ZL1 for Z06?
10-03-2018, 11:25 AM
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Only driven my ZL1 200 miles and have not made any hard stops, but 2 things I have noticed thus far.
1.) The Z06s brakes are much more responsive or grabby. It's easy to apply a little more brake pressure than needed and heave yourself forward. The Zl1 brakes are not near as touchy. Not sure which is better, personal preference I guess.
2.) The brake dusting on the ZL1 is far less. I drove the car home 160 miles the last 60 miles was in Dallas traffic, and when I got home I was amazed that the wheels were still clean. My wife can make her 30 mile round trip to work in the Z06 and the black wheels turn brown by the time she gets home. If you get a Z06 and plan on driving it regularly, I would recommend changing the pads. (plenty on threads on this)
So far, I prefer the feel and less wheel cleaning of the ZL1. If you're looking for all out performance, I sure the Z06 brakes are better and less mass to deal with too. Just go the R&T, C&D or MT, I'm sure they have the specs.
1.) The Z06s brakes are much more responsive or grabby. It's easy to apply a little more brake pressure than needed and heave yourself forward. The Zl1 brakes are not near as touchy. Not sure which is better, personal preference I guess.
2.) The brake dusting on the ZL1 is far less. I drove the car home 160 miles the last 60 miles was in Dallas traffic, and when I got home I was amazed that the wheels were still clean. My wife can make her 30 mile round trip to work in the Z06 and the black wheels turn brown by the time she gets home. If you get a Z06 and plan on driving it regularly, I would recommend changing the pads. (plenty on threads on this)
So far, I prefer the feel and less wheel cleaning of the ZL1. If you're looking for all out performance, I sure the Z06 brakes are better and less mass to deal with too. Just go the R&T, C&D or MT, I'm sure they have the specs.
10-03-2018, 07:45 PM
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I just traded my '16 Z06 A8 for a '18 ZL1 A10. Here is the thread I started asking the same thing in reverse. I thought it might be helpful.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...r-a-zl1-2.html
IMO the A8 in the Z06 is a complete let down. At WOT it is fine, but I often find it has a hard time finding the right gear and when playing around in manual mode the shift times are a joke (unless WOT). I have a sierra with the A8 as well and when just messing around, the shift times are very similar. Only driven the ZL1 a couple hundred miles so far, but cannot believe how much better the A10 is over the A8. Camaro rides better and is quiter (I went from Z06 coupe to ZL1 vert so not really a fair comparison). Camaro doesn't scrape on my driveway. Not bashing the Z06 here, I loved it, but it is an uncompromised sports car with a auto trans that leaves something to be desired. I think the Camaro would be more livable as a DD.
As for the targa, it is an easy one man operation, but my wife is 5'3" and she could not do it by herself without possibility of damaging the car. This was the main reason we switched over to the vert as well as being able to put kids in the back seat.
End of the day, I would either enjoy my ZL1 or grab a Z06 with a M7
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...r-a-zl1-2.html
IMO the A8 in the Z06 is a complete let down. At WOT it is fine, but I often find it has a hard time finding the right gear and when playing around in manual mode the shift times are a joke (unless WOT). I have a sierra with the A8 as well and when just messing around, the shift times are very similar. Only driven the ZL1 a couple hundred miles so far, but cannot believe how much better the A10 is over the A8. Camaro rides better and is quiter (I went from Z06 coupe to ZL1 vert so not really a fair comparison). Camaro doesn't scrape on my driveway. Not bashing the Z06 here, I loved it, but it is an uncompromised sports car with a auto trans that leaves something to be desired. I think the Camaro would be more livable as a DD.
As for the targa, it is an easy one man operation, but my wife is 5'3" and she could not do it by herself without possibility of damaging the car. This was the main reason we switched over to the vert as well as being able to put kids in the back seat.
