Notices
C7 Z06 Discussion General Z06 Corvette Discussion, LT4 Corvette Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Suspension Setup for Street or Track
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Would you buy this Z06 lemon?

 
Old 11-15-2018, 06:39 PM
  #61  
LiuBearPig
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
LiuBearPig's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 275
Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Can anybody make sense of this document for me?

it says reverse gear was replaced amongst other things... how could one car have such a large variety of issues? From supposedly leaky suspension, faulty transmission adapter and bad reverse gear? Is this car cursed? When I asked the sales manager he said causally ďI think the previous owner just had ĎpaymentitisíĒ. Which I would be more inclined to believe except for all the aforementioned parts replaced
Attached Images
File Type: pdf
doc11268620181113194239.pdf (815.2 KB, 21 views)
LiuBearPig is offline  
Old 11-15-2018, 06:43 PM
  #62  
LiuBearPig
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
LiuBearPig's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 275
Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DAVE396LT1 View Post
I'd say if you can confirm with certainty that the part that was troubling the original owner was in fact replaced as part ofd the entire assemblty, why not?
how does one confirm with certainty, exactly? Because Iíve asked them that exact question; if the original issue that troubled the first owner has been remedied and of course being salespeople they responded with a resounding YES.

What id like to know is, is there a system in place already safeguarding the consumer? As in, if the cars original issue(s) were still present with the car then the car wouldnít be fit to be back on the market, right?

in other words General Motors would need to make sure the car is operating as it should be before it ever got into Van Horn Chevroletís hands, riiight? 🤔
LiuBearPig is offline  
Old 11-15-2018, 06:49 PM
  #63  
$Bill
Junior Member
 
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Charlotte North Carolina
Posts: 35
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Buybacks are covered by a 12/12 original manufactures's new car warranty extension [Not a service contract] or the remaining new car warranty, whichever is longer.
This would give you one year at least for any problems to arise and have them repaired under warranty.
$Bill is offline  
Old 11-15-2018, 07:10 PM
  #64  
Parcival
CF Senior Member
 
Parcival's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2018
Location: San Francisco Ca
Posts: 891
Thanked 190 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Going back to your original post, Iím sure that this car is not for you... you start talking abt your ďconstrained budgetĒ right away so a z06 3LZ, not to mention a GM manufacturer buyback, is going to stress you out... Dont get me wrong, I appreciate due diligence on a deal especially on a ďsteal.Ē But 99% of the time on deals where people have gone this far to make sure they donít lose a cent they canít risk, they are better off buying something cheaper. Get a Ď17 GS 3lz manual for mid to high $50k-s and bank the rest. Yes youíd be giving up something - I traded a Ď17 Gs for a Ď17 Z . But Youíre not goin to track the car anyway if youíre this worried abt the risk.

Btw the report didnít seem too crazy- Iíve seen worse and the car was fine for 20k miles before I sold it and Iíve learned things abt a carís history after the fact that I wouldnít have guessed. I give a car a long rowdy test drive if possible.

Or maybe u buy it now and show me that Iím wrong. Then God forbid that anything does happen to this car, this forum is never going to hear the end of it. Iím betting it would be something ironically unrelated to the original defects like the dash leather trim falling off!

Just sayiní sorry.

Last edited by Parcival; 11-15-2018 at 07:19 PM.
Parcival is offline  
Old 11-15-2018, 07:14 PM
  #65  
Tort
CF Senior Member
 
Tort's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2018
Location: CO
Posts: 415
Thanked 91 Times in 66 Posts
Default

Your gut knows to run away from this car. If you have a budget, stick to that and wait for the right car to fall within that budget.
Tort is offline  
Old 11-16-2018, 12:26 AM
  #66  
LiuBearPig
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
LiuBearPig's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 275
Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Parcival View Post
Going back to your original post, Iím sure that this car is not for you... you start talking abt your ďconstrained budgetĒ right away so a z06 3LZ, not to mention a GM manufacturer buyback, is going to stress you out... Dont get me wrong, I appreciate due diligence on a deal especially on a ďsteal.Ē But 99% of the time on deals where people have gone this far to make sure they donít lose a cent they canít risk, they are better off buying something cheaper. Get a Ď17 GS 3lz manual for mid to high $50k-s and bank the rest. Yes youíd be giving up something - I traded a Ď17 Gs for a Ď17 Z . But Youíre not goin to track the car anyway if youíre this worried abt the risk.

