ZR1 seems pointless since A8 not addressed and TCM issues
11-13-2017, 06:09 PM
#42
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It's not the doing which is hard. Engineering wise these are not big up upgrades.
But to manufacture them with the volume, cost and quality of an OEM part while maintain the durability, function and warranty is what takes all the time.
That and getting the body panel aero just right.
Building a one off car is not hard, building 10,000 of that same car is immensely difficult.
But to manufacture them with the volume, cost and quality of an OEM part while maintain the durability, function and warranty is what takes all the time.
That and getting the body panel aero just right.
Building a one off car is not hard, building 10,000 of that same car is immensely difficult.
11-13-2017, 07:16 PM
#43
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The 800 Pound Gorilla!
So... How come nobody (who I've read so far) has considered the 800 pound Gorilla in the room?
DUBAI?? An American Chevrolet is introduced in a country that still honors sharia law?? Are they kidding??
Why do you suppose that is? Oh, right, it's really not about affordable American performance for the American public. It's about competing for oil money with Lime Green Lamborghinis.
I think it's disgraceful that Chevrolet has introduced its Lamborghini competitor in a country whose dollars are (ultimately) still killing American servicemen. Oh, that's right, it's about money, not American values.
Those who say a Z06 and $20K will get you ZR1 performance are probably right on. But then, GM wouldn't get to charge $120K+ worth of UAE dirhams! It's all about the money, period!
As a former American GI, I'm sickened by this whole affair!
DUBAI?? An American Chevrolet is introduced in a country that still honors sharia law?? Are they kidding??
Why do you suppose that is? Oh, right, it's really not about affordable American performance for the American public. It's about competing for oil money with Lime Green Lamborghinis.
I think it's disgraceful that Chevrolet has introduced its Lamborghini competitor in a country whose dollars are (ultimately) still killing American servicemen. Oh, that's right, it's about money, not American values.
Those who say a Z06 and $20K will get you ZR1 performance are probably right on. But then, GM wouldn't get to charge $120K+ worth of UAE dirhams! It's all about the money, period!
As a former American GI, I'm sickened by this whole affair!
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11-13-2017, 07:39 PM
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People are pushing pretty good power through them. The biggest learning with them is that the tuning in them is pretty complex, and some guys have seen their trans trash canned from botched tunes. So if you mess with it, make sure you're using somebody who knows what the hell they're doing on these.
11-13-2017, 07:42 PM
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People are pushing pretty good power through them. The biggest learning with them is that the tuning in them is pretty complex, and some guys have seen their trans trash canned from botched tunes. So if you mess with it, make sure you're using somebody who knows what the hell they're doing on these.
800rwtq sure.
11-13-2017, 07:45 PM
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11-14-2017, 07:34 AM
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So... How come nobody (who I've read so far) has considered the 800 pound Gorilla in the room?
DUBAI?? An American Chevrolet is introduced in a country that still honors sharia law?? Are they kidding??
Why do you suppose that is? Oh, right, it's really not about affordable American performance for the American public. It's about competing for oil money with Lime Green Lamborghinis.
I think it's disgraceful that Chevrolet has introduced its Lamborghini competitor in a country whose dollars are (ultimately) still killing American servicemen. Oh, that's right, it's about money, not American values.
Those who say a Z06 and $20K will get you ZR1 performance are probably right on. But then, GM wouldn't get to charge $120K+ worth of UAE dirhams! It's all about the money, period!
As a former American GI, I'm sickened by this whole affair!
DUBAI?? An American Chevrolet is introduced in a country that still honors sharia law?? Are they kidding??
Why do you suppose that is? Oh, right, it's really not about affordable American performance for the American public. It's about competing for oil money with Lime Green Lamborghinis.
I think it's disgraceful that Chevrolet has introduced its Lamborghini competitor in a country whose dollars are (ultimately) still killing American servicemen. Oh, that's right, it's about money, not American values.
Those who say a Z06 and $20K will get you ZR1 performance are probably right on. But then, GM wouldn't get to charge $120K+ worth of UAE dirhams! It's all about the money, period!
