joezr2

That wasn't a MINIvan, it was a Transit van!

1SG_Ret

Generally I look at HP to Torque comparo...always favoring a higher torque to HP number for faster acceleration especially when that number comes at a lower RPM. On the track, with engines routinely running w/ higher maintained RPM, that torque advantage diminishes.

The ZR1 is going to have a very tough time to get close the Porsche numbers much less besting it. IMO.

Drag race, the ZR1 may win...............

sunsalem

Nick Tandy has a reputation as being the finest, or one of the finest, 911 drivers in the world (which is how he landed a job in the LMP1 program).

Racingswh

That was great run by the Porsche. I enjoyed watching it. Looked like it hit for a moment 194 mph on the final straight. For reference the ACR-E could only muster around 170 mph.

I doubt the Corvette will be as fast as the Porsche. I am curious to see if GM even releases an official time.

One thing that struck me was how well behaved the Porsche seemed during that run. Apparently a very well sorted car.

jimmyb

I don't know how to quantify "superior handling". How about lap times?
In the best Apples to Apples contest I can think of (Car and Driver Lightning Lap 2016), the GT3RS was ONE TENTH of second faster than the GSZ07 around VIR Grand Course. Both cars were on Cup 2's, the Porsche has 40 more horsepower and weighs less. So, in this measurement, I question the "superior handling" claim.

jimmyb

If GM does release a time, it will NOT be the prototype shown.

BaylorCorvette

I'd give it less than a 1% chance. I'd be happy with a sub seven minute lap.

OnPoint

I agree. You'll look far and wide to find more of a Corvette homer than me, and you won't find him. And I don't think the ZR has a chance of matching that time. If the ZR lays down a time with "6" at the front of it, I think the Corvette family should regard that as pretty well done with this current platform.

The Porsche run is simply stupendous.

Hat tip to the boys in Stuttgart.

blueDelusions

There's no way. The Z06 was already at the limit of it's handling. I would be shocked if it hit 7 minutes. If it hits under 7 minutes I'll buy one.

64drvr

I think a 6:55-7:05 is likely. What a great run by Porsche and what a great time to be a car guy.

\Boost Monkey/

1. I question C&D lighting laps (and lots of their stuff, in general) to begin with.


2. That was the GS, not a Z06, so I'd suspect much more stable and well behaved than the 650/650 variant. It's a different car when you change the 465 numbers to 700... On the same chassis and suspension.

BrunoTheMellow

Pretty sure it was the SC2 ZPs. Same as the AMG GTR. They know GM and Michellin hit it out of the ballpark with that tire.

JetEngineJoel

With the amount of times GM has tuned the ZR1, taken it to the Ring, re-tuned the car, taken it back to the Ring, etc, .... my bet is they are struggling to break the 7 min mark.

Ultimately, I think they will get there but suspect expect something close to 6:59.

four0nefive

Or you know, maybe they're doing just that.... fine tuning the car.

sunsalem

I don't know whether or not they are struggling to hit some "mark."
But I agree it appears they are spending quite a bit of time/effort running off and on at the Ring.

Glenn Quagmire

I agree with those saying the car isn't likely to best the GT2RS. Purely speculation of course, but upper 6:50's seems more realistic...no small feat. And, I think to certain degree, it highlights the fact that getting more speed/better times out of this configuration is reaching a point of diminishing returns. Thus the reason for the move to an ME platform. Adding more power to a car that already struggles to put it to the ground is nearly as silly as making a 707 hp Cherokee.

Some of the old guys here just can't seem to reconcile the fact that even boosting to 1,000 HP can't overcome the challenges of the current array enough to compete at the elite level Corvette wants to be. In it's current state it can run over Challengers, Mustangs, Miata's and Carrera's at the track, but it can't hang with the top of the line ME exotics. Hell, make as many excuses as you want, but the GS nearly coming in last in MT's GDR7 is an utter disgrace.

Having said this, as a current owner of C7Z or former owner of a C6 ZR1...I still may buy the C7 ZR1...but only if the ME vette won't debut for a while. It's not really the car I want though. The one I want is a 700 hp ME that weighs less than 3,200 lbs. and can be serviced locally, without the hassle and risk of loading it onto an enclosed truck twice a year!!

\Boost Monkey/

You're not giving the GS near enough credit, nor is it meant to compete with Challengers, Mustangs, and Miatas.

The C7 GS is an extremely capable car, leaps above what a Corvette used to be and in fact DOES compete (and in some cases beat) the RMR engine cars considered exotics. It is an extrordinary achievement.

That being said, although it seriously narrowed a huge gap to the likes of the 911 variants with C7 version, it still isn't there. And nor does it NEED to be there for the super low price it comes in at. The fact that it is so close for WAY less money is more than any of us could ever ask for.

The fact that we are even debating any Corvette variant possibly competing with the best Porsche has to offer is a testament to what the C7 team has achieved... But let's not fool ourselves or get too greedy... We should not expect the ZR1 to beat the best Porsche has to offer, nor should we be upset if/when it doesn't.

Dethsupp0rt

Pretty much zero chance. The GT2 RS was just so stable, yet absolutely exploded out of the corners. That record is going to stand for awhile.

themonk

I for one don't compare like model to like model, I compare price to price of similar cars. Of course a 300k car is going to do better than one a third of it's price. It's asinine to compare top of the line to another top of the line when there's a price difference of double, absolutely NO ONE is cross shopping a ZR1 and GT3 RS, not a chance. In fact unless you've owned high end Porsche's before, good luck buying a new GT3 RS.

I believe that a Corvette with a base price of what, 58k should compete with a Cayman, not a 911. If I have 60k in my pocket I'm not looking at brand new 911's so why even compare the two? I never understood why people compare models based on "well they're kinda the same", makes no sense.

Quinten33

yeah this GT2 RS is basically sold out at about 1000 units, and you had to own a Porsche to get one.