Z0HS1CK

I'm not arguing. This is a car forum, how serious can this really be? lol

I just saw my name in one of your quotes and responded to it. Not sure where the disagreement was other than you said you think my argument/definition of the word supercar was off. Then i explained how it isn't.

SuperdadZ06

blah, blah, blah, blah, guys head over to the Porsche forum...........................

traind

Supercar is a term car magazines created to.... wait for it.... sell more car magazines. It is an artificial term similar to any marketing speak. There is no real way to define it. I love Ferraris and McLaren's but at the end of the day they are largely very expensive toys geared toward far less than 1% of the world's population. On top of that, the average one of these cars sits as a garage Queen. Fantastic performance is engineered in and it is never used by the vast majority of people who own them. In an article on Ferraris a salesperson was quoted as saying" the typical Ferrari owner buys these cars because you can't" .

So over the years, even though I'm always interested to see the latest exotic car, I have really come to appreciate the automobiles that provide excellent engineering and performance but do it in an approachable manner as far as cost. I am much more impressed with cars that the typical person can realistically aspire to that offer fantastic value and performance. These are the cars that are super in my mind.

SuperdadZ06

Well said.

punky

Shouldn't we in fact be praising American Engineering that gives us a world class sports car for the price of Boxster.

Z0HS1CK

that totally is irrelevant to what the definition is lol.

we know the Corvette, especially a z06 is a bang for buck sportscar.

were talking about if it's a supercar. And it's not. The fact that ferraris are and our cars are no where near what those cars are means it's not. Regardless of 1/4 times. A hellcat can run low 11s or high 10s stock with a tire. Is that a supercar?

answer that before proceeding.

Parcival

So, you're all about marketing definitions. I don't see a Merriam Webster definition or even anything that would stand up on Scrabble-- just a RobGirlZ06 which unfortunately is suspect.

Let me cite urban dictionary, which sounds the Nth power more credible than RobGZ06's definition. One can see that from the definition that a supercar is more disputable than a guy handled RobGZ06 would have us believe. "" right back at ya.

"supercar
A supercar is a term used for a sports car, typically an exotic or rare one, whose performance is highly superior to its contemporary sports cars. The proper application of this term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. In addition, the use of the term is dependent on the era; a vehicle that is considered to be a supercar at one time may not retain its superiority in the future. Nonetheless, the automotive press frequently calls new exotic cars "supercars".
Bugatti Veyron
Koenigsegg CCX
Pagani Zonda F
Enzo Ferrari (F60)
Porsche Carerra GT
Mercedes McLaren SLR

These are probably the six most undisputed supercars at the time of this entry.
#supercar
#bugatti
#koenigsegg
#pagani
#ferrari
#porsche
#mercedes
#lamborghini
by SurgicTube August 20, 2006"

Road machine

Ok I will bring up Merceces and BMW....I bought my wife a 2008 M3 convertable a few year ago. SMG transmission convertable triple black. The car was a POS. Very expensive for any reprairs, and it went through every single Coil pack (6) at $1200 each. Interior was very boring, and though it came almost no standard items most would expect (nav, heated seats, blue tooth) we loaded it up to the tune of an additional 15K for things that are standard on almost everything else . We traded that in for a Mercedes SLK 550AMG. Nice fast car but the interior was so boring it put me to sleep behind the wheel. Parts of the interior broke. There is a little arm that passes the seat belt to you, and shortly after we bought it the car started handing us the plastic bezel that surrounds that arm. Regular services for the Mercedes were incredibly expensive, and the car developed a major oil leak at 60k miles. That cost $4500 to fix. The regular maintance showed a complete engine overhaul at 100k miles.

So as to the supercar status of the corvette Z06 all the following seem to disagree with you....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/spe...-vs-nismo-gt-r

https://www.businessinsider.com/ferr...ctures-2017-12

https://blog.dupontregistry.com/vide...rgini-huracan/

https://www.wired.com/2015/02/review...errari-killer/

http://carsort.com/compare/Ferrari-4...rolet-Corvette

And the Z06 is a special limited build as is the ZR1 so that classifies it as a supercar in most definitions. While I understand your self loathing and thus your hatred for your corvettes ( on a corvette sight by the way), the car magazines and most automotive experts have praised the Corvette Z06 widely and with great fan fare. Yes much of the praise comes with the added (for the price) moniker, but the for the price part is what makes the Z06 The world class bargain supercar that it is.

