C7 ZR1 or Tesla Coupe
11-17-2017, 08:08 PM
#21
Le Mans Master
Yeah baby!
C8 - All electric (flat curve linear usable power)!?
Give me the twisties too!
https://www.wired.com/story/general-...c-cars-plan-gm
Give me the twisties too!
https://www.wired.com/story/general-...c-cars-plan-gm
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 11-17-2017 at 10:00 PM.
11-17-2017, 08:41 PM
#23
You couldn't give me an electric car. Well, yes you could, but I would immediately turn around and sell it. I have no desire whatsoever for an electric. Or a hybrid.
11-17-2017, 09:23 PM
#25
Race Director
Here's a more likely target.
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Metric | 2018 Bugatti Chiron | 2020 Tesla Roadster |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| MSRP | $2,998,000 | $200,000 |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 0-60 MPH | 2.3 sec | 1.9 sec |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 0-100 MPH | 4.8 sec | 4.2 sec |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 1/4 mile | 9.4 sec @ 139 MPH | 8.8 sec @ ?? |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Mileage | 8 MPG city, 15 MPG hwy | ?? W/mi |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Fuel capacity | 26.4 gal | 200 kWh |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Range, miles | 396 miles | 620 miles |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Metric | 2018 Bugatti Chiron | 2020 Tesla Roadster |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| MSRP | $2,998,000 | $200,000 |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 0-60 MPH | 2.3 sec | 1.9 sec |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 0-100 MPH | 4.8 sec | 4.2 sec |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 1/4 mile | 9.4 sec @ 139 MPH | 8.8 sec @ ?? |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Mileage | 8 MPG city, 15 MPG hwy | ?? W/mi |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Fuel capacity | 26.4 gal | 200 kWh |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| Range, miles | 396 miles | 620 miles |
+--------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
11-17-2017, 09:34 PM
#26
I have deposits on both.
Tesla discussions always make me laugh. It's never been easier to judge someone's level of education, socio-economic status, occupation, etc. solely based on their opinion of a company.
Tesla discussions always make me laugh. It's never been easier to judge someone's level of education, socio-economic status, occupation, etc. solely based on their opinion of a company.
11-17-2017, 09:49 PM
#27
Le Mans Master
Who Him! ;)
Fortunately, Technology is Obsoleting them!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 11-17-2017 at 10:46 PM.
11-17-2017, 09:58 PM
#28
Team Owner
It won't be here for 2 years. But if it comes and it is as they say a world beater that takes no oil change or engine air filter with a 600 mile range that is a deal maker. My 2
Corvettes would have a new stable mate. Not the ME either. The batteries should last as long as I need them. Fossil fuel will become more so!
Corvettes would have a new stable mate. Not the ME either. The batteries should last as long as I need them. Fossil fuel will become more so!
11-17-2017, 10:08 PM
#29
Le Mans Master
Got to love tech!
It not only obsoletes the tech, it's obsoleting our threads and posts!
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/18/1...electric-price
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/18/1...electric-price
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 11-17-2017 at 10:36 PM.
11-17-2017, 10:39 PM
#30
Le Mans Master
Simple...There are countless Vette enthusiasts out there that will want a ZR1 over the Tesla. And given the fact the ZR1 is real and can actually be produced and it's cheaper it's no contest.
11-18-2017, 01:11 AM
#32
Burning Brakes
If they actually build it, you can beat it won't be delivered until about 2025 or later. And on MT they wrote that Tesla expects the starting price to be 250K and based on what I've seen from Tesla you can figure most will be optioned to 300K or higher. Its still going to weigh 2 plus tons I'm sure of it. But 0-60 in less then 2 is pretty sweet.
11-18-2017, 02:05 AM
#33
Do we HAVE go thru this electric vs. gas argument AGAIN??????
Unless some members are ostriches, this pro vs. con has been discussed before ad nauseam.
Nothing has changed, except the inevitable refinement of battery technology.
Unless some members are ostriches, this pro vs. con has been discussed before ad nauseam.
Nothing has changed, except the inevitable refinement of battery technology.
11-18-2017, 12:34 PM
#35
Instructor
Apparently the Tesla Coupe is stealing some of the ZR1's thunder. It's just a little quicker and faster.
"Tesla didn't just have its highly anticipated semi-truck to reveal on Thursday. The electric car maker surprised everyone when one of the semis unloaded an all-new Tesla Roadster from its trailer. Tesla claims the sleek, targa-top two-door can accelerate from 0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds, go 0-100 mph in 4.2 second, and complete the quarter mile in 8.9 seconds, numbers that would make it the quickest production car in the world."
"Tesla didn't just have its highly anticipated semi-truck to reveal on Thursday. The electric car maker surprised everyone when one of the semis unloaded an all-new Tesla Roadster from its trailer. Tesla claims the sleek, targa-top two-door can accelerate from 0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds, go 0-100 mph in 4.2 second, and complete the quarter mile in 8.9 seconds, numbers that would make it the quickest production car in the world."
11-18-2017, 01:58 PM
#36
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Still, I don't think this new Roadster, even if it can achieve the miraculous straight-line speed claimed, represents a "smackdown of gasoline powered cars" like he said at the reveal.
Straight-line speed is only one metric of a car, especially a sports car. Electric motors are proving to be great at it. What they aren't great at it is storing large amounts of energy without weighing a TON (or several). This roadster will be ultra fast until it tries to shift it's 2.5 ton mass. Physics will always win.
So it comes down to a really simple question: how do you value handling vs speed? If you're like me, speed is a rush, but one that you get used to. Adaptation robs speed of its adrenaline-producing effects in a short period of time. It's still fun, but only superficially. Handling, on the other hand (pun intended), allows one to translate driving skill into motion with precision. The simple fact that skill is rewarded with precision is why handling will ALWAYS be far more fulfilling and rewarding than speed (for me).
