ZR1 seems pointless since A8 not addressed and TCM issues
11-12-2017, 01:27 AM
#21
Le Mans Master
Many of the very same complaints when the C6 ZR1 was introduced.
"Just more HP in the same chassis - why bother?!"
"I can have the same HP in my Z06 by just adding some parts - why bother with the ZR1?!
Oh well, some things never change
"Just more HP in the same chassis - why bother?!"
"I can have the same HP in my Z06 by just adding some parts - why bother with the ZR1?!
Oh well, some things never change
11-12-2017, 02:09 AM
#22
Team Owner
Well f'k, you can say that about the Z06, the GS and the Z51......You put enough money into anything and it will beat something else. 
11-12-2017, 02:46 AM
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11-12-2017, 07:27 AM
#24
Le Mans Master
no i bought the little bmw m235i for my Xroomy and she split. lol
I have a top of line c7 z06 z07 with ccb and cup tires but after driving the bimmer i realized how bad and slow throttle response was on A8.
z06 been in shop for 8 weeks getting full 20k plus makeover to fix laggy throttle and TCM issues.handling is great but not happy with slow laggy throttle which is way way worse on the horse gt.
My point was not sure how the zr1 will address those issues since using same A8. cooling mods are great but i dont track my car so thats a moot issue for me.
I have a top of line c7 z06 z07 with ccb and cup tires but after driving the bimmer i realized how bad and slow throttle response was on A8.
z06 been in shop for 8 weeks getting full 20k plus makeover to fix laggy throttle and TCM issues.handling is great but not happy with slow laggy throttle which is way way worse on the horse gt.
My point was not sure how the zr1 will address those issues since using same A8. cooling mods are great but i dont track my car so thats a moot issue for me.
11-12-2017, 07:55 AM
#25
Racer
Thread Starter
its laggy non linear stock throttle response and the conservative tcm tuning plus A8 being inferior to a DC or even the zf 8 speed.
none of that is being addressed!
11-12-2017, 08:10 AM
#26
Le Mans Master
i paid 73k for my car last year. seriously you missed the whole point. its not whethe its faster. duh.
its laggy non linear stock throttle response and the conservative tcm tuning plus A8 being inferior to a DC or even the zf 8 speed.
none of that is being addressed!
its laggy non linear stock throttle response and the conservative tcm tuning plus A8 being inferior to a DC or even the zf 8 speed.
none of that is being addressed!
How do you know? Your “whole point” is merely speculation.
BTW, “faster” was said in jest, hence, the “
.”
Last edited by sTz; 11-12-2017 at 08:23 AM.
11-12-2017, 10:56 AM
#27
Race Director
Spot on with the C6 ZR1 thoughts. The way some C6 Z06 owners acted you would think GM was:
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11-12-2017, 11:12 AM
#28
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OP - get a Katech or Mamo ported throttle body which will fix your throttle response for very little coin.
Or continue to choose to be a victim and bitch.
Up to you.
Or continue to choose to be a victim and bitch.
Up to you.
11-12-2017, 11:19 AM
#29
750 hp from the factory in a corvette that laps 2.5 seconds faster than the almighty z06 on the VIR road course and has a top speed of 210 mph and a warranty....and some people are not Impressed..
Some people think critical thinking is synomous with intelligence.
Good luck
Some people think critical thinking is synomous with intelligence.
Good luck
the whining is unbelievable the new ZR1 is outstanding a Corvette with 750HP for the factory.
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11-12-2017, 11:20 AM
#30
Le Mans Master
The big thing is, there isn't much to improve on the C7 with stuff like brakes.
I was definitely expecting bigger wheels and tires all around and hoping for a 750HP NA engine.
11-12-2017, 11:53 AM
#31
I'm not sure that's true. The Zr1 went from NA to supercharged, got different brakes and etc. IMO, the difference between the C6 Z06 to Zr1 is bigger than the C7's.
The big thing is, there isn't much to improve on the C7 with stuff like brakes.
I was definitely expecting bigger wheels and tires all around and hoping for a 750HP NA engine.
The big thing is, there isn't much to improve on the C7 with stuff like brakes.
I was definitely expecting bigger wheels and tires all around and hoping for a 750HP NA engine.
Only Ferrari and Lambroghini are making 700+hp NA engines right now. Both engines are DOHC V12s with near 9000rpm redlines that probably cost more from the factory than the ZR1 itself.
Don't think we can get there from here.
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11-13-2017, 01:24 AM
#32
Burning Brakes
I feel underwhelmed as I think this should be the Z06 with proper changes to work as advertised. Not a super version. As it's basically a revised Z06 with better cooling and a easy bump in power. Or, what most track guys who bought a 14-16 Z06/Z07 for track duty, thought they were buying. It would be cool if the ZR1 now was an updated 18 Z06 with wings as options, and the ZR1 as a halo midengine. But opinions are just that. I still want one lol.
I think GM missed big here... as a current ZR1 owner, I would be much more interested in a ME halo car...than what I am seeing thus far of the new C7 ZR1.
11-13-2017, 07:10 AM
#33
Racer
Thread Starter
I'm not sure that's true. The Zr1 went from NA to supercharged, got different brakes and etc. IMO, the difference between the C6 Z06 to Zr1 is bigger than the C7's.
The big thing is, there isn't much to improve on the C7 with stuff like brakes.
I was definitely expecting bigger wheels and tires all around and hoping for a 750HP NA engine.
The big thing is, there isn't much to improve on the C7 with stuff like brakes.
I was definitely expecting bigger wheels and tires all around and hoping for a 750HP NA engine.
i did read 355 tires though ? thats viper wide if true.
11-13-2017, 07:50 AM
#34
Race Director
With all the evidence available, did you really think the ZR1 was going to be the ME car? I don't understand how ANYONE thought the ZR1 was going to be ANYTHING other than a further development of the C7.....
11-13-2017, 07:52 AM
#35
Melting Slicks
Makes no sense.
Another one who just doesnt get it.You can squeeze 800 h.p out of a civic so whats your point?755 h.p ,no overheating,a 210 plus mph top speed,handling like a full race car and hopefully low production numbers.Thats what its all about.For your information there are Mustang gt s out there that can smoke a ford gt but buyers are still paying the $400 000 price to own the gt.
11-13-2017, 07:52 AM
#36
Race Director
11-13-2017, 08:44 AM
#37
Burning Brakes
Well, in 2 years, you'll have your chance for a ME Corvette. The ZR1, which was THE worst kept secret on the planet, was ALWAYS going to be a C7. There were literally thousands of pics of camo'd ZR1's, going back over a year, as well as plenty of pics of the camo'd ME car.
With all the evidence available, did you really think the ZR1 was going to be the ME car? I don't understand how ANYONE thought the ZR1 was going to be ANYTHING other than a further development of the C7.....
With all the evidence available, did you really think the ZR1 was going to be the ME car? I don't understand how ANYONE thought the ZR1 was going to be ANYTHING other than a further development of the C7.....
What I said was that, as a current C6 ZR1 owner, what I am seeing of the C7 ZR1 thus far, isn't making me gitty, as a halo car should... and a ME halo car would have...
I will be perfectly happy slinging gears in my current ZR1 until GM makes me gitty again... two years or longer...
11-13-2017, 08:55 AM
#38
its not all about speed. granted they fixed the cooling which implies the z06 was flawed but it does nothing to address the laggy A8 as the weak point of the car and stock throttle response is very non-linear cause of the TCM and general bad stock tuning. My 8 speed zf bimmer is very linear so why is the z06 A8 so non-linear ? Hopefully after my mods are done that will be fixed.
I would love to know what they did with the A8 on the ZR1.also drove the M7 and didnt like it at all. felt clutch takeup was lousy and had LT. Personally the big win will be when we the C8 gets a DC box.
till then i will wait.
I would love to know what they did with the A8 on the ZR1.also drove the M7 and didnt like it at all. felt clutch takeup was lousy and had LT. Personally the big win will be when we the C8 gets a DC box.
till then i will wait.
11-13-2017, 08:59 AM
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11-13-2017, 09:19 AM
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They added a wing, changed the fascia, upgraded the blower and improved cooling. Tuners do all that regularly in a few weeks 
I know they have a lot more to deal with than a tune (I've been on the OEM and tuner side as an engineer), but turning a Z06 into a ZR1 in 18 months is hardly an engineering feat.
I know they have a lot more to deal with than a tune (I've been on the OEM and tuner side as an engineer), but turning a Z06 into a ZR1 in 18 months is hardly an engineering feat.But to manufacture them with the volume, cost and quality of an OEM part while maintain the durability, function and warranty is what takes all the time.
That and getting the body panel aero just right.
Building a one off car is not hard, building 10,000 of that same car is immensely difficult.
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