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Old 11-15-2018, 05:16 PM
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Default Full Bolt-On M3 versus C7 Z06 A8

I have a feeling the M3 was spraying on the second run ...

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A8 overheated on the second run. lol
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:09 PM
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I been preaching about that brick wall lol.

Great video though. Awesome editing. Wish it was longer though. But i actually expected this. Those german power sedans are highway missiles. They're meant for the autobahn. I'm not even surprised it did that well.

But someone suggests to just leave it in D for you A8 guys, as it might turn better times. Using the paddles to an unresponsive or delayed effect won't yield good results lol.
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Very cool video. Starting at 60 in an A8 is an awkward spot. Really too fast for 2nd and too slow for 3rd. Have you ever tried starting in M during a roll and then quickly shifting to D after the initial start, allowing the auto to take over? I’ve had best results that way just letting the auto take control.
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Do you have the stage 3 bridge on the rear? I couldn't tell. If so, that's why you lost so much ground up to. Happens to every c7 running stage 3 aero. Even the stage 2 is hugely detrimental above 100 mph or so. A stage 1 z06 will put at least a car on an identical stage 3 z06.

Also, he probably has multiple maps and turned up the boost 2nd run.
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Old 11-15-2018, 07:21 PM
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At least the Vette looks better.
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Old 11-15-2018, 08:23 PM
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Got rid of one of these for my Z06. They do mod pretty easy and the DCT is light years ahead of the auto in the C7. Had Chevy put one in the Z it would be a tough choice.
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Old 11-15-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by saleen556 View Post
Got rid of one of these for my Z06. They do mod pretty easy and the DCT is light years ahead of the auto in the C7. Had Chevy put one in the Z it would be a tough choice.
If they put the DCT in either the z06 or the zr1, there really isn't a need to buy any other car within it's price range. It would be lights out better than it already is. Talking about the ZR1. The z06 would still have a couple of flaws if it was equipped with a DCT.

But the ZR1 with a DCT? Forget about it. It might go down as the greatest corvette of all time. But too late now.

At least there's hope again with the C8.
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meh.

Define "fbo". downpipes and piggy?

or downpipes, flash tune? big difference.


Ran an m4 from a 40 the other day at the track, gave him the gap. He accused me of not being stock. He said he was, and that was a flat out lie. I actually have it on gp video. Loser


just watched the beginning of the video, 600 whp m3 he is definitely running a flash tune and alternative fueling. thats a far cry for "fbo" imo


Tell him put run the pump tune from 40 and see what happens.



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oh, and also.. more importantly.. where the hell can i get those paddles???? and do they make any noise when shifting like the retarded stock ones do?
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Originally Posted by Chonger View Post
Very cool video. Starting at 60 in an A8 is an awkward spot. Really too fast for 2nd and too slow for 3rd. Have you ever tried starting in M during a roll and then quickly shifting to D after the initial start, allowing the auto to take over? Ive had best results that way just letting the auto take control.
the c7z is just a Cadillac 2 door cruiser.

Not good for roll racing.



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Old 11-15-2018, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Chonger View Post
Very cool video. Starting at 60 in an A8 is an awkward spot. Really too fast for 2nd and too slow for 3rd. Have you ever tried starting in M during a roll and then quickly shifting to D after the initial start, allowing the auto to take over? Ive had best results that way just letting the auto take control.
Yes, I think it was noted in the first race 3rd gear at 60mph is not ideal. An ideal roll speed for the A8 is 40-45 in 2nd gear.

The next time I race I will definitely do the M to D trick.

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Do you have the stage 3 bridge on the rear? I couldn't tell. If so, that's why you lost so much ground up to. Happens to every c7 running stage 3 aero. Even the stage 2 is hugely detrimental above 100 mph or so. A stage 1 z06 will put at least a car on an identical stage 3 z06.

Also, he probably has multiple maps and turned up the boost 2nd run.
I always run stage 1 spoiler for straight line events. I'm too lazy to do the front winglets though.

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meh.

Define "fbo". downpipes and piggy?

or downpipes, flash tune? big difference.


Ran an m4 from a 40 the other day at the track, gave him the gap. He accused me of not being stock. He said he was, and that was a flat out lie. I actually have it on gp video. Loser


just watched the beginning of the video, 600 whp m3 he is definitely running a flash tune and alternative fueling. thats a far cry for "fbo" imo


Tell him put run the pump tune from 40 and see what happens.
I define anything that doesn't touch the internals of the engine as a bolt on. Getting tuned for alternative fueling whether it's E85 or race fuel to me is a bolt on modification although I would make a note of the fuel used during the race.

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oh, and also.. more importantly.. where the hell can i get those paddles???? and do they make any noise when shifting like the retarded stock ones do?
Those are just stick on extensions. Any paddle extensions for a Camaro will work. We share the same paddles.
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Old 11-15-2018, 10:47 PM
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Was this at Slipstream last month? Down pipes and an E85 tune and those M3s are no joke.


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Old 11-15-2018, 11:40 PM
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awesome editing on the video! wheels look great on the car too! Wish i had got up there on that track when i lived in NY.
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Old 11-16-2018, 03:51 AM
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I’ve got an m7 zo6 x pipe/ halltech, as well as a bone stock m4 dct. First, at any speed, any gear, except the z in 7th, it’s no contest. Not close. We’ve dynoed the m4, it’s 379 at the wheels on a mustang dyno. Figure a stock zo6 even a crappy build, crappy gas is pushing 500 plus to the wheels. So for that m3 , given that the reported curb weights are within what, 100lbs, to stay with you or get ahead, you either got snookered by the driver or by the mods... to bust you like that he’d have to be making same as you at the wheels, plus maybe even. I’m not sure that fbo gets close. A stage 3 Dinan package advertises 548 hp at the crank(?). The z should have the m by near 100hp still. I’m sure people realize what an extra 100hp looks like at any speed. For comparison, Indy car “push to pass” added 20 hp....
something stinks in this video, but great production values, ��
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Originally Posted by Plstxmd View Post
Ive got an m7 zo6 x pipe/ halltech, as well as a bone stock m4 dct. First, at any speed, any gear, except the z in 7th, its no contest. Not close. Weve dynoed the m4, its 379 at the wheels on a mustang dyno. Figure a stock zo6 even a crappy build, crappy gas is pushing 500 plus to the wheels. So for that m3 , given that the reported curb weights are within what, 100lbs, to stay with you or get ahead, you either got snookered by the driver or by the mods... to bust you like that hed have to be making same as you at the wheels, plus maybe even. Im not sure that fbo gets close. A stage 3 Dinan package advertises 548 hp at the crank(?). The z should have the m by near 100hp still. Im sure people realize what an extra 100hp looks like at any speed. For comparison, Indy car push to pass added 20 hp....
something stinks in this video, but great production values, ��
That M3 can make 500 rwhp or more easily with FBO. Down pipes, e85, and a tune already put the car at 500+ rwhp.

My last car was an F30 335i and was making 550 rwhp. But that was a stage 2 turbo, port injection, stage 2 lpfp, downpipes, larger fmic, e85, and more.
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Originally Posted by Plstxmd View Post
Ive got an m7 zo6 x pipe/ halltech, as well as a bone stock m4 dct. First, at any speed, any gear, except the z in 7th, its no contest. Not close. Weve dynoed the m4, its 379 at the wheels on a mustang dyno. Figure a stock zo6 even a crappy build, crappy gas is pushing 500 plus to the wheels. So for that m3 , given that the reported curb weights are within what, 100lbs, to stay with you or get ahead, you either got snookered by the driver or by the mods... to bust you like that hed have to be making same as you at the wheels, plus maybe even. Im not sure that fbo gets close. A stage 3 Dinan package advertises 548 hp at the crank(?). The z should have the m by near 100hp still. Im sure people realize what an extra 100hp looks like at any speed. For comparison, Indy car push to pass added 20 hp....
something stinks in this video, but great production values, ��
You're right, something doesn't make sense and I mentioned that a few times in the description and end of video. I asked him a few times about his mods and he was very vague and mysterious about it, so there has to be something else going on. All he said was 600whp on stock turbos.

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That M3 can make 500 rwhp or more easily with FBO. Down pipes, e85, and a tune already put the car at 500+ rwhp.

My last car was an F30 335i and was making 550 rwhp. But that was a stage 2 turbo, port injection, stage 2 lpfp, downpipes, larger fmic, e85, and more.
In your opinion then, do you feel like he was spraying for the second run? How did he pull that much? The A8 didn't overheat, there was at least 15 minutes or so of cool down in 45F weather.
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The A8 must be in Performance Shift Mode then a different outcome. Not sure why very few actually use or know about Performance Shift Mode? It makes a big difference when roll racing.
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Why does anyone spend crazy money, trash a factory warranty, and go through all the BS it takes to tune and modify one of those pip squeak BMW motors when you can just go out and buy a Z06 with a real motor and go bananas with a full driveline warranty intact. What am I missing?
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Originally Posted by punky View Post
Why does anyone spend crazy money, trash a factory warranty, and go through all the BS it takes to tune and modify one of those pip squeak BMW motors when you can just go out and buy a Z06 with a real motor and go bananas with a full driveline warranty intact. What am I missing?
Then you can mod the Z06 easier. MEH thread!
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