End of the day, I would either enjoy my ZL1 or grab a Z06 with a M7
10-03-2018, 08:21 PM
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The hellcat's ZF trans is a **** ton better than the GM 8 speed lol. Going from the ZF to the A8 is actually a downgrade. Good thing the Z looks better than the hellcat LOL
10-03-2018, 08:35 PM
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Camaro's are muscle cars or pony cars. Comparing them for me is to Mustang or a Challenger / Charger. Those are in a different league. I'll take the Z06 all day over any these when I'm talking sports car which none of the latter are. 1 of a kind American sports car! The Corvette Z06.
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10-03-2018, 09:16 PM
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Also my point was that if it is such a bad transmission compared to others why is it still among the fastest? Which leads back to the question I raised based on the performance fact...how bad can it be?
Personally I like the way my Bimmer 335i 8 speed shifts better, but I always look forward to going WOT in my A8 Z and feeling how nice and quick it shifts from a dig to 5th...then it crawls some as it is in need of another 200 hp or so.
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10-04-2018, 08:54 AM
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To the OP if lap times, 1/4 and 1/2 mile events are your thing, then Z06 all the way. If its just going to be a fun weekend car, I would not spend the extra $$$$ for a Z06 with an auto trans that isn't as fun to drive. Just read reviews, the ZL1 is the better balanced driver's car while the Z06 is a monster, but a handful at the limit.
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10-04-2018, 09:12 AM
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LOL. Then the obvious solution is not to drive a **** box dodge with a good transmission. Historically that is all the Challenger has ever been is an ugly Camaro with a better engine and tranny.
Also my point was that if it is such a bad transmission compared to others why is it still among the fastest? Which leads back to the question I raised based on the performance fact...how bad can it be?
Personally I like the way my Bimmer 335i 8 speed shifts better, but I always look forward to going WOT in my A8 Z and feeling how nice and quick it shifts from a dig to 5th...then it crawls some as it is in need of another 200 hp or so.
Also my point was that if it is such a bad transmission compared to others why is it still among the fastest? Which leads back to the question I raised based on the performance fact...how bad can it be?
Personally I like the way my Bimmer 335i 8 speed shifts better, but I always look forward to going WOT in my A8 Z and feeling how nice and quick it shifts from a dig to 5th...then it crawls some as it is in need of another 200 hp or so.
the reason why I mention the hellcat is because it's the same type of trans as the a8 meaning its not a dual clutch yet the zf upshifts and downshifts faster and is always in the correct gear. Even when not in track.
I really like the way the vw and AMG cars shift. Instantly. Like a video game.
10-04-2018, 09:44 AM
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Trade?
I may consider a trade with you. I have a 2016 Z06 with an M7 torch red with 6,500 miles. I had a 2015 Z51 with an A8 and it was complete garbage. I wanted an automatic so bad on my Z06 but didn't want any issues so I got an M7. However I hear the A10 is bullet proof. Call me at 954-325-7722.
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10-04-2018, 09:55 AM
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If you owned one that is a POS you would talk trash about it also. New torque convertor new flex plate and still junk. I can go on and on and on. I hated it. That's why I have an M7 now.
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10-04-2018, 10:08 AM
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I may consider a trade with you. I have a 2016 Z06 with an M7 torch red with 6,500 miles. I had a 2015 Z51 with an A8 and it was complete garbage. I wanted an automatic so bad on my Z06 but didn't want any issues so I got an M7. However I hear the A10 is bullet proof. Call me at 954-325-7722.
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10-04-2018, 10:13 AM
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10-04-2018, 11:31 AM
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If you are going to buy a C7 ZO6 look for a low mileage used one (plenty of them around). My 2016 auto trans ZO6/ZO7 had 6,200 miles was in perfect condition when I bought it this year and it cost me 63% of the original sticker price. These are great cars and I expect the depreciation will only get worse when the C8 comes out. As far as brakes I can't imagine that the ZL1 has near the brakes as the CF rotors and big calipers on my ZO7. If you are bucks up and nothing but a new Corvette will do then by all means get a new one. As far as the difference between your ZL1 and a ZO6 I have no idea as I have never driven a ZL1 Camaro. As previously stated drive both a auto & stick ZO6 before deciding.
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10-04-2018, 02:47 PM
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You are lucky. Brand new cars getting taken apart because the A8 doesn't do what it is suppose to. Same **** with the trucks that have this tranny. Go on the truck forums and see the nightmares over there.