Btw the report didnít seem too crazy- Iíve seen worse and the car was fine for 20k miles before I sold it and Iíve learned things abt a carís history after the fact that I wouldnít have guessed. I give a car a long rowdy test drive if possible.

Or maybe u buy it now and show me that Iím wrong. Then God forbid that anything does happen to this car, this forum is never going to hear the end of it. Iím betting it would be something ironically unrelated to the original defects like the dash leather trim falling off!

Just sayiní sorry.

i negotiated a 7 year 75,000 mile warranty.. surely that counts for something right? Whatever problems it has theyíll have to fix it for free virtually forever
LiuBearPig is offline  
Old 11-16-2018, 08:02 AM
  #67  
tertiumquid
CF Senior Member
 
tertiumquid's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Cumming, GA
Posts: 266
Thanked 81 Times in 62 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LiuBearPig View Post



i negotiated a 7 year 75,000 mile warranty.. surely that counts for something right? Whatever problems it has theyíll have to fix it for free virtually forever
I've made a few mistakes over the years and when it came to buying a car. All of them related to my fixation on getting a particular one because I'd already sold myself on the idea and common sense went out the window. I think you may be in the same position. All of us can understand the great desire to have a Z but if this car has had the kind of problems you've described, it will likely continue to do so. Even if you have a long warranty, it could end up in the shop for extended periods of time which will frustrate you. Unless you have a dealer service dept with several Vette techs, a mechanical repair can often take one to three weeks. And, if you go to sell it, that history will come back to haunt you because potential buyers are going to have the same doubts you are having. There's plenty of good cars in your budget out there with a clean history. My advice is to cool your jets a little and find the right car. What you're doing with this one is sort of like going after a beautiful girl while ignoring the fact that she may be "high maintenance" and will turn your life into a nightmare..
tertiumquid is online now  
Old 11-16-2018, 11:53 AM
  #68  
Satanspawn
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Jul 2015
Location: NJ
Posts: 137
Thanked 30 Times in 21 Posts
Default

I'm curious why people think it's so difficult to resell buyback-titled cars later down the road... Pretty sure the mileage and length of ownership by the second owner would be a clear indication that the issue(s) that caused the initial buyback were likely resolved or non-issues, and it's no better or worse than any other vehicle out there.

I've definitely heard of buybacks occurring because of folks with buyer's remorse making mountains out of molehills for the sole purpose of returning the vehicle. Hell, read through threads on this site and you'll find that some people complain incessantly about the most petty and insignificant things, like a wrinkle or two developing on a seat.
Satanspawn is offline  
Old 11-16-2018, 01:54 PM
  #69  
LiuBearPig
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
LiuBearPig's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 275
Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tertiumquid View Post
I've made a few mistakes over the years and when it came to buying a car. All of them related to my fixation on getting a particular one because I'd already sold myself on the idea and common sense went out the window. I think you may be in the same position. All of us can understand the great desire to have a Z but if this car has had the kind of problems you've described, it will likely continue to do so. Even if you have a long warranty, it could end up in the shop for extended periods of time which will frustrate you. Unless you have a dealer service dept with several Vette techs, a mechanical repair can often take one to three weeks. And, if you go to sell it, that history will come back to haunt you because potential buyers are going to have the same doubts you are having. There's plenty of good cars in your budget out there with a clean history. My advice is to cool your jets a little and find the right car. What you're doing with this one is sort of like going after a beautiful girl while ignoring the fact that she may be "high maintenance" and will turn your life into a nightmare..

well the jokeís on you, sir because i always go after the beautiful high maintenance girl... I guess some people are just doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

but even if this car continues to have problems, no matter how many problems arise, it would all get fixed eventually wouldnít it? In the grand scheme of things I really donít mind having the car in the shop for weeks or even a month at a time because I plan on keeping it for at least 10 years. And honestly, I feel like having every option I want is more important than having the car being 100% mechanically and functionally sound as long as it can be repaired

edit: I guess what Iím saying is, as long as thereís an end to the repairs it needs I donít care how arduous it is to get it there. My only real concern is having this car and then it has a problem thatís IMPOSSIBLE to fix. I donít care if it has 15-20 problems as long as it can all go away. Iím just worried that it may have something severe like maybe the frame was misaligned when it was welded together and because of that discrepancy the whole car is all messed up

