jvp

GM has always made it a point to say, "This car that ran the Ring is a production unit with all the production tuning," etc. None of that is ready yet. They're not building production cars yet. All they have a engineering mules and pre-production samples running around out there.

I'm still shocked this is so difficult for some folks to grasp. Really. Please engage the lump of fat between your ears before posting.

Achmed

lol

SBC_and_a_stick

Meanwhile Tesla is building model 3s by hand and selling them as production cars before kicking off the production line. As long as the car is built to spec, it's built to spec, even if it didn't go through exactly the same steps in assembly.

What do you propose, should we invalidate the Ring time every time a workstation changes in the assembly line? Technically, a different car by your lump summary.

jvp

I give. You're going to beat me with experience here. I doubt you're going to catch the reference, but, trust me, it's not a compliment. Enjoy your day.

sunsalem

Here's one: marketing.
If I was in charge, I would want a video showing the ZR1 in production trim and paint running the Ring.
A video GM that shows the world unequivocally what the car can do.
Nope, sure isn't.
The challenge would be to do a better time than the ZR1's competitors.

TrackAire

Assuming they spend the money and the time at the Ring they will beat the ACR-E's Ring time. I have no doubts that the car will be in the high 6's. It took Porsche weeks of time at the Ring to get the perfect run at 7:00 pm in the evening. Much easier for a German company to do since their facilities and people live within a couple hours of the Ring.

The Porsche GT2 RS actually ran a couple of seconds faster than it's published Ring video time....so the car is damn fast. No way a ZR1 is going to get into the 6:40's but it will get under 7:00 minutes no problem if GM puts forth the time and effort.

Do Ring times matter?....they did for me as I bought my first Viper over a C6 Z06 just because of the Ring record back in 2008. Hopefully GM realizes the importance of a Ring time and I think they do as they are obviously going for a more global market with the Middle East and such. Why would they debut the car in Dubai if they didn't want to sell the ZR1 there??

I can't wait to see what GM does this Spring at the Ring.

SBC_and_a_stick

This is heavy! You actually believe you can compliment someone!

johnglenntwo

ACR: 7:01.3; 2:40.02
ZR1: X; 2:38.32 (ZO6's 2:41.32-3s)

(158.32×421.03)÷160.02=416.557115360

~6:56.56
(Matches agreed upon other member's intuitive estimate.
1LE equals same!
<10s & ~300lbs> special limited GT2 RS!)

With him it's self service! If you know you've got him on something there goes another notch on your belt! HAPPENS!

KnightDriveTV

And just to further underline your remarks here, Tadge did boast, quite specifically, that the Z06 had completed a timed lap and that the time would be released. Clearly something internally happened, and the marketing wing of things decided against it. I can predict some type of mild c*ck-war occurred to put Tadge in his place for stepping on marketing's toes. I can just see Harlan bein that guy. (All assumption of course).

Fact is, the Z06 did complete a timed lap and I'm sure you can expect it was 7:08-7:12. A journalist pushing the car, relatively hard but leaving a bit to be desire, did a 7:13 and I think Mero would be able to pull 4 seconds off of that with the benefit of experience and data support.

So, the big question becomes, can the ZR1 pull potentially 8 seconds of that time with 105hp more and an additional couple hundred pounds of downforce. Without knowing the details of this car, what we know the car needs to gain is some level of suspension tweaking, some serious front end grip, and the ability for the car to leave the corner and transition well.

The ACR E did 7:01 after A LOT of lap attempts, scrubbed and shaved tires, two pro drivers and more downforce. The cars also had a lot of adjust-ability built in. Granted there is a 105hp defecit (torque unknown at this point), as well as torque delivery is unknown at this point. If we see some boost by gear or variable tech built in, it could be a game changer to leaving the corners and really getting that straightaway speed it needs to shave time.

I'll just say, going sub 7 minutes...I'm talkin 6:59.9...I will be IMPRESSED because I am not expecting that will happen. I think the compromised nature of the ZR1 makes it slightly disadvantaged versus all other cars in that time frame, which are essential race cars with little to no civility built in.

sunsalem

You were one of the very few.
Vipers almost always sold in the hundreds.
THAT'S the $64,000 question...

TrackAire

Ring times mattered to me because I primarily wanted a track toy. Something that is fast at the Ring with decent brakes and doesn't spit its guts out mattered to me. A fast Ring time means the car has a good foundation as a track toy.

None of my track cars are daily drivers and I rarely street drive them......I prefer luxury SUV's for everything but the track and an occasional cars and coffee gathering. Call me old and soft, but when stuck in traffic I like a commanding view with the added utility of an SUV.

It's pretty funny that when you talk to professional race car drivers, most drive large four door sedans, SUV's or even something as bulbous and slow as an H1 Hummer. I have yet to meet a pro driver that daily drives an extreme performance two seater. They own them, but running around town and for road trips it's not their first choice.

I know I'm not the norm but once you go through a racing school and drive a full on race car, you realize that anything with a license plate is going to be a major compromise on the street and the track. Yet, there is something very appealing about having a street car that can rip on the track.....probably has to do with childhood fantasies of driving a fast car.

sunsalem

I completely understand.
FWIW, my vehicle of choice for getting around town or long trips is a Jeep Grand Cherokee...it's been that way for 20+ years.

johnglenntwo

2.5s was 3s!

(But, what if they got a 6:51? What if the ZR1 is really 5s faster? Helps! ACR (<1.5s/min):

1. No eLSD!
2. No transaxle!
3. Has high speed understeer!
4. No +100 HP!
5. No A8 (Tuner proven)!

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...01494698_o.jpg)

johnglenntwo

Repaved! Looks like good information to me! 5s at VIR equates to a 6:51, Bench Racing wise!

Sub Driver

This makes absolutely no sense. Can you string together one sentence with a complete thought?

johnglenntwo

It's usually a good sign!

Anyway- And

The Viper also lacks all the ZO6's PTM development!

Sub Driver

Another incoherent response. Do you understand english?

turbo8765

The ZR1 will beat the GT2 RS at the ring assuming good temps (as for RS) and that GM also uses a pro driver.

Boba Fett

not likely

thegame

agreed, not a chance.