Notices
C7 Z06 Discussion General Z06 Corvette Discussion, LT4 Corvette Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Suspension Setup for Street or Track
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

More miles on the A8 and?

 
Old 09-04-2018, 08:02 PM
  #1  
3 Z06ZR1
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,943
Liked 848 Times in 703 Posts
Default More miles on the A8 and?

I was out today testing the ZR1 TB and normaly I like to just use drive. But today I was using the paddles and not sure if there was a change. But now I have instant shifts from the paddles.
The clic sound is still is the air and it has shifted bang very quick. I was hitting the paddles at 6500 and it was so quick I stayed at 6500 till it dropped till the next quick hit.

The thing was a blast had no idea the thing could hit a gear with the paddle that quick. No delay on the up shift!
Proud of the A8 right now!
3 Z06ZR1 is offline  
The following users liked this post: 3 Z06ZR1
racerx8 (09-04-2018)
Old 09-04-2018, 08:52 PM
  #2  
racerx8
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: MA
Posts: 678
Liked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Default

Nice! And the only change was to the ZR1 TB, nothing to the A8 tune?

Last edited by racerx8; 09-04-2018 at 08:53 PM.
racerx8 is offline  
Old 09-04-2018, 09:06 PM
  #3  
saleen556
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: May 2010
Posts: 2,099
Liked 499 Times in 355 Posts
Default

Itís not the full throttle shifts that are the problem. Itís the ones driving around at 3k and you want to drop a gear quick is the issue. Too much delay. Hopefully the C8 is DCT.
saleen556 is offline  
The following users liked this post: saleen556
RobGZ06 (09-06-2018)
Old 09-06-2018, 12:52 PM
  #4  
ZeeOh6Nut
CF Senior Member
 
ZeeOh6Nut's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2005
Location: Ann Arbor MI
Posts: 808
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by saleen556 View Post
Itís not the full throttle shifts that are the problem. Itís the ones driving around at 3k and you want to drop a gear quick is the issue. Too much delay. Hopefully the C8 is DCT.
Agreed. Full throttle shifts sound and feel amazing while shifts during normal driving.... lack a sense of urgency.
ZeeOh6Nut is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by ZeeOh6Nut:
RobGZ06 (09-06-2018), rogergcam (09-15-2018)
Old 09-06-2018, 01:02 PM
  #5  
Warp Factor
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Warp Factor's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
Posts: 5,264
Liked 682 Times in 466 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by saleen556 View Post
Itís not the full throttle shifts that are the problem. Itís the ones driving around at 3k and you want to drop a gear quick is the issue. Too much delay. Hopefully the C8 is DCT.
What's the shift speed urgency, when just putting around at 3k or so? On a manual, who does bang-shifts at 3K rpm, other than a "play-racer"?
Warp Factor is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 05:44 PM
  #6  
3 Z06ZR1
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,943
Liked 848 Times in 703 Posts
Default

after the
Originally Posted by racerx8 View Post
Nice! And the only change was to the ZR1 TB, nothing to the A8 tune?
I have the Halltech intake installed coupled to the ZR1 95TB. Nothing to the tune! Wasn't sure the first drive or 2 but now after 300 miles or so and a drive this morning the beach. The thing hauls *** and I feel I got a nice gain from adding the 95mmTB.

Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 09-06-2018 at 05:46 PM.
3 Z06ZR1 is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 05:59 PM
  #7  
RobGZ06
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,519
Liked 342 Times in 287 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by saleen556 View Post
Itís not the full throttle shifts that are the problem. Itís the ones driving around at 3k and you want to drop a gear quick is the issue. Too much delay. Hopefully the C8 is DCT.
If GM is smart, they will DEFINITELY put a DCT in a mid engine car. Because if they do some type of variant of the A8, they are going to be in full failure mode LOL
RobGZ06 is online now  
Old 09-06-2018, 06:33 PM
  #8  
3 Z06ZR1
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,943
Liked 848 Times in 703 Posts
Default

one
Originally Posted by RobGZ06 View Post
If GM is smart, they will DEFINITELY put a DCT in a mid engine car. Because if they do some type of variant of the A8, they are going to be in full failure mode LOL
This A8 is pretty nice better than I thought it would be. Takes a while to learn it! When did you drive further than around the block?

Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 09-06-2018 at 06:34 PM.
3 Z06ZR1 is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 06:41 PM
  #9  
3 Z06ZR1
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,943
Liked 848 Times in 703 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by saleen556 View Post
It’s not the full throttle shifts that are the problem. It’s the ones driving around at 3k and you want to drop a gear quick is the issue. Too much delay. Hopefully the C8 is DCT.
Are guys you guys both not M7 owners. I am too but can say the A8 is not the dog it was in the C6. I thought the same way as you but I was all wrong my A8 downshifts quickly and up shifts super quick with paddles or in Drive
Much better than I thought and much better than you guys are thinking too

Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 09-06-2018 at 06:48 PM.
3 Z06ZR1 is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 06:57 PM
  #10  
saleen556
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: May 2010
Posts: 2,099
Liked 499 Times in 355 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1 View Post
Are guys you guys both not M7 owners. I am too but can say the A8 is not the dog it was in the C6. I thought the same way as you but I was all wrong my A8 downshifts quickly and up shifts super quick with paddles or in Drive
Much better than I thought and much better than you guys are thinking too
Yes I have the M7. However a friend has an auto Z06 and Iím not impressed with the transmission. He actually wishes it was an M7 but he got a great deal and compromised. After having my 16 M3 with the DCT it would annoy the hell out of me. When I want to change gears I donít need a computer taking its time to tell me itís okay.
saleen556 is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 07:23 PM
  #11  
Bill Dearborn
Tech Contributor
 
Bill Dearborn's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: Charlotte (formerly Endicott, NY) NC
Posts: 33,014
Liked 3,476 Times in 2,322 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ZeeOh6Nut View Post
Agreed. Full throttle shifts sound and feel amazing while shifts during normal driving.... lack a sense of urgency.
Perfectly described, part throttle tells the car there is a lack of urgency.

Bill
Bill Dearborn is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 07:31 PM
  #12  
RobGZ06
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,519
Liked 342 Times in 287 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by saleen556 View Post


Yes I have the M7. However a friend has an auto Z06 and Iím not impressed with the transmission. He actually wishes it was an M7 but he got a great deal and compromised. After having my 16 M3 with the DCT it would annoy the hell out of me. When I want to change gears I donít need a computer taking its time to tell me itís okay.
Same here. I drove the A8, that's why i can testify to what i been complaining about. Obviously A8 owners will defend what they own. Same with M7 guys. And yes the A8 is "faster" in the 1/4 but that's really it. Oh and i'm sure auto is good in stop and go traffic as well lol.

But it can't upshift quick in ANY other times other than WOT. And downshifts are just non existent. Doesn't matter if you're clicking the downshift paddle in aggressive braking or just slowing down normally on your block, the downshifts are TERRIBLE.

After driving AMG's, hell even a VW has DCT's, you really shake your head that why GM couldn't put a dual clutch at LEAST in the ZR1. It's a performance car, shouldn't it have a proper trans?
RobGZ06 is online now  
Old 09-06-2018, 07:36 PM
  #13  
3 Z06ZR1
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,943
Liked 848 Times in 703 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by saleen556 View Post


Yes I have the M7. However a friend has an auto Z06 and I’m not impressed with the transmission. He actually wishes it was an M7 but he got a great deal and compromised. After having my 16 M3 with the DCT it would annoy the hell out of me. When I want to change gears I don’t need a computer taking its time to tell me it’s okay.
What year does he have? Like I said you really don't know till you drive a few thousand miles on the car. IMO Even an hour drive doesn't clue you in on how to drive for one thing.
Mine shifts quickly even at part throttle much improved over what you are thinking. 16 M3 loses by a country mile to this car! Would not want one after the Z06. I had one!

Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 09-06-2018 at 07:37 PM.
3 Z06ZR1 is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 07:38 PM
  #14  
3 Z06ZR1
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,943
Liked 848 Times in 703 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RobGZ06 View Post
Same here. I drove the A8, that's why i can testify to what i been complaining about. Obviously A8 owners will defend what they own. Same with M7 guys. And yes the A8 is "faster" in the 1/4 but that's really it. Oh and i'm sure auto is good in stop and go traffic as well lol.

But it can't upshift quick in ANY other times other than WOT. And downshifts are just non existent. Doesn't matter if you're clicking the downshift paddle in aggressive braking or just slowing down normally on your block, the downshifts are TERRIBLE.

After driving AMG's, hell even a VW has DCT's, you really shake your head that why GM couldn't put a dual clutch at LEAST in the ZR1. It's a performance car, shouldn't it have a proper trans?
Another one off base! I would let you drive mine nothing like you are saying and are falsely complaining about! Bet you haven't drive one lately or very far. I didn't even think this way till after I drove a lot more. First few times not real impressed but once you figure it out it is pretty slick!

Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 09-06-2018 at 07:41 PM.
3 Z06ZR1 is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 08:20 PM
  #15  
fishpick
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Aug 2018
Location: Crummy NY
Posts: 109
Liked 43 Times in 24 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1 View Post
First few times not real impressed but once you figure it out it is pretty slick!
Iím about to pull the trigger on a M7... can you elaborate on what you figured out - like what made you change from not real impressed to pretty slick?
fishpick is offline  
Old 09-06-2018, 08:54 PM
  #16  
RobGZ06
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,519
Liked 342 Times in 287 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by fishpick View Post

I’m about to pull the trigger on a M7... can you elaborate on what you figured out - like what made you change from not real impressed to pretty slick?

