ZoratZ06

I disagree. If so, then how does just about every single Mercedes Benz (insert any non-Japanese manufacturer) customer justify their purchase? They depreciate faster than rocks, especially S-Classes. As do MOST foreign luxury cars, and sports cars. I honestly haven't met a person who's bought a new car and while doing so thought about what it might be worth in 3-5 years, and then chose NOT to purchase it in favor of another 'less depreciating vehicle.' Most new sports car (and other car) purchases are emotional not economical. Cars are toilets, period. A horrible investment, safe for a few rare models.

I think it's even less of a thought when buying $200k+ cars.

JoesC5

I disagree. Keep the comparison to the same type of cars.

A $30,000 Toyota to a $30,000 Chevrolet to a $30,000 Ford etc.

A $75,000 Mercedes to a $75,000 Lexus, to a $75,000 BMW. etc.

Don't compare $200,00 NSX to a $40,000 Silverado.

Of course my 19 year old Mercedes has depreciated more in dollars than a 19 year old Honda Civic has. And If I were to buy a new Escalade I would expect it to depreciate more(in dollars) than what a new CRV would depreciate(in dollars) in 5 years. But how much would a $25,000 CRV be worth compared to a $25,000 Kia in 5 years?

Most people have a price in mind when they are looking to buy a new car and that's the cars they compare and that's the cars that they factor in resale valve when they decide on which car to purchase.

That young secretary making $35,000 a year that goes into a Chevy dealer to buy a $25,000 Cruze does not drive home in a new $125,000 Z06. She might go over to the Toyota dealer and check out a new $25,000 Camry. Which one do you think will have the most resale value 5 years down the road? A Cruze or the Camry? That young secretary could care less how much a Z06 will depreciate as all she is interested in is a $25,000 sedan.

sunsalem

The MB depreciation rate is highly influenced by the fact so many new MBs are actually leased, not purchased.
Ultimately, MB ends up with lots of used cars after the leases run out.

ZoratZ06

A 10yr old Honda Civic isn't too far off a 10 year old S-Class...They were close in price when they were new.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...delCode1=CIVIC


https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=S500


You missed the mark if you thought I was talking about pure dollars only vs. percentage depreciation. Although the Civic example is FUNNY. Do some homework...MB is near the top of the list across the board esp. after 5 years. 1 year depreciate might be 'slightly' better. Overall Japanese cars are usually the best with regard to resale value...sure there are exceptions, but I'm using a general rule. Ford Taurus used to be the best selling car in the country, yet resale on a Camry/Accord was better...Explain that? If people cared so much about resale, then the Taurus wouldn't stand a chance. Things have changed since then in terms of top selling models...but you get the point. It also depends on the term you're referring to: 1yr, 2yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs etc...

Fact is MOST cars depreciate 40-60% within 5 years. So they are HORRIBLE investments.

At this point we're veering way off topic...the simple was, 99% of cars depreciate, not appreciate and the ones that do appreciate are nearly impossible to get most of the time. The possible exception was the 2005 Ford GT after 1 year or so. Even the Challenge Stradale, Scuderia and Speciale were hard to get new.

Old school Ferrari's and manual tranny Ferrari's would be the notable exception, but with regard to BRAND NEW cars...there are very very few...I listed them earlier.

johnglenntwo

0-60 4.2 vs 4.0; mod away

1/4 mile 12.4 vs 12.0; mod away

Track handling!

The ZO6's value is currently increasing somewhat because it can still get it done on the track, and it is less available!

"The ZR1 within 10s wins (without bandaids and being propped up)!"

http://www.superchevy.com/features/1...from-archives/

themonk

hahaha.....people wanting to talk about the performance of past Corvettes.....especially who have yet to own the past and present.

themonk

How many Corvettes have you owned?

Sub Driver

Explain the logic of how being slower by 10s wins anything. What bandaids and " being propped up" are you talking about? Remember context matters and you are not having a conversation with yourself so incomplete sentences are confusing to normal people.

johnglenntwo

But!

You are Not this stupid! Therefore, you are purely Trolling me this time, and purely Not getting me to dignify this with an answer. Any other clowns who like to jump in add yourselves from me and save time!

THE ENIGMA!

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2002-porsche-gt2-2/

(The C5 ZO6 is currently the best performance bargain (unlike that Viper then too!)

I have thought the C6 ZR1 broke up the Porsche party! Interesting, the C5 had snuck in there already, and even more so - Really (the turbo wasn't so fast then))!

John Micheal Henry

^^^^ I Agree..

LawrenceFromTorrance

Wait, now your changing your statement:
"99% of all new cars sold DEPRECIATE. So resale is simply not a factor in MOST purchases."

ZoratZ06

??????

Resale is generally NOT a factor in most car purchases. If it was people would never buy cars that depreciate quickly vs. cars that don't. I'm lost as to what you're trying to say, or how I'm changing my statement.

johnglenntwo

The GT2 RS isn’t just a turbocharged GT3 RS, either. Walliser explains that the new car’s chassis set-up takes inspiration from the 911 race cars: ‘Compared to the GT3 RS, the anti-roll bars are softer, but we’ve increased the spring rates.’

http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/192...che-911-gt2-rs

A Race Chassis in exactly the same vein as the ZR1, only it needs extra stuff to make up for its ill nature!
The ZR1 will get that less than 10s, and will win!
The ACR says so oddly enough!

Sub Driver

You still haven't explained how being slower by 10s is winning. I realize communicating is hard for you but I figured you could understand simple math. I wonder how you function in society more and more with every post you make.

johnglenntwo

First of All, you're an Idiot!

But, I'll make the point again! Three or so of us Trying to be reasonable on here Said So all things considered! We've ran through it from several angles including the capacity of the ZR1 and the concept held!

Telepierre

The "within ten seconds=win" is becoming a movement LOL I like it!

Call for "Nurb not a priority" Tadge...please deliver us those ten or we are TOAST!!

johnglenntwo

Did somebody say they have 3000 orders Already?

NOT AGAIN (NOT ME.....Missouri)!

Sub Driver

This is great! You call someone an idiot and then in the same post cannot write a grammatically correct simple sentence. Priceless. Not to mention you still cannot describe how a car finishing slower by 10 secs wins anything. What does "the capacity of the ZR1 and concept held" mean? You can do this, just think before you write and include facts and context.

Enzom

Hopefully Pobst will run it at Big Willow so we can see what improvement is found over the "regular" Z06


Fastest Production Car Lap Times at Big Willow
2018 McLaren 720S 1:21.75 sec
2018 Lamborghini Huracán Performante (Euro-spec) 1:22.53 sec
2015 Porsche 918 Spyder 1:23.54 sec
2017 Ford GT 1:23.69 sec
2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S 1:24.26 sec
2016 McLaren 675LT 1:24.29 sec
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (Z07, 6M) 1:25.00 sec
2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4 1:25.17 sec
2016 Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce 1:25.42 sec
2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO 1:25.70 sec
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (Z07, 8A) 1:25.76 sec
2015 McLaren 650S Spyder -1:25.88

johnglenntwo

https://jalopnik.com/the-mclaren-720...tea-1794774866

Tuning out some of a mid engines neutral handling, an open differential, and all shook-up on that other track!?
https://jalopnik.com/the-mclaren-720...tea-1794774866

Even Ford!? This could be an interesting summer!