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Old 11-11-2017, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by elegant
... the only additional information I am wanting is, 1) is there going to be a live reveal from Dubai, and 2) if so, where do I and others find that link.
I was/am wondering the same thing.

Might try the Corvette Facebook page or their Instagram page

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Old 11-11-2017, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jagamajajaran
What if there are multiple engine offerings in the ME like there are in the current Corvette lineup? We'll still have a manual tranny...but like I always say, time will tell.
Hmm. The only thing I know of is two engines, and that's if there are two cars. The Cadillac is for sure not getting a manual.

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LT1 Z51, I respectfully disagree with many of your ME supposed facts and suppositions. You acknowledge that information is hard to obtain, yet proceed to inform others that they are incorrect — not even knowing who/what their sources are. And yes, some of the very folks who you have disagreed with, have multiple and direct GM connections. Additionally, you are disputing factual information provided by some members who have a strong record of being accurate about Corvette information.

Moving back to this thread’s focus, the only additional information I am wanting is, 1) is there going to be a live reveal from Dubai, and 2) if so, where do I and others find that link.
I think my record of posts speaks for its self. I can't remember a time so far where I've actually been wrong. So you can try to spin this in a way that looks bad but it would only be because of personal bias of people on this site (either who appear to have close contacts with the industry or are moderators).

Know one thing, I don't BS, so if I say something is true then its true. The stipulation I can say is that its with the information I have available at the time.

Take a look at posts from me from 2012 and 2013, oh wait, you can't find any? There is a reason they all got deleted. I'll just leave it at that.

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Old 11-11-2017, 11:46 AM
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Unsubscribing. Due to Dubai.
Dubai ........ Dubai.
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I would be surprised if the ME car offers a manual for one simple reason....Corvette buyers are buying automatics at an 80% rate. I have no "insider" info, but common sense tells you that if 4 out of 5 customers choose automatics, why go through the cost and time to engineer a manual when not many want it. Ferrari made the same decision years ago....90% of their customers were buying F1 transmissions, the market spoke and they reacted. Of course, that didn't stop keyboard warriors from damning Ferrari for selling out, etc.
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Losing 20% of your base is nothing to sneeze at. No manual would mean no future Corvette for me. I am brand agnostic, but I am also very hard core on the manual transmission. I purchased and tried to love both DCTs and the modern paddle-shift autos. I can't love them even though they perform extremely well in other cars, not the A8. I find them boring, which is what brought me back to the C7.

I'll simply purchase the best performing manual, convertible on the market when I'm ready for another sports car after the C7.

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For 2017, 7% of Stingrays, 6% of Grand Sports, and 3% of Z06s were verts. If those percentages don't bring about the end of Corvette verts, I doubt 20% transmission numbers will bring about the end of the manual transmission.
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Thanks Jeremy, and yes that's the other thing. No convertible means no interest in another Corvette for me either.

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When the C7 was introduced, Tadge said in 2013 that while other brands are moving away from manuals, we are embracing them.

And Porsche is recently bringing back manuals to some of their models.
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Given that Corvette targets sales of 35-40K units a year, 20% (the actual number is closer to 27%) means more manual Corvettes are sold annually in the US than total Ferrari and Porsche car sales combined.
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Originally Posted by LT1 Z51
The Cadillac is for sure not getting a manual.
And it shouldn't.
Manuals don't belong in Cadillacs...they belong in GM's Chevrolet brand, if anywhere (IMO).

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran
For 2017, 7% of Stingrays, 6% of Grand Sports, and 3% of Z06s were verts.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
I suggest you re-read what you wrote...
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Losing 20% of your base is nothing to sneeze at. No manual would mean no future Corvette for me. I am brand agnostic, but I am also very hard core on the manual transmission. I purchased and tried to love both DCTs and the modern paddle-shift autos. I can't love them even though they perform extremely well in other cars, not the A8. I find them boring, which is what brought me back to the C7.

I'll simply purchase the best performing manual, convertible on the market when I'm ready for another sports car after the C7.
Unfortunately we soon won’t have any options. I can see a day when even the pony cars don’t have manuals. It’s coming, and unfortunately faster than I’d like. The new M5 speaks volumes in this regard.

So if no one offers a manual except in a FWD car or an off-roader (like a Wrangler). What do you buy? Old cars?
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I've been a Corvette fan since I was a kid, and a Corvette owner for +25 years, so you could call me a 'huge' fan.