Go to the dealer and drive an A8 FIRST. Pretty confident you'll go home in the M7.

Asking that guy his opinion is basically allowing him to make your decision. Because if you don't do or buy or install EVERYTHING HE'S DONE AND INSTALLED, then you are 100% wrong. It's either his way, his experience, or it never happened nor it can never happen. He lives in his own world.

The A8 is fast. But the paddles are useless (especially for competitive driving) and A8 owners will even admit in order to not overheat, you just leave it in D and not use the paddles. What fun is this auto if you can't even use the paddles? lol

The downshifts are terrible, that is fact. There is no mod, video, nor testimonial that will prove otherwise. The A8 CAN NOT downshift fast. It downshifts like a person who is driving a manual downshifts without heel and toe'ing and using the engine to slow the car down. You know what i mean. That's how slow and sluggish the downshifts are.

Other than that, the A8 is good in traffic though lol

Last edited by RobGZ06; 09-06-2018 at 08:55 PM.
RobGZ06 is online now  
The following users liked this post: RobGZ06
salcolkat (09-07-2018)
Old 09-06-2018, 10:13 PM
  #17  
3 Z06ZR1
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: salem OR
Posts: 20,943
Liked 848 Times in 703 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by fishpick View Post

Iím about to pull the trigger on a M7... can you elaborate on what you figured out - like what made you change from not real impressed to pretty slick?
I have the M7 and it is my first choice but it is not a case of A8 vs M7. It is M7 or A8. Good choice! That said I'm getting a 2019 M7 too to replace my 2015 M7.
So soon it will be the 17 A8 and the 19 M7 both modded to the 800-850 hp range. Sometimes you feel like the M7. Sometimes the A8 is the better choice.

Now getting back to your question. The A8 goes from not too impressed to pretty slick on it's own. The more you drive takes more than around the block. Takes quite a few times diving it before you figure it out then it alsgno figures out your driving as well. If you want a quick gear drop you simply put the pedal down and when it comes up it is in the right gear then you go.
The paddles at full tilt are not like I thought either. when know it does good in drive but the paddles are not the touch, Mississippi ,shift I thought.
The thing clic's and it has shifted before the clic sound is gone BANG, BANG.
3 Z06ZR1 is offline  
Old 09-07-2018, 05:20 AM
  #18  
salcolkat
CF Senior Member
 
salcolkat's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2018
Location: Goldens bridge NY
Posts: 345
Liked 114 Times in 78 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RobGZ06 View Post
Go to the dealer and drive an A8 FIRST. Pretty confident you'll go home in the M7.

Asking that guy his opinion is basically allowing him to make your decision. Because if you don't do or buy or install EVERYTHING HE'S DONE AND INSTALLED, then you are 100% wrong. It's either his way, his experience, or it never happened nor it can never happen. He lives in his own world.

The A8 is fast. But the paddles are useless (especially for competitive driving) and A8 owners will even admit in order to not overheat, you just leave it in D and not use the paddles. What fun is this auto if you can't even use the paddles? lol

The downshifts are terrible, that is fact. There is no mod, video, nor testimonial that will prove otherwise. The A8 CAN NOT downshift fast. It downshifts like a person who is driving a manual downshifts without heel and toe'ing and using the engine to slow the car down. You know what i mean. That's how slow and sluggish the downshifts are.

Other than that, the A8 is good in traffic though lol
Went to the dealer
Test drove A8
Bought M7

salcolkat is offline  
The following users liked this post: salcolkat
RobGZ06 (09-07-2018)
Old 09-07-2018, 05:37 AM
  #19  
Warp Factor
CF Senior Member
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Warp Factor's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
Posts: 5,264
Liked 682 Times in 466 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RobGZ06 View Post

The A8 is fast. But the paddles are useless (especially for competitive driving) and A8 owners will even admit in order to not overheat, you just leave it in D and not use the paddles. What fun is this auto if you can't even use the paddles? lol
You have it backwards. It's leaving in in drive that causes the engine to maintain unnecessarily high revs, contributing to overheating. Paddle shifting is recommended on the track to keep the heat down.

Warp Factor is offline  
Old 09-07-2018, 06:29 AM
  #20  
RobGZ06
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,519
Liked 342 Times in 287 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by salcolkat View Post
Went to the dealer
Test drove A8
Bought M7

lol of course. That's why I said it.

when i was c7 shopping I actually was going to do a deal for a grand sport. But when I got there, only auto grand sports. I was like wtf. This sucks.

2 hours later drove home in a manual z06 lol. That was the best day i had in recent years lol.

cant wait to do the same for the c8. Well if theres a dual clutch I'll be driving home in a dual clutch lol. If not, then I hope for manual!
RobGZ06 is online now  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: More miles on the A8 and?


Sponsored Ads
Vendor Directory

Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: