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C7 Z06 vs C6 Z06 - My definitive position

 
Old 01-30-2019, 07:37 AM
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The C6 ZR1 is the car to compare to the C7 Z06 both supercharged.
I have owned both ZO6s C6 and C7.
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Old 01-30-2019, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn View Post

Part throttle instant shifts are non interesting. I only hear people complaining about upshift times when they are driving at part throttle.
after test driving several automatics this is exactly why I didnít buy an automatic. Part or light throttle upshifts using the paddles in manual mode lagged, it was slower then manually shifting my dadís 72 olds 442 with the hurst dual gate shifter that sat on top of the turbo 400 3 speed automatic as I remember it behaved under light throttle. The c7zís I test drove hunted around for gears if left in drive under moderate or light acceleration. 2015 and 2016 chevy cruze automatics in rental cars with 6speed automatics behaved better driving around in traffic. full throttle upshifts in the c7z automatic were quite good.


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Old 01-30-2019, 09:07 AM
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Each generation gets better. Deal with it..lol..
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by acz06 View Post
Each generation gets better. Deal with it..lol..
Exactly.

And when the C8 comes out, the C7 will be like what the C6 is to us now.

Time to get with the......times lol

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Old 01-30-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn View Post
How slow is it on upshifts at wide open throttle? That is when it counts. Part throttle instant shifts are non interesting. I only hear people complaining about upshift times when they are driving at part throttle. Very few ever have the cajones to hold the pedal to the floor long enough to get any wide open throttle upshifts. As far as downshifts as long as they are the same speed as somebody shifting a manual transmission and predictable that is sufficient. Previous transmissions weren't very predictable when the shift would happen. On the C5 and C6 there were times when a driver would initiate a downshift at a particular point in the braking zone and the transmission would sometimes downshift as soon as the shift was initiated and sometimes it wouldn't downshift until after the driver got back on the throttle exiting the corner and the sudden downshift at the wrong time would break the rear wheels loose and spin the car. If the timing is always the same then the driver can predict where the downshift will occur and plan accordingly.

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Why would only full throttle shifts matter?

Are you suggesting that you either are using 100hp OR 650hp when driving your z06? And nothing in between?

If you're merging on the highway, or want to pass someone, is the only option is to go WOT? Like you said, you need to have cojones to go WOT in our cars, even in the best of road conditions. Why wouldn't you want a faster shifting trans that shifts fast, idk, all the time???

Why would i want a trans that sounds/feels/is sluggish in any other time other than WOT?? That makes zero sense to me.

That's why DCT's are available. If gives you that sense of urgency, ALL THE TIME. It's the best of all worlds. Fast when you want it, and still fast when you don't even need it/think about it.

If the suggestion is that fast shifts at ONLY WOT matters most, then every Z owner should just convert their car to a dedicated drag car. Because that's what it seems like that's the general consensus. Who needs to drive their Z on the street if fast shifts don't matter and not everyone has the ***** to go WOT anyway. Might as well just not use the car on the street.

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Old 01-30-2019, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RobGZ06 View Post
Exactly.

And when the C8 comes out, the C7 will be like what the C6 is to us now.

Time to get with the......times lol
C4 was a big step up from the latest versions of the c3 on handling and performance especially the c4 zr-1.
C5 was solid improvement over the c4
c6 was better - actually a considerable improvement.
C7 - more technically advanced with bells and whistles but more technical is not always better. It was a sideways move at best over the c6. The B team was working on the c7 project while the A team was assigned the c8.

I am hoping the c8 will be a big step up seeing how the A team is on that project.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Gizmo View Post


C4 was a big step up from the latest versions of the c3 on handling and performance especially the c4 zr-1.
C5 was solid improvement over the c4
c6 was better - actually a considerable improvement.
C7 - more technically advanced with bells and whistles but more technical is not always better. It was a sideways move at best over the c6. The B team was working on the c7 project while the A team was assigned the c8.

I am hoping the c8 will be a big step up seeing how the A team is on that project.
I think the A team had their hands on the C7 ZR1 though. They engineered that car better than our z06's.

Even the 6th gen ZL1. How come that car was engineered better than our z06's??? Our cars do look better for sure but camaro guys were lucky with that car. It's an incredible machine.

Can't wait to see the C8 already.
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Gizmo View Post


C4 was a big step up from the latest versions of the c3 on handling and performance especially the c4 zr-1.
C5 was solid improvement over the c4
c6 was better - actually a considerable improvement.
C7 - more technically advanced with bells and whistles but more technical is not always better. It was a sideways move at best over the c6. The B team was working on the c7 project while the A team was assigned the c8.

I am hoping the c8 will be a big step up seeing how the A team is on that project.
Please stop. When a c7 z51 runs the same lap times as a c6 Z06 how can that be a sideways move?
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:29 PM
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Please stop. When a c7 z51 runs the same lap times as a c6 Z06 how can that be a sideways move?
c7z51 is a real lap dog
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:01 AM
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@BrunoTheMellow Maybe you're not familiar with Gizmo, but he's a real C7 hater and you'll never convince him it's better than the C6 in any way, and if he does say one particular aspect is better, it will be a trivial one and he'll attach a caveat with it. No point in wasting your breath.
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I remember back in 82......
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:01 PM
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Tony , the first 2 comparisons (interior and exterior) were very good. How is the 3rd comparison performance (stock c6z versus stock c7z) coming along?
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C7z out performs c6z.. simple as dat!
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by acz06 View Post
C7z out performs c6z.. simple as dat!
stock c7z 178 mph texas mile Ė k&n intake.



stock c7z 157mph texas mile

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Old 02-17-2019, 05:13 PM
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Why the hell does the C7 have its grille TAPED OFF?? Also the 157, it looks to me, is the half mile speed and the 1 mile speed is 184


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Originally Posted by Toddiesel View Post
Why the hell does the C7 have all it's cooling TAPED OFF??
He doesnt need much cooling for a 1 mile pass. It's to help aero.
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Originally Posted by BrunoTheMellow View Post
He doesnt need much cooling for a 1 mile pass. It's to help aero.
Interesting. Well, either way it beat the C6
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Originally Posted by Mr. Gizmo View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QwcgOX5AbQ stock c7z 178 mph texas mile Ė k&n intake.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY0ox4bgOn4 stock c7z 157mph texas mile
Did you even watch the video ? 178 for c6z with Cai which can be good for 30 hp on that engine , 184 for c7z with no mods whatsoever.

Try again.

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Originally Posted by BrunoTheMellow View Post
Did you even watch the video ? 178 for c6z with Cai which can be good for 30 hp on that engine , 184 for c7z with no mods whatsoever.
Zackly. But Gizmo HATES his C7 so he has rose colored glasses for the C6. You could show definitive proof that the C7 is better in literally every way (not saying it actually is, but IF you had it) and he'd be like "but, C6..."
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Originally Posted by RobGZ06 View Post
Why would only full throttle shifts matter?

Are you suggesting that you either are using 100hp OR 650hp when driving your z06? And nothing in between?

NO

If you're merging on the highway, or want to pass someone, is the only option is to go WOT? Like you said, you need to have cojones to go WOT in our cars, even in the best of road conditions. Why wouldn't you want a faster shifting trans that shifts fast, idk, all the time???

I have an M7 and when I want to pass I use the throttle and don't downshift. The engine has sufficient torque that there is no need to downshift when driving in 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th. There isn't any SUV, CUV or sedan that will cause it a problem. If somebody wants to speed up to keep me from passing I just add more throttle. Now if I am in a passing situation on a two lane 55 mph speed limit road with a car going 45 mph in front of me I will downshift by pushing in the clutch and moving the shifter to third when I see the potential opening ahead. As the vehicle heading in the opposite direction clears the car in front of me I am on the throttle and heading for the gap between the two and will be wide open while passing the other car to get back into line ASAP. I like to limit my time in the kill zone. Now if I can dawdle around with a manual shifter doing that why worry about a faster but acknowledged automatic that shifts slow at part throttle? There is no need for the big roar in most passing situations.

Why would i want a trans that sounds/feels/is sluggish in any other time other than WOT?? That makes zero sense to me.

Mainly because the sudden torque change that comes with an automatic downshift can way too much for a normal or even an inexperienced driver to handle. The only thing the downshift needs to be is predictable. It may take 3 seconds to shift but if I know it is 3 seconds every time that is all I need.

That's why DCT's are available. If gives you that sense of urgency, ALL THE TIME. It's the best of all worlds. Fast when you want it, and still fast when you don't even need it/think about it.

If the suggestion is that fast shifts at ONLY WOT matters most, then every Z owner should just convert their car to a dedicated drag car. Because that's what it seems like that's the general consensus. Who needs to drive their Z on the street if fast shifts don't matter and not everyone has the ***** to go WOT anyway. Might as well just not use the car on the street.

As I said before if you are at part throttle you aren't serious about performance and that doesn't have anything to do with drag racing. If a person can't drive an automatic like a manual which means paying attention to what is happening ahead and planning when to down shift before the opening occurs they really aren't involved in the car and can't really be all that serious. I take it you don't use the paddle to downshift until it is time to pass Vs being prepared like you would be with a manual transmission. Planning ahead means you don't need to have a fast downshift and a lazy upshift because the pass is over and you are already breathing off the throttle. Now when you are on a track where your intent is to get to from one corner exit to the next corner entry as fast as possible you don't want a lazy shift but again you are wide open because if you aren't wide open you really aren't serious about getting there as fast as possible.
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