Of course I want both. But Tesla is only offering one, and I don't see that changing.
11-18-2017, 02:06 PM
#37
Racer
11-18-2017, 02:24 PM
#38
Well... Mr Musk, show me your roadster making several laps on the Nurburgring, otherwise it is only talk.
"0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds. Top speed over 250 mph. Range of 620 miles. Torque? More than 7,000 lb-ft...." http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/11/...dster-7742054/
How do you dissipate the heat created from 7000 lb-ft ?
GM working on something ? http://www.thedrive.com/news/16193/g...e-here-by-2023
"0-60 mph in 1.9 seconds. Top speed over 250 mph. Range of 620 miles. Torque? More than 7,000 lb-ft...." http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/11/...dster-7742054/
How do you dissipate the heat created from 7000 lb-ft ?
GM working on something ? http://www.thedrive.com/news/16193/g...e-here-by-2023
11-18-2017, 03:12 PM
#39
Racer
Enjoy what you have while you have it.
11-18-2017, 03:38 PM
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C7 of the Year - Unmodified Finalist 2021
Bernstein predicts Tesla shares will plunge as it nears an unprecedented $10 billion cash burn
Bernstein reiterated its market perform rating on Tesla shares, telling investors to avoid buying the stock due to Model 3 production risk.
"We are fairly bullish on the evolution of the EV [electric vehicle] market, but we worry about several near-term issues for Tesla, and would not be chasing the stock at current levels," the firm's analyst writes.
Bernstein predicts Tesla shares will plunge Bernstein predicts Tesla shares will plunge
While some investors may be optimistic on Tesla's Model 3, one Wall Street firm is concerned over the company's ability to profitably manufacture the new vehicle.
Bernstein reiterated its market perform rating on Tesla shares, telling investors to avoid buying the stock at its current valuation due to production risk.
"Tesla's persistent cash burn has been a major investor controversy … In fact, Tesla may be the largest public company in history to have never generated either positive annual cash flow or positive annual profit," analyst Toni Sacconaghi wrote in a note to clients Wednesday. "Even if we can disregard Tesla's cash burn, we continue to worry about the company's ability to deliver upon its long-term vision of profitability. Specifically, we worry about whether Tesla can successfully build the mass-market Model 3: (1) with good gross margins, (2) with good quality, and (3) on time."
Sacconaghi reaffirmed his $265 price target for Tesla shares, representing 23 percent downside to Tuesday's close.
He estimates Tesla will burn through $4.7 billion of cash this year reaching a total $10.6 billion of cash burn as a public company by the end of 2017, which is unprecedented for a nearly $60 billion market cap company.
In comparison, he cited how Amazon burned $1.1 billion of cash over three years and was generating billions of dollars of cash when it reached a $60 billion valuation. Costco burned through $1.9 billion of cash over eight years, but its value topped out at roughly $15 billion during the time period, according to the analyst.
"We believe the essential issue with Tesla's stock is not how much cash the company burns right now, but rather how well the company can execute upon its Model 3 launch – specifically around gross margins - and demonstrate that it has a clear path to long-term profitability," he wrote. "We are fairly bullish on the evolution of the EV [electric vehicle] market, but we worry about several near-term issues for Tesla, and would not be chasing the stock at current levels."
Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment on this story. Its shares are up 62 percent this year versus the S&P 500's 12 percent return through Tuesday.
The company's stock rose 0.4 percent shortly after Wednesday's market open after the report.
Bernstein reiterated its market perform rating on Tesla shares, telling investors to avoid buying the stock due to Model 3 production risk.
"We are fairly bullish on the evolution of the EV [electric vehicle] market, but we worry about several near-term issues for Tesla, and would not be chasing the stock at current levels," the firm's analyst writes.
Bernstein predicts Tesla shares will plunge Bernstein predicts Tesla shares will plunge
While some investors may be optimistic on Tesla's Model 3, one Wall Street firm is concerned over the company's ability to profitably manufacture the new vehicle.
Bernstein reiterated its market perform rating on Tesla shares, telling investors to avoid buying the stock at its current valuation due to production risk.
"Tesla's persistent cash burn has been a major investor controversy … In fact, Tesla may be the largest public company in history to have never generated either positive annual cash flow or positive annual profit," analyst Toni Sacconaghi wrote in a note to clients Wednesday. "Even if we can disregard Tesla's cash burn, we continue to worry about the company's ability to deliver upon its long-term vision of profitability. Specifically, we worry about whether Tesla can successfully build the mass-market Model 3: (1) with good gross margins, (2) with good quality, and (3) on time."
Sacconaghi reaffirmed his $265 price target for Tesla shares, representing 23 percent downside to Tuesday's close.
He estimates Tesla will burn through $4.7 billion of cash this year reaching a total $10.6 billion of cash burn as a public company by the end of 2017, which is unprecedented for a nearly $60 billion market cap company.
In comparison, he cited how Amazon burned $1.1 billion of cash over three years and was generating billions of dollars of cash when it reached a $60 billion valuation. Costco burned through $1.9 billion of cash over eight years, but its value topped out at roughly $15 billion during the time period, according to the analyst.
"We believe the essential issue with Tesla's stock is not how much cash the company burns right now, but rather how well the company can execute upon its Model 3 launch – specifically around gross margins - and demonstrate that it has a clear path to long-term profitability," he wrote. "We are fairly bullish on the evolution of the EV [electric vehicle] market, but we worry about several near-term issues for Tesla, and would not be chasing the stock at current levels."
Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment on this story. Its shares are up 62 percent this year versus the S&P 500's 12 percent return through Tuesday.
The company's stock rose 0.4 percent shortly after Wednesday's market open after the report.