A C7 Z06 owner takes a C7 ZR1 for a drive. The difference is bigger than you think
07-12-2019, 08:06 PM
#41
I know they're both amazing. I have a z06 lol. If it wasn't amazing i would have not gotten one, or have sold/traded it a while ago. Although i still am once this warranty runs out.
I just know when there's better cars out there. I am open minded enough to admit, accept and praise that. Like the ZR1, 911 turbo
, a GTR etc.
It's only my opinion. Doesn't mean i hate my car. I love it. I just think there's tons of other cars out there that are better.
I just know when there's better cars out there. I am open minded enough to admit, accept and praise that. Like the ZR1, 911 turbo
, a GTR etc.It's only my opinion. Doesn't mean i hate my car. I love it. I just think there's tons of other cars out there that are better.
07-12-2019, 08:40 PM
#42
I know I'm gonna get flak for saying this here when it comes to people justifying their zr1 purchase but here goes. As an alternate Option you could always do a Callaway package in SC 757 for $20,000 and get slightly more horse power and more tq and keep your warranty and save about 30 $35,000 over aZr1. I had to say it.
Yes yes I know it’s still doesn’t have the ZR one name plate that said it has all of the other important aspects of it. Albeit without the extra cooling for the track.
And yes I have a Callaway and I guess I’m a little biased just being honest. That doesn’t take anything away from the ZR one I still think it’s an awesome car but to me personally it’s not worth 40 50,000 over a regular Z.
Yes yes I know it’s still doesn’t have the ZR one name plate that said it has all of the other important aspects of it. Albeit without the extra cooling for the track.
And yes I have a Callaway and I guess I’m a little biased just being honest. That doesn’t take anything away from the ZR one I still think it’s an awesome car but to me personally it’s not worth 40 50,000 over a regular Z.
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07-12-2019, 09:05 PM
#44
Melting Slicks
It’s all relative.
me in my z06 - “look at those poors in their narrow body corvettes without comp seats”
also me - “bet that guy in the zr1 can’t take me through that canyon”
me in my z06 - “look at those poors in their narrow body corvettes without comp seats”
also me - “bet that guy in the zr1 can’t take me through that canyon”
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07-16-2019, 10:42 AM
#45
07-16-2019, 11:37 AM
#46
Z06 is traction limited in 1st gear (assuming M7), and nearly so in 2nd gear. 0 to 60 mph should be about the same for both cars, and assuming ZR1 is traction limited in 2nd gear, it's not going to pull that much on the Z06 unitl 3rd gear. The Z06 has reached a point of diminishing returns. The C8's with all wheel drive will be able to handle the greater horsepower better.
07-16-2019, 03:53 PM
#47
Drifting
On larger road course, the ZR-1 is good for ~1-2 seconds vs the Z06.
As many who have switched have found out, that benefit doesn't come easily. Getting that additional power down is challenging and takes a lot of skill/seat time.
I went out with a fellow instructor in his ZR-1 recently @ VIR (full).
Compared to my Z06:
Corner speeds were roughly identical
Higher entry speeds into T1, T7, T14
Higher speed/greater stability coming through T9 (upper esses), and T10 South Bend
Later application of WOT on track out.
Fluid temps were just as high as in my 2018 M7 Z06
The main take away was the benefits of increased (but delayed) acceleration, and speed via aero & more HP/TQ.
The ZR-1 is a phenomenal car, but it's not a night/day difference vs a Z06.
As many who have switched have found out, that benefit doesn't come easily. Getting that additional power down is challenging and takes a lot of skill/seat time.
I went out with a fellow instructor in his ZR-1 recently @ VIR (full).
Compared to my Z06:
Corner speeds were roughly identical
Higher entry speeds into T1, T7, T14
Higher speed/greater stability coming through T9 (upper esses), and T10 South Bend
Later application of WOT on track out.
Fluid temps were just as high as in my 2018 M7 Z06
The main take away was the benefits of increased (but delayed) acceleration, and speed via aero & more HP/TQ.
The ZR-1 is a phenomenal car, but it's not a night/day difference vs a Z06.
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07-16-2019, 03:54 PM
#48
Z06 is traction limited in 1st gear (assuming M7), and nearly so in 2nd gear. 0 to 60 mph should be about the same for both cars, and assuming ZR1 is traction limited in 2nd gear, it's not going to pull that much on the Z06 unitl 3rd gear. The Z06 has reached a point of diminishing returns. The C8's with all wheel drive will be able to handle the greater horsepower better.
07-16-2019, 11:12 PM
#50
So what did we learn here? Answer, the Z06 owners like what they own. Value being the major point. So since we’re so focused on the subject of value / money here’ a nod to the ZR1. It will always retain that 45% increased value over the Z06 that was forked over at purchase.Maybe more due to 1 and done, king of the hill ya know silly stuff like that. Modded Z06’s? And ZR1’s? Kiss that money goodbye and then some. Nobody wants the Vette a stranger worked on. Not even the stranger who worked on it. Callaway owners disregard.
07-17-2019, 01:32 AM
#51
Speculation for the higher powered C8 (whatever the equivalent of a C8 ZR1), is that it will be all wheel drive. For rear wheel drive C8, I'm wondering how much better it will launch due to being mid-engine instead of front engine.
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07-17-2019, 06:28 AM
#52
More horsepower on a Z06 is like slapping bigger ***** on Kate Upton. I mean “really?”…..is that necessary?
I can’t get the power to the ground with what I have.
I’ll take my Z06 Vert and consider the Forgelines over stock wheels a more important upgrade than another 100 hp I can’t use.
I can’t get the power to the ground with what I have.
I’ll take my Z06 Vert and consider the Forgelines over stock wheels a more important upgrade than another 100 hp I can’t use.
07-17-2019, 07:31 AM
#53
More horsepower on a Z06 is like slapping bigger ***** on Kate Upton. I mean “really?”…..is that necessary?
I can’t get the power to the ground with what I have.
I’ll take my Z06 Vert and consider the Forgelines over stock wheels a more important upgrade than another 100 hp I can’t use.
I can’t get the power to the ground with what I have.
I’ll take my Z06 Vert and consider the Forgelines over stock wheels a more important upgrade than another 100 hp I can’t use.
07-17-2019, 09:38 AM
#55
I find this to be a bit frustrating, combined with traction control that on my car (2015 Z06 3LZ M7), takes 1/4 to almost 1/2 second of tire spin before it is enabled doing a roll on application of throttle in 1st gear. The newer motorcycles with traction control, react almost immediately (hundredths of a second), allowing a rider to go full throttle mid-turn. I don't know if all C7 Z06's take this long or it's just my car.
Looking at one of the online car sites, I see 200 new C7 ZR1's for sale (some a bit below MSRP, mostly ones that have been on the lot for over 60 days), and about 35 used for sale. I'm wondering what the total production numbers were.
Looking at one of the online car sites, I see 200 new C7 ZR1's for sale (some a bit below MSRP, mostly ones that have been on the lot for over 60 days), and about 35 used for sale. I'm wondering what the total production numbers were.
07-17-2019, 11:26 AM
#56
I find this to be a bit frustrating, combined with traction control that on my car (2015 Z06 3LZ M7), takes 1/4 to almost 1/2 second of tire spin before it is enabled doing a roll on application of throttle in 1st gear. The newer motorcycles with traction control, react almost immediately (hundredths of a second), allowing a rider to go full throttle mid-turn. I don't know if all C7 Z06's take this long or it's just my car.
Looking at one of the online car sites, I see 200 new C7 ZR1's for sale (some a bit below MSRP, mostly ones that have been on the lot for over 60 days), and about 35 used for sale. I'm wondering what the total production numbers were.
Looking at one of the online car sites, I see 200 new C7 ZR1's for sale (some a bit below MSRP, mostly ones that have been on the lot for over 60 days), and about 35 used for sale. I'm wondering what the total production numbers were.
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07-17-2019, 11:33 AM
#57
Melting Slicks
If you’re having tire problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but wheelspin ain’t one.
get your tires HOT. Chevy specd them even with super sports with a very high temperature compound.
if not then move to a R888r in 19” and you really won’t have grip issues.
get your tires HOT. Chevy specd them even with super sports with a very high temperature compound.
if not then move to a R888r in 19” and you really won’t have grip issues.
07-17-2019, 12:31 PM
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If you’re having tire problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but wheelspin ain’t one.
get your tires HOT. Chevy specd them even with super sports with a very high temperature compound.
if not then move to a R888r in 19” and you really won’t have grip issues.
get your tires HOT. Chevy specd them even with super sports with a very high temperature compound.
if not then move to a R888r in 19” and you really won’t have grip issues.
07-17-2019, 08:54 PM
#59
I did the roll on in 1st gear specifically to test traction control. Normally, I've got somewhat of a sense of how much throttle I can used based on the temperature (like 75+ degrees versus 60- degrees), and I avoid tire spin, but it's hard to match what TC can get once it's kicked in. It's not like I'm at a drag strip where I can do repeated runs under the same conditions to determine the limits of traction.
I assume you meant more like 100 ft lbs. In a straight line, bikes are wheelie limited, not traction limited, due to the high center of gravity transferring all of the weight to the rear tire (even in cool weather on cool tires). They use "wheelie control" for straight line acceleration. Traction control is for cornering, where near immediate reaction is needed, since even brief tire spin could cause loss of control. Power and torque to weight ratios are much higher for 1 liter+ sport bikes versus cars, but the actual numbers are much less as you pointed out. I'm wondering about the TC reaction time for other cars.
I assume you meant more like 100 ft lbs. In a straight line, bikes are wheelie limited, not traction limited, due to the high center of gravity transferring all of the weight to the rear tire (even in cool weather on cool tires). They use "wheelie control" for straight line acceleration. Traction control is for cornering, where near immediate reaction is needed, since even brief tire spin could cause loss of control. Power and torque to weight ratios are much higher for 1 liter+ sport bikes versus cars, but the actual numbers are much less as you pointed out. I'm wondering about the TC reaction time for other cars.
The Corvette TC reacts stupid fast. I can slam on the gas and the car wont spin out of control. Even let go of the wheel. What are you expecting? The car to predict loss of traction? Try the different modes.