Z0HS1CK

Has nothing to do with marketing.

I explained in detail how a corvette can't be. Trust me i wish it was, but then i'd be foolish to believe so.

The corvette isn't rare. Even a Z06 doesn't have "limited" production numbers. A ZR1 is close but again, it's still essentially the same car but more power, better aero, more efficient cooling.

The car isn't expensive. Aside from the ZR1 and i even said it's not worth the price although i get why GM has to price it at that, because fully loaded z06's are right there in that price point, the ZR1 can't be the same price as a fully loaded z06.

The car doesn't have expensive materials.

The car is produced off an assembly line. The corvette has 4 trims. Stingray, GS, Z06, ZR1. We could have a separate argument on why the ZR1 is or isn't a supercar but i think we're mainly talking about the Z06, right? In which case, definitely not a supercar.

It isn't from an "elite" automaker. Again, it's a chevy, case closed.

You guys repeatedly are mistaking supercar looks and performance to what an actual supercar is. We are lucky that we can buy a car for under 100k that has supercar looks and performance. But what they have in terms of the performance and looks, lacks everywhere else. Something you guys are not understanding when you actually experience REAL supercars.

It will make your corvette feel like a corolla.

And again i'm not hating, i have a C7Z like you guys but jesus christ i'm not blind. The car has MANY flaws and it's not a supercar.

Dr. ice

Dr. ice

Dr. ice

Z0HS1CK

lol. I noticed that.

I just find it sad that there are MANY cars out there, and yet people only dwell on the car they own. I mean i get it. It's a psychological thing. Car owners feel insecure when they hear another car is better because then it makes them feel some type of way towards the car they own. So they build delusion and denial to make them feel better about the situation. It's crazy to witness.

I love my corvette but i know when there's better cars out there. Does that mean i all of a sudden hate my car? Not that all. We all have to stay in our lane.

I wish i owned a GT2RS but it's out of my price range. And it's clearly a better car than our Z06's and better than a ZR1. And i foresee it still being better than whatever GM has in store for the C8. Since everyone wants to keep mentioning porsche, i'll continue to do so.

A porsche 718 has better build quality than our z06's and it costs less (base model). No it's not a supercar but this is just a quick comparison, since everyone wants to mention porsche, of what they can do, even for a car that only costs 60k.

Drive one and you'll understand. And i bet if you go to your porsche dealer, you'll probably see one corvette in the lot, because one of us traded and upgraded to a porsche.

There are different classes for a reason and only a child will make comparisons based on 1/4 times alone. That's not what these cars are about, regardless of what they can actually do.

Dr. ice

punky

In what world is a Cayman a better car than a C7 Z06? Seriously troll, get a grip. Tell me about how great your little 4 cylinder puss car is. Unbelievable nonsense.

Z0HS1CK

Your reading comprehension sucks. I said it has better build quality, and it's a porsche. So it's more refined.

The C7Z looks better and has more power. That's about the only upsides to it comparing to the cayman.

Go experience other cars and stop living in corvette la la land.

Z0HS1CK

Yup. My neighbor had the 997 GT2. I forgot what mods he had but it was only bolt ons. I guess that's intake and exhaust? Car made me sick because of how hard it pulled. i Know cars feel faster when you're riding passenger but still. It was i think 07 or 08 and this was a couple of years ago so it wasn't new and the car felt solid. No rattles, no noise, interior sound was as if you're driving a lexus. That's when i knew porsche was on another level.

THAT CAR IS a supercar. Because it's rare, it's a porsche, and it's fast.

I don't know what i'm doing yet in terms of my next toy. I'm anxiously waiting on the C8 but who knows what the performance models will look like, be like, and priced at. If it's heading into like porsche territory, might as well get a porsche

But who knows. I do wanna upgrade to a C7ZR but idk about going from a C7 to another C7. It's starting not to make sense.

But then the 2020 GT500 with the DCT is looking like the performance bargain of the century. So idk yet.

It is exciting though that we get to be picky on what high hp cars we wanna buy next

I hope GM has up'ed their engineering with the C8 so it can compete with the germans. The C7 was heading in the right direction but fell way short.

Harbgrogan

punky

Oh, OK, the C7 "fell way short". Is that why a Corvette that can be purchased for 80k bitch slaps a $160, 000 Porsche? You are most entertaining but utterly clueless Dude.

Parcival