As a former American GI, I'm sickened by this whole affair!
11-14-2017, 07:55 AM
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So... How come nobody (who I've read so far) has considered the 800 pound Gorilla in the room?
DUBAI?? An American Chevrolet is introduced in a country that still honors sharia law?? Are they kidding??
Why do you suppose that is? Oh, right, it's really not about affordable American performance for the American public. It's about competing for oil money with Lime Green Lamborghinis.
I think it's disgraceful that Chevrolet has introduced its Lamborghini competitor in a country whose dollars are (ultimately) still killing American servicemen. Oh, that's right, it's about money, not American values.
Those who say a Z06 and $20K will get you ZR1 performance are probably right on. But then, GM wouldn't get to charge $120K+ worth of UAE dirhams! It's all about the money, period!
As a former American GI, I'm sickened by this whole affair!
DUBAI?? An American Chevrolet is introduced in a country that still honors sharia law?? Are they kidding??
Why do you suppose that is? Oh, right, it's really not about affordable American performance for the American public. It's about competing for oil money with Lime Green Lamborghinis.
I think it's disgraceful that Chevrolet has introduced its Lamborghini competitor in a country whose dollars are (ultimately) still killing American servicemen. Oh, that's right, it's about money, not American values.
Those who say a Z06 and $20K will get you ZR1 performance are probably right on. But then, GM wouldn't get to charge $120K+ worth of UAE dirhams! It's all about the money, period!
As a former American GI, I'm sickened by this whole affair!
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11-14-2017, 02:58 PM
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11-14-2017, 03:04 PM
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just from reading most of the ZR1 threads the people that seem to do the most whining are Z06 owners. 
11-14-2017, 03:25 PM
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It's not about the improved HP performance, which is a good thing, it's about the auxiliary cooling improvements that should have been originally engineered into the Z06.
11-14-2017, 03:42 PM
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Probably because this select group of owners were sold the "most track capable Corvette ever" by GM back in 2015 and now 4 (model) years later, GM means it.
It's not about the improved HP performance, which is a good thing, it's about the auxiliary cooling improvements that should have been originally engineered into the Z06.
It's not about the improved HP performance, which is a good thing, it's about the auxiliary cooling improvements that should have been originally engineered into the Z06.
11-14-2017, 03:59 PM
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11-14-2017, 08:41 PM
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If the Z06 never had the initial cooling issues which Tadge promised to fix, most Z06 owners would be in line happy to trade up.
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11-14-2017, 09:04 PM
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Just get an M7. Problem solved
But yeah, the ZR1 was a bit underwhelming, especially to start at $120k. 295s in the front instead of 285, they fixed the cooling issue, added a wing a bigger blower. This is more like a Tuner Stage 2 Z06 than a different model.
edit: and they added a lot of weight over the front.
But yeah, the ZR1 was a bit underwhelming, especially to start at $120k. 295s in the front instead of 285, they fixed the cooling issue, added a wing a bigger blower. This is more like a Tuner Stage 2 Z06 than a different model.
edit: and they added a lot of weight over the front.
History always repeats itself.
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11-15-2017, 12:21 AM
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In reference to the A8 in one of the several articles I read it quoted that the A8 was revised, and now also shifts faster, but it did not clarify if that was the trans itself or the paddle shifter response time is faster.
11-15-2017, 11:12 AM
#59
Not to mention the resale value of a limited number ZR1 with a pulley swap and intake over a Z06 with everything hacked and modded to keep up. Its doable but not at all worth it.
With the big boy blower and cooling the ZR1 should be easy 850 - 900 with stock driveability and no headaches just like the old ZR1 is an easy 700 - 750. Hope they build the bottom like the LS9 as well. We all knew the king was returning.
With the big boy blower and cooling the ZR1 should be easy 850 - 900 with stock driveability and no headaches just like the old ZR1 is an easy 700 - 750. Hope they build the bottom like the LS9 as well. We all knew the king was returning.
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