That said, if Corvette stopped offering a manual transmission, my next car would likely be a manual Porsche. I've tried the DSG's and PSK's... they just don't give me the level of driving fun\engagement that a clutch pedal does, even if the autos are a little 'faster' around a track or dragstrip. For my personal needs, I would be giving up 50% of my desired flavor of driving enjoyment for a 5% decrease in lap times. Not a trade I am in any way interested or willing to make.

For me, I'd rather drive a 400hp sportscar with a manual than a 500hp sportscar with an automatic.

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Originally Posted by jagamajajaran
For 2017, 7% of Stingrays, 6% of Grand Sports, and 3% of Z06s were verts. If those percentages don't bring about the end of Corvette verts, I doubt 20% transmission numbers will bring about the end of the manual transmission.
The problem isn’t the sales of Corvettes. The problem is the sales across the board. Manuals used to be cheaper to manufacture. No longer, and as more models drop them the investment in the supply base dwindles. It becomes a death spiral. You need people to invest in a technology for it to survive.

Convertibles are totally different, they aren’t essential, but industry wise they will never go away. Therefore the supply base will continue to innovate and invest in them.
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Originally Posted by Foosh
I'll simply purchase the best performing manual, convertible on the market when I'm ready for another sports car after the C7.


Same for me except not necessarily a convertible.

But no manual tranny would mean no Corvette for Jim either.

I know that we are a small part of the overall market but we are some of the most committed owners and I think car makers are shortsighted and greedy if they don't make a car that I want to buy.

Whichever way this one goes is fine with me though. Unlike a lot of people on the forum my next car does not have to be a Chevy.
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Originally Posted by LT1 Z51
I think my record of posts speaks for its self. I can't remember a time so far where I've actually been wrong.
Then there is no reason for all other forum members to post any facts that might be different than anything within your posts.

I am a mere mortal and I admit it, I make mistakes. I have made them in the past, and I am sure I will again in the future. (And I sure I made a least one today too.)

I just “tapped out,” e.g., unsubscribing from this particular thread. I am going to spend my forum and other time trying to find somewhere where, if there is one, we can find a link to a live feed for tomorrow morning’s 10:00 (EST) ZR1 reveal.
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Originally Posted by jagamajajaran
For 2017, 7% of Stingrays, 6% of Grand Sports, and 3% of Z06s were verts. If those percentages don't bring about the end of Corvette verts, I doubt 20% transmission numbers will bring about the end of the manual transmission.
I can't explain the drop...2016 model year, convertibles were 19.3% of the total.

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Originally Posted by LT1 Z51
So if no one offers a manual except in a FWD car or an off-roader (like a Wrangler).
I laughed...at first.
Then I remembered the Wrangler I drove in Hawaii had an auto.

I just checked out the Jeep website to be sure a manual was still offered.
I know Grand Cherokees haven't offered them in decades, if at all.
Originally Posted by LT1 Z51
Manuals used to be cheaper to manufacture.
EXACTLY.
Convertibles are totally different, they aren’t essential, but industry wise they will never go away. Therefore the supply base will continue to innovate and invest in them.
IMO, the Vette will be the last stop for Verts and Manuals (if there is to be one).
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I came into this thread looking to see if there was any info on a live stream for the Dubai event tomorrow, but then read this:

Originally Posted by jagamajajaran
For 2017, 7% of Stingrays, 6% of Grand Sports, and 3% of Z06s were verts. If those percentages don't bring about the end of Corvette verts, I doubt 20% transmission numbers will bring about the end of the manual transmission.
Uh. Hold the phone a moment. Before we go throwing body styles into the same bucket as drivetrain components, let's read what the head honcho of Corvette has already said about the topic:

Ask Tadge about Manuals

Different drivetrains need to be emissions and FE tested and certified. That stuff costs a butt-ton of money. Remember that while GM makes its own auto, it purchases the manual from TREMEC. If fewer and fewer people are buying manuals, it means GM will purchase fewer and fewer of them from TREMEC (who's also no longer selling them to Dodge for the Viper). At some point, it becomes an unfavorable business proposition from TREMEC to continue making and selling the transmissions, which leaves GM to either:
  • Find another manufacturer
  • Make their own
  • Kill the manual car

Guess which one the business guys will say to do, should the take rate continue dropping? Here's a hint: it's the last one. I promise.

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Originally Posted by dvilin
I hope your source is right about it being a ME and not a ZR1. If it is a ME you have my number.
I haven't been following this very closely, but wasn't the new ME supposed to be called "Zora"?


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