Last edited by LiuBearPig; 11-16-2018 at 01:58 PM.
LiuBearPig is offline  
Old 11-16-2018, 02:04 PM
  #70  
Tort
CF Senior Member
 
Tort's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2018
Location: CO
Posts: 415
Thanked 91 Times in 66 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LiuBearPig View Post
but even if this car continues to have problems, no matter how many problems arise, it would all get fixed eventually wouldnít it? In the grand scheme of things I really donít mind having the car in the shop for weeks or even a month at a time
You've already made up your mind then. Best of luck with your new "lemon".
Tort is offline  
Old 11-16-2018, 02:27 PM
  #71  
Parcival
CF Senior Member
 
Parcival's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2018
Location: San Francisco Ca
Posts: 891
Thanked 190 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LiuBearPig View Post



i negotiated a 7 year 75,000 mile warranty.. surely that counts for something right? Whatever problems it has they’ll have to fix it for free virtually forever
just to be clear, this is a B2B? Power train warranty is not going to let u sleep at night, given your worries about catastrophic problems "that can't be fixed" above...

Last edited by Parcival; 11-16-2018 at 03:19 PM.
Parcival is offline  
Old 11-16-2018, 03:11 PM
  #72  
Toddiesel
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Mar 2016
Location: Charleston SC
Posts: 738
Thanked 73 Times in 58 Posts
Default

I'm pulling for ya man. I think it'll work out.
Toddiesel is online now  
Old 11-16-2018, 03:38 PM
  #73  
Bill Dearborn
Tech Contributor
 
Bill Dearborn's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: Charlotte (formerly Endicott, NY) NC
Posts: 32,578
Thanked 3,193 Times in 2,142 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LiuBearPig View Post
If I get the extended warranty and the car starts having persisting issues that they canít fix, would I still be able to make GM buy it back if itís already a branded title?
I don't see the car having a branded title. It is just a GM buyback. Being a buyback doesn't really imply anything other than GM bought the car back. The biggest issue I think you have is getting the car back to where you live. That will add at least $1500 to the cost of the car. I don't see any car as ever developing persistent issues that can't be fixed. The so called issue was a leaking transmission. They could replace the complete transmission to get rid of any issues with a manufacturing defect that came from Tremec the transmission supplier. If I were you and the car was in the next county I wouldn't worry about the issues. However, going through the hassle of hauling it 2400 miles is what would make me look elsewhere. You may be able to find a similar GM buyback or a better deal much closer to you.

Bill
Bill Dearborn is online now  
The Following User Says Thank You to Bill Dearborn For This Useful Post:
Mikec7z (11-16-2018)
Old 11-16-2018, 07:38 PM
  #74  
tertiumquid
CF Senior Member
 
tertiumquid's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2015
Location: Cumming, GA
Posts: 266
Thanked 81 Times in 62 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LiuBearPig View Post



well the jokeís on you, sir because i always go after the beautiful high maintenance girl... I guess some people are just doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

but even if this car continues to have problems, no matter how many problems arise, it would all get fixed eventually wouldnít it? In the grand scheme of things I really donít mind having the car in the shop for weeks or even a month at a time because I plan on keeping it for at least 10 years. And honestly, I feel like having every option I want is more important than having the car being 100% mechanically and functionally sound as long as it can be repaired

edit: I guess what Iím saying is, as long as thereís an end to the repairs it needs I donít care how arduous it is to get it there. My only real concern is having this car and then it has a problem thatís IMPOSSIBLE to fix. I donít care if it has 15-20 problems as long as it can all go away. Iím just worried that it may have something severe like maybe the frame was misaligned when it was welded together and because of that discrepancy the whole car is all messed up
You asked the forum for it's opinion and we have all offered advice and viewpoints trying to help you. I don't appreciate taking a few minutes out of my life to try to help you and then get some cutesy answer that "the jokes on me". Maybe you intended it as a joke after I read your edit but still, we're only trying to give you the help you asked for. It's your money and you should do whatever makes you happy. Just remember that beautiful girls often turn into old hags. You're fretting over this car too much...make a decision and live with it, good or bad.
tertiumquid is online now  
The Following User Says Thank You to tertiumquid For This Useful Post:
Plstxmd (01-13-2019)
Old 11-16-2018, 07:55 PM
  #75  
Mikec7z
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,601
Thanked 259 Times in 208 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn View Post
I don't see the car having a branded title. It is just a GM buyback. Being a buyback doesn't really imply anything other than GM bought the car back. The biggest issue I think you have is getting the car back to where you live. That will add at least $1500 to the cost of the car. I don't see any car as ever developing persistent issues that can't be fixed. The so called issue was a leaking transmission. They could replace the complete transmission to get rid of any issues with a manufacturing defect that came from Tremec the transmission supplier. If I were you and the car was in the next county I wouldn't worry about the issues. However, going through the hassle of hauling it 2400 miles is what would make me look elsewhere. You may be able to find a similar GM buyback or a better deal much closer to you.

