As suspected
11-14-2018, 09:14 PM
#81
Looks like the lights where on therefore the taillights would be red so my original assertion may have been wrong.
Still no explanation for the gold tag in the video and the white tag in the photos. Could be the same car, but maybe not.
So the benefit of the doubt goes to the Op.
Regardless, unless the C6Z is modified the C7Z is quicker.
Still no explanation for the gold tag in the video and the white tag in the photos. Could be the same car, but maybe not.
So the benefit of the doubt goes to the Op.
Regardless, unless the C6Z is modified the C7Z is quicker.
Gold tag is the official NJ license plate.
Either or i think the C7Z owner still is getting used to his car. When i first got my car, even well after the 500 mile break in, i didn't go WOT. It was too scary. Especially in 1st or 2nd gear. 3rd and 4th gear i would ease my foot into it, maybe giving 75% throttle.
Only since a year ago have i experienced full throttle in my Z lol. I love the 3rd to 4th gear WOT pulls. My favorite.
Once that C7Z owner learns his car and isn't scared as much, he should re-run his friends C6Z. It'll be a different outcome. Maybe by not much though since he has a full aero kit it seems, which slows down the car dramatically.
A stage 1 manual Z should eat this C6Z.
11-14-2018, 09:20 PM
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The photo shows a white tag because that's a NJ temp plate/tag.
Gold tag is the official NJ license plate.
Either or i think the C7Z owner still is getting used to his car. When i first got my car, even well after the 500 mile break in, i didn't go WOT. It was too scary. Especially in 1st or 2nd gear. 3rd and 4th gear i would ease my foot into it, maybe giving 75% throttle.
Only since a year ago have i experienced full throttle in my Z lol. I love the 3rd to 4th gear WOT pulls. My favorite.
Once that C7Z owner learns his car and isn't scared as much, he should re-run his friends C6Z. It'll be a different outcome. Maybe by not much though since he has a full aero kit it seems, which slows down the car dramatically.
A stage 1 manual Z should eat this C6Z.
Gold tag is the official NJ license plate.
Either or i think the C7Z owner still is getting used to his car. When i first got my car, even well after the 500 mile break in, i didn't go WOT. It was too scary. Especially in 1st or 2nd gear. 3rd and 4th gear i would ease my foot into it, maybe giving 75% throttle.
Only since a year ago have i experienced full throttle in my Z lol. I love the 3rd to 4th gear WOT pulls. My favorite.
Once that C7Z owner learns his car and isn't scared as much, he should re-run his friends C6Z. It'll be a different outcome. Maybe by not much though since he has a full aero kit it seems, which slows down the car dramatically.
A stage 1 manual Z should eat this C6Z.
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11-15-2018, 12:24 AM
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Road & Track performance data for the C7 Z06 notes the Z07 option reduces top speed by 9 mph, from 195 mph to 186 mph. I assume that is aero stage 3 versus aero stage 1.
The C7 Z06 has about a 15% power to weight advantage (including driver). The C6 Z06 has a top speed of 198 mph, in 5th gear at 6300 rpm, the rpm of peak horsepower. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines at 186 mph in 5th gear, while 186 mph in 6th gear is 5400 rpm, and 195 mph at 5661 rpm, both below the 6400 rpm of peak power, so the C7 Z06 M7 is not geared for top speed. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines in 4th gear at 150 mph, so that should help in a 0 to 150 mph run. Ignoring drive train losses, power is proportional to speed^3. Based on this assumption, at 100 mph the C6 Z06 is losing about 12.9% of it's power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 15.5% of it's power to drag, reducing the C7 Z06's remaining power to weight advantage to about 14.5%. At 150 mph, the C6 Z06 is losing about 43.5% of it's peak power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 52.4% of it's peak power to drag, reducing it's power to weight advantage to about 12.6%, but that's still an advantage for the C7 Z06.
0 to 60 is traction limited on both cars, so it depends on the tires, and I recall something like 3.4 seconds for the C6 and 3.1 for the C7 (manual). Some C6 owners switched to Nitto NT05's which may have as much grip as the MPSS tires on the C7 Z06, but that's speculation. I've seen a range of numbers for 0 to 150 mph, with one source reporting 17.7 for the C6 versus 17.1 for the C7 (I don't recall the source). Acceleration times web site has much slower numbers, like 22.8 C6 versus 22.5 C7, versus 18.6 C6 ZR1.
There's also the issue of the A8, which is faster for 0 to 100 mph (traction limited to around 60 mph, is the A8 just a bit smoother in getting the power down to the pavement?), but once at 100 mph, the C7 Z06 is well beyond it's traction limits, and the A8's consumption of power, should result in slower 100 mph to 150 mph time versus the M7.
On the 7:13.90 20.6 km "lap" at Nordschleife, the C7 Z06 topped out around 174 mph (280 kph) at 7:40 into the video below. I don't know if this was a heat issue causing timing to be pulled a bit.
The C7 Z06 has about a 15% power to weight advantage (including driver). The C6 Z06 has a top speed of 198 mph, in 5th gear at 6300 rpm, the rpm of peak horsepower. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines at 186 mph in 5th gear, while 186 mph in 6th gear is 5400 rpm, and 195 mph at 5661 rpm, both below the 6400 rpm of peak power, so the C7 Z06 M7 is not geared for top speed. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines in 4th gear at 150 mph, so that should help in a 0 to 150 mph run. Ignoring drive train losses, power is proportional to speed^3. Based on this assumption, at 100 mph the C6 Z06 is losing about 12.9% of it's power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 15.5% of it's power to drag, reducing the C7 Z06's remaining power to weight advantage to about 14.5%. At 150 mph, the C6 Z06 is losing about 43.5% of it's peak power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 52.4% of it's peak power to drag, reducing it's power to weight advantage to about 12.6%, but that's still an advantage for the C7 Z06.
0 to 60 is traction limited on both cars, so it depends on the tires, and I recall something like 3.4 seconds for the C6 and 3.1 for the C7 (manual). Some C6 owners switched to Nitto NT05's which may have as much grip as the MPSS tires on the C7 Z06, but that's speculation. I've seen a range of numbers for 0 to 150 mph, with one source reporting 17.7 for the C6 versus 17.1 for the C7 (I don't recall the source). Acceleration times web site has much slower numbers, like 22.8 C6 versus 22.5 C7, versus 18.6 C6 ZR1.
There's also the issue of the A8, which is faster for 0 to 100 mph (traction limited to around 60 mph, is the A8 just a bit smoother in getting the power down to the pavement?), but once at 100 mph, the C7 Z06 is well beyond it's traction limits, and the A8's consumption of power, should result in slower 100 mph to 150 mph time versus the M7.
On the 7:13.90 20.6 km "lap" at Nordschleife, the C7 Z06 topped out around 174 mph (280 kph) at 7:40 into the video below. I don't know if this was a heat issue causing timing to be pulled a bit.
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11-15-2018, 12:34 AM
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11-15-2018, 06:37 AM
#85
You're referring to Mr gizmo calling his car miss piggy. Not me.
Lol you cant even get your own argument right lmao
11-15-2018, 06:40 AM
#86
There's also the issue of the A8, which is faster for 0 to 100 mph (traction limited to around 60 mph, is the A8 just a bit smoother in getting the power down to the pavement?), but once at 100 mph, the C7 Z06 is well beyond it's traction limits, and the A8's consumption of power, should result in slower 100 mph to 150 mph time versus the M7.
On the 7:13.90 20.6 km "lap" at Nordschleife, the C7 Z06 topped out around 174 mph (280 kph) at 7:40 into the video below. I don't know if this was a heat issue causing timing to be pulled a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8PbFRVEimg
11-15-2018, 06:48 AM
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11-15-2018, 07:44 AM
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Lol dont change the subject. You slipped up. Might wanna work on your memory haha
11-15-2018, 08:06 AM
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11-15-2018, 08:17 AM
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Lol that's what I figured.
11-15-2018, 10:22 AM
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Road & Track performance data for the C7 Z06 notes the Z07 option reduces top speed by 9 mph, from 195 mph to 186 mph. I assume that is aero stage 3 versus aero stage 1.
The C7 Z06 has about a 15% power to weight advantage (including driver). The C6 Z06 has a top speed of 198 mph, in 5th gear at 6300 rpm, the rpm of peak horsepower. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines at 186 mph in 5th gear, while 186 mph in 6th gear is 5400 rpm, and 195 mph at 5661 rpm, both below the 6400 rpm of peak power, so the C7 Z06 M7 is not geared for top speed. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines in 4th gear at 150 mph, so that should help in a 0 to 150 mph run. Ignoring drive train losses, power is proportional to speed^3. Based on this assumption, at 100 mph the C6 Z06 is losing about 12.9% of it's power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 15.5% of it's power to drag, reducing the C7 Z06's remaining power to weight advantage to about 14.5%. At 150 mph, the C6 Z06 is losing about 43.5% of it's peak power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 52.4% of it's peak power to drag, reducing it's power to weight advantage to about 12.6%, but that's still an advantage for the C7 Z06.
0 to 60 is traction limited on both cars, so it depends on the tires, and I recall something like 3.4 seconds for the C6 and 3.1 for the C7 (manual). Some C6 owners switched to Nitto NT05's which may have as much grip as the MPSS tires on the C7 Z06, but that's speculation. I've seen a range of numbers for 0 to 150 mph, with one source reporting 17.7 for the C6 versus 17.1 for the C7 (I don't recall the source). Acceleration times web site has much slower numbers, like 22.8 C6 versus 22.5 C7, versus 18.6 C6 ZR1.
There's also the issue of the A8, which is faster for 0 to 100 mph (traction limited to around 60 mph, is the A8 just a bit smoother in getting the power down to the pavement?), but once at 100 mph, the C7 Z06 is well beyond it's traction limits, and the A8's consumption of power, should result in slower 100 mph to 150 mph time versus the M7.
On the 7:13.90 20.6 km "lap" at Nordschleife, the C7 Z06 topped out around 174 mph (280 kph) at 7:40 into the video below. I don't know if this was a heat issue causing timing to be pulled a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8PbFRVEimg
The C7 Z06 has about a 15% power to weight advantage (including driver). The C6 Z06 has a top speed of 198 mph, in 5th gear at 6300 rpm, the rpm of peak horsepower. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines at 186 mph in 5th gear, while 186 mph in 6th gear is 5400 rpm, and 195 mph at 5661 rpm, both below the 6400 rpm of peak power, so the C7 Z06 M7 is not geared for top speed. The C7 Z06 M7 redlines in 4th gear at 150 mph, so that should help in a 0 to 150 mph run. Ignoring drive train losses, power is proportional to speed^3. Based on this assumption, at 100 mph the C6 Z06 is losing about 12.9% of it's power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 15.5% of it's power to drag, reducing the C7 Z06's remaining power to weight advantage to about 14.5%. At 150 mph, the C6 Z06 is losing about 43.5% of it's peak power to drag, while the C7 Z06 is losing about 52.4% of it's peak power to drag, reducing it's power to weight advantage to about 12.6%, but that's still an advantage for the C7 Z06.
0 to 60 is traction limited on both cars, so it depends on the tires, and I recall something like 3.4 seconds for the C6 and 3.1 for the C7 (manual). Some C6 owners switched to Nitto NT05's which may have as much grip as the MPSS tires on the C7 Z06, but that's speculation. I've seen a range of numbers for 0 to 150 mph, with one source reporting 17.7 for the C6 versus 17.1 for the C7 (I don't recall the source). Acceleration times web site has much slower numbers, like 22.8 C6 versus 22.5 C7, versus 18.6 C6 ZR1.
There's also the issue of the A8, which is faster for 0 to 100 mph (traction limited to around 60 mph, is the A8 just a bit smoother in getting the power down to the pavement?), but once at 100 mph, the C7 Z06 is well beyond it's traction limits, and the A8's consumption of power, should result in slower 100 mph to 150 mph time versus the M7.
On the 7:13.90 20.6 km "lap" at Nordschleife, the C7 Z06 topped out around 174 mph (280 kph) at 7:40 into the video below. I don't know if this was a heat issue causing timing to be pulled a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8PbFRVEimg
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11-15-2018, 02:15 PM
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Here is my post from another thread from the Zr1 section, which i believe a few in this thread commented in as well.
Both cars are stock. The c6z is a 2013 and the c7z is a manual 2017 stage 1 aero
View from c6z
View from the c6z
View from c7z
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Psa...w?usp=drivesdk
Both cars are stock. The c6z is a 2013 and the c7z is a manual 2017 stage 1 aero
View from c6z
View from the c6z
View from c7z
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Psa...w?usp=drivesdk
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11-15-2018, 03:03 PM
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The back straight at the Nordschleife, Döttinger Höhe, is slightly uphill and pretty exposed to headwinds (moreso than most of the rest of the track), so that might play a minor role as well.
11-15-2018, 03:16 PM
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Here is my post from another thread from the Zr1 section, which is believe a few in this thread commented in as well.
Both cars are stock. The c6z is a 2013 and the c7z is a manual 2017 stage 1 aero
View from c6z
View from the c6z
View from c7z
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Psa...w?usp=drivesdk
Both cars are stock. The c6z is a 2013 and the c7z is a manual 2017 stage 1 aero
View from c6z
View from the c6z
View from c7z
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Psa...w?usp=drivesdk
As opposed to this Video posted at the top of the thread.
In both videos from what BigSlimm posted and I initially posted above, both C7Z's were taking off in 2nd from about 40 mph.
Its obvious both C7z owners had their foot to the floor on both cars.
In the video at the top of the thread where the C7z gets its *** handed to it be a c6 Z, -- maybe that car was heat soaked, or the intercooler wasn't full or the 2013C6z06 in Slimm's video wasnt as strong as the Blue C6Z with the great looking wheels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUDP...be&app=desktop
I think 3Z06Zr1 has the right idea for miss piggy to make her light on her feet when she goes dancing so she doesn't get overheated and out of breath moving around &-- thats a magnuson 2300.
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11-15-2018, 05:12 PM
#95
LOL.
You guys keep ignoring the fact that in the first run (at freeze frame 41 seconds) the C7Z activated traction control because it was spinning.
Game should have been over at that point but the 7Z was reeling the 6Z in anyway before they knocked it off at 125ish mph.
In the second pull the 7Z starts in 3rd gear at 54ish mph (freeze frame 1:07). He should have gone to 2nd like he did in the first pull.
No reason whatsoever to start a roll race in third at 56 mph in the 7Z. Think about it, 1st is good for over 60 mph, second is good for over 90 mph.
Why are we starting a race in third when theoretically we are within a hair of being able to go to 1st? (I am exaggerating here to make the point).
Bottom line is the first pull is disqualified because traction control pulled throttle for at least 2 seconds. (any of you that have hit TC before know exactly what I mean here).
The second pull is disqualified because the driver (unintentionally or otherwise) started the race in the wrong gear (3rd instead of 2nd).
So there are a few conclusions we can draw from this...... but one of them aint.....a 7Z is slower than a 6Z. LOL.
You guys keep ignoring the fact that in the first run (at freeze frame 41 seconds) the C7Z activated traction control because it was spinning.
Game should have been over at that point but the 7Z was reeling the 6Z in anyway before they knocked it off at 125ish mph.
In the second pull the 7Z starts in 3rd gear at 54ish mph (freeze frame 1:07). He should have gone to 2nd like he did in the first pull.
No reason whatsoever to start a roll race in third at 56 mph in the 7Z. Think about it, 1st is good for over 60 mph, second is good for over 90 mph.
Why are we starting a race in third when theoretically we are within a hair of being able to go to 1st? (I am exaggerating here to make the point).
Bottom line is the first pull is disqualified because traction control pulled throttle for at least 2 seconds. (any of you that have hit TC before know exactly what I mean here).
The second pull is disqualified because the driver (unintentionally or otherwise) started the race in the wrong gear (3rd instead of 2nd).
So there are a few conclusions we can draw from this...... but one of them aint.....a 7Z is slower than a 6Z. LOL.
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11-15-2018, 06:17 PM
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Even had a C2 and a 1990 c4 with an L98 with a whopping 225hp(What a dog that thing was) Stock -5.0 mustangs of the day would blow the doors off that thing back in the day.
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11-16-2018, 09:00 AM
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11-16-2018, 10:41 AM
#100
he actually loves his car. But maybe where he lives or the people he hangs out with hates his car. So what he does is play that role of hate online in order to inherit any defense made for the car that he can use in his personal life.
he might not have known all the "facts" about the c7z vs the c6z so in order to get those facts so he can use it in real life, he has to play the villian here.
idk lol.