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10-04-2018, 08:31 PM
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I do own an A8 and don't have any problems with it and have owned a lot of other fast **** that isn't even listed in my sig. Once again until somebody intelligent can offer a better explanation about why all of the A8s are the top of the fast list...I will post the question...how bad can it be? Where are all of the ZL1 A10 times for comparison?
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10-05-2018, 09:10 AM
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I do own an A8 and don't have any problems with it and have owned a lot of other fast **** that isn't even listed in my sig. Once again until somebody intelligent can offer a better explanation about why all of the A8s are the top of the fast list...I will post the question...how bad can it be? Where are all of the ZL1 A10 times for comparison?
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10-05-2018, 09:55 PM
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You keep talking about time slips, not everyone (including the OP, as he "doesn't plan to track the car yet") cares about the faster ET. The A8 is known to have trans and torque converter failures, not to mention the heat soak and overheating issues when tracked. I have not experienced either of these while I owned my A8, but I know they are prevalent. That being said, the driving experience is night and day between the A8 & A10. I almost don't wish my ZL1 was a manual. If GM could fit the A10 in a Z06 or ZR1, they would have done so already. The A10 is by far the superior transmission. If A10s start blowing up too, then I'll gladly eat my fair share of crow, but for now, I'm glad I traded my Z06 for my ZL1 and would never in good faith tell anyone looking for a weekend driver that the Z06 is worth $30k-50k to get out of an already awesome ZL1.
Is that really what you read that I stated? I actually never stated anywhere at anytime anything about time slips. Obviously you exhibit a problem with some basic reading comprehension. So I will offer some assistance with sincere hopes that in conclusion you might be able to display some level of aptitude vs. fake news over a very simple question.
It's a top of the fast list.....how bad can it really be? One more time just for clarification and so that you don't have any more misunderstanding, I will simplify it for you. How bad can it be? To make it even easier for you so that you avoid being side tracked. I also never said that it was better than an A10, nor did I say it was the best transmission GM ever installed in a vehicle. I simply said, from a performance perspective in looking at them a top of the fast list, "how bad can it really be".
If you feel compelled to respond to my particular question. Just answer it without all the bs of introducing things that weren't asked? From a performance perspective in looking at the fast list...how bad can it really be?
If you don't agree or like the fast list as a performance measure than I'm not sure I can offer you any advice. Other than of course don't attempt to answer a question you are not prepared to answer.
peace
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10-06-2018, 12:35 AM
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You shouldn't be comparing the ZL1 and the Z06's comfort and or transmissions. You either want a Camaro or a Corvette, its not a difficult choice as they are two totally different cars.
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10-06-2018, 05:54 AM
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They are different but if you think about it, the ZL1 is a better track oriented car as it has a better trans, better cooling, same power, and more efficient at making that power. Meaning it won't lose power due to being heat soaked and most importantly, it won't over heat at all lol
When comparing these 2 cars, this is the time when you really can NOT say, "yeah i'll pick the z06 over the ZL1 because the Z is a better performance car".
This time, it's not lol.
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10-06-2018, 09:54 AM
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They are different but if you think about it, the ZL1 is a better track oriented car as it has a better trans, better cooling, same power, and more efficient at making that power. Meaning it won't lose power due to being heat soaked and most importantly, it won't over heat at all lol
When comparing these 2 cars, this is the time when you really can NOT say, "yeah i'll pick the z06 over the ZL1 because the Z is a better performance car".
This time, it's not lol.
When comparing these 2 cars, this is the time when you really can NOT say, "yeah i'll pick the z06 over the ZL1 because the Z is a better performance car".
This time, it's not lol.
The Camaro is not even a sports car is a muscle car that the Z06 beats in all measures nice try! Even the social ladder I wouldn't want to pull up driving any Camaro!
I would take the hellcat over the Camaro.
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10-06-2018, 10:08 AM
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I agree! The Corvette is the only American made true sports car! The Camaro is not is in the same sports car class it clearly has 4 seats rides taller with battle tank small side windows.
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