot of weight for the extra luxury of the interior.
Bill
Not a lot of weight for the extra luxury of the interior.
Bill
The electronic mirror and the homelink were both about 120.00 each and take 5 minutes for me add. The comp seats is only option worth paying for.
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 09-11-2018 at 01:40 AM.
09-11-2018, 10:31 AM
#35
the top of the dash will be leather and often a different color on the 3lz and 2lz by the steering wheel. I personally would not buy a 1lz, i love my 3lz
The leather coming off is due to heat in the sunshine.. keep your car under a roof, in the shade, and you wont have the problem. If you do have the problem, i have seen many covered by GM warranty, no issues.
The leather coming off is due to heat in the sunshine.. keep your car under a roof, in the shade, and you wont have the problem. If you do have the problem, i have seen many covered by GM warranty, no issues.
Last edited by Mikec7z; 09-11-2018 at 10:32 AM.
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OINC (06-07-2020)
09-11-2018, 03:13 PM
#36
Team Owner
the top of the dash will be leather and often a different color on the 3lz and 2lz by the steering wheel. I personally would not buy a 1lz, i love my 3lz
The leather coming off is due to heat in the sunshine.. keep your car under a roof, in the shade, and you wont have the problem. If you do have the problem, i have seen many covered by GM warranty, no issues.
The leather coming off is due to heat in the sunshine.. keep your car under a roof, in the shade, and you wont have the problem. If you do have the problem, i have seen many covered by GM warranty, no issues.
IMO Sports cars should weight less not more from fluff that is not needed.
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Mikec7z (09-11-2018)
11-28-2018, 08:53 AM
#37
Intermediate
The glued on leather wrapped dash and interior panels are not good quality material many, many complaint's it will come apart over time esp if you leave it in the sun and the difference in the cars is more than 25 pounds! I'll take the 1lz.
The electronic mirror and the homelink were both about 120.00 each and take 5 minutes for me add. The comp seats is only option worth paying for.
The electronic mirror and the homelink were both about 120.00 each and take 5 minutes for me add. The comp seats is only option worth paying for.
11-28-2018, 01:54 PM
#38
Who buys a sports car for Cadillac appointments? My 1lz has PDR and is my car of choice less weight which is a major consideration, Glued on fake leather scraps that over time come loose.
Plus are worth next to nothing on resale. You can have great car for 70k or you can add every option for the same price if you wait for the left overs that didn't sell.
30k extra or some cheap options? I go with the lighter more dependable car. The memory seats are famous for screwing up.
I rather spend 70k spend another 8800.00 and make a real sports tuner car that will pull away from a ZR1. That weights 3450 instead of 3650.
They load the high priced options that really drop to little to no value at resale when the whole car is the real value. The 1lz is hardly the penalty box. It really is the best choice IMO!
Plus are worth next to nothing on resale. You can have great car for 70k or you can add every option for the same price if you wait for the left overs that didn't sell.
30k extra or some cheap options? I go with the lighter more dependable car. The memory seats are famous for screwing up.
I rather spend 70k spend another 8800.00 and make a real sports tuner car that will pull away from a ZR1. That weights 3450 instead of 3650.
They load the high priced options that really drop to little to no value at resale when the whole car is the real value. The 1lz is hardly the penalty box. It really is the best choice IMO!
11-30-2018, 05:44 PM
#39
Pro
2lz = smart man's vette
3lz = wasting of money doesn't make the car look like $100,000 car !!!!!
11-30-2018, 07:15 PM
#40
So vinyl seat skins weigh less than leather seating surfaces with vinyl skin on the other parts? How much more does the leather wrapped dash and doors weigh than the vinyl versions? The heated and cooled seats will add somewhere around 10 lbs and the inflatable side bolsters and lumbar support will add another 15 pounds. So the 3LZ will run about 25 pounds more than a 1LZ. How much more do the electronically dimmed mirrors weigh? A few ounces?
Not a lot of weight for the extra luxury of the interior.
Bill
Not a lot of weight for the extra luxury of the interior.
Bill