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Old 11-16-2018, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jbsblownc5
I currently run Toyo R888Rs on my sig wheels, 275/35/18s on the front and 345/30/192 on the rear, GREAT TIRE!

I may put the R888rs on the stock wheels as well...

The Toyo R888rs are a little wider then the Toyo R888s were, so in my opinion, a 325 Toyo R888R will be VERY close to a stock 335 tire, and out grip it in almost every scenario...
... this mike...
Old 11-16-2018, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fredforce

I’ve put 1100 miles on them, so far I’ve had no issues with tc light or abs.
Great! Will it fit on a full lowered (stock blot) car?

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Old 11-16-2018, 03:29 AM
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See post #22 revs per mile, and circumference. That’s your answer for t/c issues. Look up the rolling circumference of the tire, the revolutions per mile also for the various tire combos. Should be on the manufacturer’s websiteor tire rack maybe. If the ratio between the front and the back is essentially the same, the wheel speed variance that triggers the various nannies will be same as stock, and despite the speedometer being off if it’s not the same revs per mile, the ratio being correct should make the computers believe the car is behaving the same as if the stock tires are on. I’ve no idea about those tires, but high soft sidewalls don’t sound like a good choice for a car that comes with a suspension tuned for stiff, short sidewalk zp tires. Soft sidewalls that are tall give you a lot of warning before they break free as a rule ( think about any race car tire from nascar to f1, taller sidewalls than our cars by far, so there must be a reason. DR’s flex so they don’t get overpowered by torque load, not side g load) .
I can’t add anything about rim width fitment, other than too narrow a rim for a given will ballon the tire, narrowing the effective contact patch, probably not helpful, as well as increasing the circumference and decreasing the revs per mile.
As far as rub, depends where the rub is, anybody try changing the ride height?
There are so many great looking tires out there that aren’t sized for our cars, but look amazing. Good luck with the trials...
myself, I love the way they look with scrubs slicks on them!
Old 11-16-2018, 03:37 AM
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You may not get the tc issue until the car is substantially yawed and the wheel speed variance is occurring in the more liberal drive modes. If the computers get values that aren’t on the maps, or get inputs that lead to incorrect solutions for the situation that could be messy.
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So this is a great thread for once, not just silly sniping, some good info. Sorry for the multiple posts, I was adding before reading to the end! A question regarding post #71.
So how can the speed at which you hit the brakes trigger the ice mode? The system samples in fractions of a second for wheel speed, rate of change, brake pedal pressure, line pressure, at least what 60 times a second? Abs specifically samples the differences in wheel speed and modulates the brake pressure at the master for the wheel where it senses lockup or impending lockup- in other words where it senses a tire not turning at the speed expected compared to the others, for what it believes is the speed of the car. People just can’t change parameters so fast as to outrun the computers ability to sample, I’d think. Applying maximum braking pressure, and creating a lock up, or impending lock up scenario, at all four corners would be difficult, due to the forward weight transfer the rears would lock way faster than the fronts as they are substantially unweighted... There’s a tadge comment on this :
“The key to understanding this phenomenon is that a true ‘ice mode’ where specific calibrations are changed due to distinct surface detection doesn’t exist in any way”
I’ve applied the brakes in many cars literally as hard as I possibly can trying to get lock up and have never experienced it ( ice mode), On tracks and the street both. It seems that “ice mode” is an abberancy when inputs are outside the parameters of the abs map, usually due to equipment mods or very confusing inputs to the abs computer from curb strikes, or other sudden unweighting events, during heavy braking inputs.
Thanks for the great pics of different tires and good discussion compared to “buy this bauble” threads

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Old 11-16-2018, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Plstxmd

Applying maximum braking pressure, and creating a lock up, or impending lock up scenario, at all four corners would be difficult, due to the forward weight transfer the rears would lock way faster than the fronts as they are substantially unweighted..
Not necessarily, if the wheel speed sensors see an unexpected rate of change, before the weight transfer has occurred.

People who have experienced the Ice mode seem to say that it doesn't happen with a smoother brake application, instead of an instant hard jab. This might suggest that it is the front wheels which are decelerating more quickly than than expected, before the forward weight transfer has had a chance to occur and give them adequate traction for the more powerful brakes on the front.

This might be similar to what happens on ice, where there won't be that forward weight transfer, causing the more powerful front brakes to slow the front wheels too quickly. Could there be enough similarity between the two scenarios that the computer can confuse the two?


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A short drive or spirited drive will not show issues with TC or ABS.

The best way to see how much TC intervenes or cuts power is to push the car hard on track or aggressive back road driving.

I am still not sold on the change to tire sizes +4 in diameter. Zack Klapman (The Smoking Tire) did a One Take of a Corvette C7 with taller tires that was a pig to handle around the canyons as it kept cutting off power.
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I don't plan on putting this car on the road courses. I have drag radials for the track. These tires seem to ride so much better than the run flats. I did push them pretty hard yesterday but mostly straight line with a few twist and turns. They seem to have better traction than the run flats. I am putting down about 850 rwhp and the run flats just could not handle that. I do know I did not get any kind of abs or traction control issues even when I pushed it hard. The traction control only kicked in when it should have kicked in. Time will tell as to how they hold up but so far I am glad I pulled the trigger on these
Old 11-16-2018, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Checkmate1
A short drive or spirited drive will not show issues with TC or ABS.

The best way to see how much TC intervenes or cuts power is to push the car hard on track or aggressive back road driving.

I am still not sold on the change to tire sizes +4 in diameter. Zack Klapman (The Smoking Tire) did a One Take of a Corvette C7 with taller tires that was a pig to handle around the canyons as it kept cutting off power.
agreed, i was hoping for more feedback from more members, i know a couple have had great results, which i believe, but i wanted to see if there were anymore out there who have also raced them hard at these sizes.
Old 11-16-2018, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikec7z
agreed, i was hoping for more feedback from more members, i know a couple have had great results, which i believe, but i wanted to see if there were anymore out there who have also raced them hard at these sizes.
I think I have made up my mind I'm going to pull the trigger on the Toyo R888R's in 295/30/19 & 325/30/20

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Old 11-17-2018, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Z06Brucey
I think I have made up my mind I'm going to pull the trigger on the Toyo R888R's in 295/30/19 & 325/30/20
When you get them, let's see some pics. Curious as to how those look/ride compared to the 285/35s up front.
Old 11-17-2018, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Z06Brucey
I think I have made up my mind I'm going to pull the trigger on the Toyo R888R's in 295/30/19 & 325/30/20
what wheels do you run in the back? are they a c7z reproduction, or do you have forged wheels all the way around of a different style than stock?

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Originally Posted by Mikec7z
what wheels to you run in the back? are they a c7z reproduction, or do you have forged wheels all the way around of a different style than stock?
I have aftermarket wheels. 19's up front and 20's in the rear.

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Originally Posted by Z06Brucey
I have aftermarket wheels. 19's up front and 20's in the rear.
i feel stupid and lucky right now...

i misread, and thought you had 19's all the way around, which is why i asked the question i did.

But i am thankful i made the mistake, because it caused me to get a chance to see your wheels, those are gorgeous, if I was not always so concerned with staying under the radar as I drive, I would do copper wheels myself. Great tastes man
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Good thread, will consider some of these.
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Just more information for all you who are expressing concerns about wheel/tire size differences,
and traction control and/or "nannies" getting upset... here are the 3 different wheel/tire combinations
I run on our '16 Z06.

We do autocross, and I use these 3 different sets constantly... more lately the
19/20 OEM wheels with Conti ECS tires for street driving and autocross in the rain,
and the 18/18 wheels with Rival tires for autocross in the warm/dry.

I have run the 18/19 C6 Z06 wheels with Toyo R888R tires for autocross, (putting us in Race Class).
but they aren't as good as Hoosier... so we didn't do well. I am now using these wheels/tires
for road racing.


Front19x10 Gloss Black Wheels 285x30x19 Tires
Rear20x12 Gloss Black Wheels 335x25x20 Tires

Front18x9.5 Gloss Black Wheels 295x30x18 Tires
Rear19x12 Gloss Black Wheels 345x30x18 Tires

Front18x11 Gloss Black Wheels 315x30x18 Tires
Rear18x12.5 Gloss Black Wheels 335x30x18 Tires


But, suffice it to say, we have NEVER experienced any "nannies" (computer getting upset)
with MANY miles/laps of HARD aggressive use with all 3 of the above wheels/tires combinations.
And never any rub either.

As for "ice mode", YES... we have experienced it quite a bit. We are learning that judicious application
of the brake pedal appropriately will overcome this.

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Originally Posted by NTMD8R
Just more information for all you who are expressing concerns about wheel/tire size differences,
and traction control and/or "nannies" getting upset... here are the 3 different wheel/tire combinations
I run on our '16 Z06.

We do autocross, and I use these 3 different sets constantly... more lately the
19/20 OEM wheels with Conti ECS tires for street driving and autocross in the rain,
and the 18/18 wheels with Rival tires for autocross in the warm/dry.

I have run the 18/19 C6 Z06 wheels with Toyo R888R tires for autocross, (putting us in Race Class).
but they aren't as good as Hoosier... so we didn't do well. I am now using these wheels/tires
for road racing.


Front19x10 Gloss Black Wheels 285x30x19 Tires
Rear20x12 Gloss Black Wheels 335x25x20 Tires

Front18x9.5 Gloss Black Wheels 295x30x18 Tires
Rear19x12 Gloss Black Wheels 345x30x18 Tires

Front18x11 Gloss Black Wheels 315x30x18 Tires
Rear18x12.5 Gloss Black Wheels 335x30x18 Tires


But, suffice it to say, we have NEVER experienced any "nannies" (computer getting upset)
with MANY miles/laps of HARD aggressive use with all 3 of the above wheels/tires combinations.
And never any rub either.

As for "ice mode", YES... we have experienced it quite a bit. We are learning that judicious application
of the brake pedal appropriately will overcome this.
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Mikec7z
i feel stupid and lucky right now...

i misread, and thought you had 19's all the way around, which is why i asked the question i did.

But i am thankful i made the mistake, because it caused me to get a chance to see your wheels, those are gorgeous, if I was not always so concerned with staying under the radar as I drive, I would do copper wheels myself. Great tastes man
I'll keep everyone updated with my results. Thanks for the compliment on the wheels!
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Originally Posted by NTMD8R
Just more information for all you who are expressing concerns about wheel/tire size differences,
and traction control and/or "nannies" getting upset... here are the 3 different wheel/tire combinations
I run on our '16 Z06.

We do autocross, and I use these 3 different sets constantly... more lately the
19/20 OEM wheels with Conti ECS tires for street driving and autocross in the rain,
and the 18/18 wheels with Rival tires for autocross in the warm/dry.

I have run the 18/19 C6 Z06 wheels with Toyo R888R tires for autocross, (putting us in Race Class).
but they aren't as good as Hoosier... so we didn't do well. I am now using these wheels/tires
for road racing.


Front19x10 Gloss Black Wheels 285x30x19 Tires
Rear20x12 Gloss Black Wheels 335x25x20 Tires

Front18x9.5 Gloss Black Wheels 295x30x18 Tires
Rear19x12 Gloss Black Wheels 345x30x18 Tires

Front18x11 Gloss Black Wheels 315x30x18 Tires
Rear18x12.5 Gloss Black Wheels 335x30x18 Tires


But, suffice it to say, we have NEVER experienced any "nannies" (computer getting upset)
with MANY miles/laps of HARD aggressive use with all 3 of the above wheels/tires combinations.
And never any rub either.

As for "ice mode", YES... we have experienced it quite a bit. We are learning that judicious application
of the brake pedal appropriately will overcome this.
Thanks for your input and information! It's greatly appreciated!
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I too think your wheels are way 😎. I have been watching this thread for some time now thinking the R888s may be my next set. I’m very pleased with my Pirelli’s in the stock sizes but would like the additional traction of the Toyo’s without going to drag radials for the street. When I Autocross and/or track I remount my Michelin Sport Cup2’s on OEM wheels for the extra traction. The Sport Cup 2’s however suck for drag races as I can’t seem to get them hot enough during burn outs prior to the runs and they hold on to gravel picked up on return roads so hard the small stones have to be dug out with a screw driver. Hoping the Toyo’s will be better.

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