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I'm not a super big fan of the over the top ground effects on the ZR1 or even the Z06 and much prefer my Base+ Model. The Z06 pics came out and that was when I decided I didn't want to wait for a Z06 cause it wasn't my Cup of Tea.
Now I do like this shot here of the 918? Is that? But I've always been Corvette & Ferrari over Porsche.
What kind of economical surprise could be in this ZR1(Better intervention/less Hardware)!?
Porsche wants to know (This TECH can beat their Gold STD here)!
***An A/B switch for the wings kills it!
....Sports Auto Ringtimes!?
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 01-12-2018 at 03:58 PM.
Oh I see, so you get to decide what is and isn't a 'better track car' because of it's original intended purpose? Is that how it goes? Cause for a moment there I thought we were just basing 'better track car' on pure performance, not the manufacturers 'intended' purpose for the car.
Btw, Porsche put the car on the track and touted their Ring time as a record with the 918. And made the Weissach package available on it. So, stop with this garbage about 'not' being a track car.
You had no retort...so your reply was to simply say 'it isn't a track car.'
Guess what...GM isn't building the ZR1 as a dedicated track only car (like the GT2RS), so why even have the discussion about how fast/slow it is on the track vs anything if it's not a track car in the first place? That's just silly.
I get that you LOVE Porsches despite having never owned one...I've owned 5. I like them too, and think they are GREAT cars...and what they did with the GT2RS is impressive...but it's MY personal opinion that the ZR1 is a bigger achievement because it'll do 99% of what the GT2RS does on the track and still let you get groceries and do it for 1/3rd or 1/2 the price. Real world pricing, prob 1/5th of the price. I find that FAR more impressive than what Porsche did with the GT2RS. I also believe it'll hang with and possibly BEAT the GT2RS on some American tracks like VIR and MRLS. Time will tell...
I had no retort, your whole premise was that the ACR, a car built especially for the track was faster at some tracks than the 918, a supercar, built to compete against the likes of the LaFerrari and P1. ...top speed demons, not weekend track warriors, that's why Porsche has the GT2 and GT3, in case your 5 Porsche ownership knowledge didn't know that already.
I love how you say "American tracks", like that means a hell of a lot. What's wrong with Canadian tracks or European or Australian?
Like I said so many times, people putting excuses on why the ZR1 is better even though it's not, does not make it better. Bottom line is this, until it proves itself on a track, as far as I'm and the rest of the world is concerned it's not a better TRACK car than the GT2 RS, no matter how many caveats you care to put in place.
Tell me, if someone was to give you one, but not resell, which one would you take?
Dedicated "street legal track cars" do not have removable roofs, ventilated seats and trunks for 2 golf clubs sets to name a few.... The ZR1 is not a dedicated track car and Tadge has restated that a few times.
I don't think I said "dedicated," but if I did, I shouldn't have.
The ZR1 with the big rear wing configuration is the closest to a "dedicated" track car Corvette has made to date.
The C7ZR1, just like its predecessor, are sport grand tourers
We'll have to agree to disagree here...IMO, the C7 is not a "sport grand tourer," it's a Sportscar.
Aston Martins and similar Euro cars are GTs; there are no American GTs currently being built.
IMO, the last American car that ticked most of the boxes for "GT" was the Cadillac XLR.
Originally Posted by ZoratZ06
it's MY personal opinion that the ZR1 is a bigger achievement because it'll do 99% of what the GT2RS does on the track and still let you get groceries and do it for 1/3rd or 1/2 the price. Real world pricing, prob 1/5th of the price. I find that FAR more impressive than what Porsche did with the GT2RS. I also believe it'll hang with and possibly BEAT the GT2RS on some American tracks like VIR and MRLS. Time will tell...
Although we haven't yet managed to get ahold of ZR1 times, I think you're point is on the money.
The Porsche may end up with a quicker time around the Ring, but on paper the ZR1 should end up being fairly close, and like you said, that would be pretty amazing.
Originally Posted by themonk
Tell me, if someone was to give you one, but not resell, which one would you take?
I don't think I said "dedicated," but if I did, I shouldn't have.
The ZR1 with the big rear wing configuration is the closest to a "dedicated" track car Corvette has made to date.
We'll have to agree to disagree here...IMO, the C7 is not a "sport grand tourer," it's a Sportscar.
Aston Martins and similar Euro cars are GTs; there are no American GTs currently being built.
IMO, the last American car that ticked most of the boxes for "GT" was the Cadillac XLR.
Although we haven't yet managed to get ahold of ZR1 times, I think you're point is on the money.
The Porsche may end up with a quicker time around the Ring, but on paper the ZR1 should end up being fairly close, and like you said, that would be pretty amazing.
Not sure what that would prove....
What would it prove, well how's this, all the ZR1 camp goers, if driven both back to back....or hell, not even have driven them would likely take the GT2 RS, why, just because of what it is.....at least I know without driving either, would.
It's a simple question though, one that I don't think many people in here would be honest when answering.
Sorry if my reply sounded like JonnyTwoTone, I had about 8 beer tonight.
What would it prove, well how's this, all the ZR1 camp goers, if driven both back to back....or hell, not even have driven them would likely take the GT2 RS, why, just because of what it is.....at least I know without driving either, would.
It's a simple question though, one that I don't think many people in here would be honest when answering.
Sorry if my reply sounded like JonnyTwoTone, I had about 8 beer tonight.
An Autistic and Dyslexic symptomatic happy repeater of known proven information. Seems absolutely stupefied by any prospect of a successful ZR1 on a Corvette Forum!
A real "Rocket Scientist" is You, But, it's most likely that simplified at a minimum very doable less than 10s scenerio is not to Your liking!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 01-14-2018 at 10:16 AM.
An Autistic and Dyslexic symtomatic happy repeater of known proven information. Seems absolutely stuplified by any prospect of a successful ZR1 on a Corvette Forum!
A real "Rocket Scientist" is You!
Holy crap, what kind of 2nd grade English is this? What is "symtomatic" or "stuplified"? How does a grown man talk and write like this?
Holy crap, what kind of 2nd grade English is this? What is "symptomatic" or "stupefied"? How does a grown man talk and write like this?
I don't know what kind of Good points I could make without your scholarliness! Interesting how I'm driven to unfamiliar word usage here.
That was me being facetious comprende!? Trumps third world countries again?!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 01-14-2018 at 11:00 AM.
We'll have to agree to disagree here...IMO, the C7 is not a "sport grand tourer," it's a Sportscar.
Aston Martins and similar Euro cars are GTs; there are no American GTs currently being built.
IMO, the last American car that ticked most of the boxes for "GT" was the Cadillac XLR.
I should have mentioned the word grand tourer (coupled with open air experience) came out directly from Corvette (either Tadge or Harlam) but it was in the context of C7 architecture and why they departed from "pure track". Alas I cannot find the video/article to share so on this specific wording I can only concede. Sport it is.
Last edited by Telepierre; 01-14-2018 at 12:20 PM.
What would it prove, well how's this, all the ZR1 camp goers, if driven both back to back....or hell, not even have driven them would likely take the GT2 RS, why, just because of what it is.....at least I know without driving either, would.
It's a simple question though, one that I don't think many people in here would be honest when answering.
Sorry if my reply sounded like JonnyTwoTone, I had about 8 beer tonight.
Trying to make a point with a question again...
Suggestion:
START a POLL and let's find out. I think it will be fun!
Example.
You are offered either a ZR1 or a GT2 (STOCK) FREE! on the following conditions:
1. You cannot resell (flip) neither.
2. You have to drive your option at the current rate or more of your last sports car
3. The car is free, the upkeep/repair is not....
Which of the two would you pick? Toss your vote...
Yeah...he is the C7 chief engineer and former deputy chief engineer of two generations totally worth at last count proximally a quarter million cars.. FYI..Porsche 911 just broke the million like.. "almost yesterday"
And here we are.... ;-)
Last edited by Telepierre; 01-14-2018 at 01:46 PM.
01-11-2018, 11:51 AM
Seems absolutely stupefied by any prospect of a successful ZR1 on a Corvette Forum!