Bill
you are half correct Bill. It depends on which state it was originally purchased new from a dealer, and their lemon laws. Each state specifies what will occur on the title after a buyback. Many states, the dealers have to have customer sign a disclosure agreement waiver that the customer understands the car was a buyback. I think that waiver carries forward to any future sellers/buyers as well in some cases. Some states do carry a branded/salvage title. Find out what state the dealer was SOLD FROM originally (not titled originally, can be different as dealers can title cars out of their own states) and also find out which state's courts or BBB handled the buyback (usually same as state of original purchase/dealer).. and that will allow for us to track down the answer on "branded title" etc.

Last edited by Mikec7z; 11-17-2018 at 01:28 AM.
Mikec7z is offline  
Old 11-17-2018, 01:10 AM
  #76  
emperors61
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Apr 2018
Posts: 111
Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Default

Pull the GMVIS report to see exactly what was done.
emperors61 is offline  
Old 11-17-2018, 12:22 PM
  #77  
LiuBearPig
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
LiuBearPig's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 275
Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by tertiumquid View Post
You asked the forum for it's opinion and we have all offered advice and viewpoints trying to help you. I don't appreciate taking a few minutes out of my life to try to help you and then get some cutesy answer that "the jokes on me". Maybe you intended it as a joke after I read your edit but still, we're only trying to give you the help you asked for. It's your money and you should do whatever makes you happy. Just remember that beautiful girls often turn into old hags. You're fretting over this car too much...make a decision and live with it, good or bad.

it it was only a joke- one made in poor taste I suppose.
I value and appreciate everybodyís input, whether they agree with me or not
LiuBearPig is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to LiuBearPig For This Useful Post:
tertiumquid (11-17-2018)
Old 11-17-2018, 12:23 PM
  #78  
LiuBearPig
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
LiuBearPig's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 275
Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Parcival View Post


just to be clear, this is a B2B? Power train warranty is not going to let u sleep at night, given your worries about catastrophic problems "that can't be fixed" above...

do you mean to say the bumper to bumper warranty doesnít cover Powertrain? I thought they would be one in the same. If not this would be a huge issue
LiuBearPig is offline  
Old 11-17-2018, 01:02 PM
  #79  
LiuBearPig
CF Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
LiuBearPig's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 275
Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn View Post
I don't see the car having a branded title. It is just a GM buyback. Being a buyback doesn't really imply anything other than GM bought the car back. The biggest issue I think you have is getting the car back to where you live. That will add at least $1500 to the cost of the car. I don't see any car as ever developing persistent issues that can't be fixed. The so called issue was a leaking transmission. They could replace the complete transmission to get rid of any issues with a manufacturing defect that came from Tremec the transmission supplier. If I were you and the car was in the next county I wouldn't worry about the issues. However, going through the hassle of hauling it 2400 miles is what would make me look elsewhere. You may be able to find a similar GM buyback or a better deal much closer to you.

Bill
who knows? Maybe Iíll put that 1,500 dollars (it was 1,800 when I got quoted) towards a full clear bra and just drive the bitch back to California

though im not so sure about the winter weather and the pilot sport cups
LiuBearPig is offline  
Old 11-17-2018, 01:09 PM
  #80  
Parcival
CF Senior Member
 
Parcival's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2018
Location: San Francisco Ca
Posts: 891
Thanked 190 Times in 148 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LiuBearPig View Post



do you mean to say the bumper to bumper warranty doesnít cover Powertrain? I thought they would be one in the same. If not this would be a huge issue
no I mean whether it might just be the lesser Powertrain only or whatever warranty.

b2b is what it is, only excludes essentially ďwear and tearĒ so is the best u can get. Hard for me to believe someone would give u that long of a B2B for that little $.

Last edited by Parcival; 11-17-2018 at 01:10 PM.
Parcival is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Would you buy this Z06 lemon?


Sponsored Ads
Vendor Directory

Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: