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Old 01-22-2018, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Enzom
Fastest Production Car Lap Times at Big Willow
2018 McLaren 720S 1:21.75 sec
2018 Lamborghini Huracán Performante (Euro-spec) 1:22.53 sec
2015 Porsche 918 Spyder 1:23.54 sec
2017 Ford GT 1:23.69 sec
2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S 1:24.26 sec
2016 McLaren 675LT 1:24.29 sec
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (Z07, 6M) 1:25.00 sec
2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4 1:25.17 sec
2016 Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce 1:25.42 sec
2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO 1:25.70 sec
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (Z07, 8A) 1:25.76 sec
2015 McLaren 650S Spyder -1:25.88
IMO, a VERY stout number by the GT.
Old 01-22-2018, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Enzom
Hopefully Pobst will run it at Big Willow so we can see what improvement is found over the "regular" Z06


Fastest Production Car Lap Times at Big Willow
2018 McLaren 720S 1:21.75 sec
2018 Lamborghini Huracán Performante (Euro-spec) 1:22.53 sec
2015 Porsche 918 Spyder 1:23.54 sec
2017 Ford GT 1:23.69 sec
2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S 1:24.26 sec
2016 McLaren 675LT 1:24.29 sec
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (Z07, 6M) 1:25.00 sec
2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4 1:25.17 sec
2016 Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce 1:25.42 sec
2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO 1:25.70 sec
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (Z07, 8A) 1:25.76 sec
2015 McLaren 650S Spyder -1:25.88
Those numbers seem a little suspect...Z06 slower than a TTS...Don't see that very often on ANY track. 720s nearly 2s faster than the FGT on a SHORT track?? Seems hard to believe. Also the 720s being 2.5s faster than the 675LT on a SHORT track seems hard to believe as well. It might well be faster...but 2.5s on a short track is a country mile.

If those Big Willow numbers translated to the 'Ring' the 720s would be a 7:43.xx. Give or take...Naturally just an assumption.
Old 01-22-2018, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ZoratZ06
Those numbers seem a little suspect...Z06 slower than a TTS...Don't see that very often on ANY track. 720s nearly 2s faster than the FGT on a SHORT track?? Seems hard to believe. Also the 720s being 2.5s faster than the 675LT on a SHORT track seems hard to believe as well. It might well be faster...but 2.5s on a short track is a country mile.

If those Big Willow numbers translated to the 'Ring' the 720s would be a 7:43.xx. Give or take...Naturally just an assumption.
Cut and pasted them right out of MotorTrend. Maybe Randy Pobst will add some color to the 720S time. I'm a bit biased because I drive one, but not shocked at the time.

There is bound to be a supertest somewhere that includes the ZR1 and GT2RS. Only a matter of time.
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Originally Posted by ZoratZ06
Those numbers seem a little suspect...Z06 slower than a TTS...Don't see that very often on ANY track. 720s nearly 2s faster than the FGT on a SHORT track?? Seems hard to believe. Also the 720s being 2.5s faster than the 675LT on a SHORT track seems hard to believe as well. It might well be faster...but 2.5s on a short track is a country mile.

If those Big Willow numbers translated to the 'Ring' the 720s would be a 7:43.xx. Give or take...Naturally just an assumption.
Thats what happens when you test on different days... :>>
Old 01-22-2018, 12:21 PM
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I didn't see the Ford! Getting Good!

1. Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) Chris Winkler 1:21.24
(The ZR1's supposed to be faster!)

That was the old ZO6 time?!

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Old 01-22-2018, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Enzom
Cut and pasted them right out of MotorTrend. Maybe Randy Pobst will add some color to the 720S time. I'm a bit biased because I drive one, but not shocked at the time.

There is bound to be a supertest somewhere that includes the ZR1 and GT2RS. Only a matter of time.
No doubt the 720s is blisteringly fast...BUT, it is really 'that' much faster than a 675LT track car? Hard to imagine that on such a short track.

I know different days has a huge impact...but it's still A LOT. Then again the C7Z test at MRLS was done a on 'green' track and even the ACR-E was 2s slower than it's record lap...so I guess anything is possible.

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Originally Posted by ZoratZ06
No doubt the 720s is blisteringly fast...
Bear in mind: there's no SAE testing done on its engine for HP rating. So, there's that.
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Originally Posted by Lavender
Thats what happens when you test on different days... :>>
That's true. The Ford GT and 720S were tested a week apart.
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Same old great car losing:

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Originally Posted by sunsalem
IMO, a VERY stout number by the GT.
The NFGT just set a new Lightning Lap record with a 2:43 flat. There's a big thread about it on the Ford GT Forum. Just as an FYI, they were very unhappy with the results at Big Willow, claiming it was extremely hot when it ran. I have no idea if that is accurate.
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Originally Posted by redzone
The NFGT just set a new Lightning Lap record with a 2:43 flat. There's a big thread about it on the Ford GT Forum. Just as an FYI, they were very unhappy with the results at Big Willow, claiming it was extremely hot when it ran. I have no idea if that is accurate.
It was in November, I think.
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Originally Posted by redzone
The NFGT just set a new Lightning Lap record with a 2:43 flat. There's a big thread about it on the Ford GT Forum. Just as an FYI, they were very unhappy with the results at Big Willow, claiming it was extremely hot when it ran. I have no idea if that is accurate.

That's the Car and Driver Lightning lap I believe.

Winkler put down a 2:40 in the ACR-E as I recall.

When cars are this fast a lot is condition and Driver dependent.

More than likely I will smash every single Ford GT I will ever see on the track since that number is probably going to be zero.

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Old 01-22-2018, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Racingswh
That's the Car and Driver Lightning lap I believe.

Winkler put down a 2:40 in the ACR-E as I recall.
How can you compare the Fonz to any driver, though? Really.
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How can you compare the Fonz to any driver, though? Really.
True. He had it won when he snapped his fingers and the and they brought over his helmet.
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Originally Posted by Racingswh

When cars are this fast a lot is condition and Driver dependent.
Agreed.
I don't think these track record comparisons mean too much unless they were all tested on the same day, with the same track temp.

More than likely I will smash every single Ford GT I will ever see on the track since that number is probably going to be zero.
How true!
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Originally Posted by Racingswh
That's the Car and Driver Lightning lap I believe.

Winkler put down a 2:40 in the ACR-E as I recall.

When cars are this fast a lot is condition and Driver dependent.

More than likely I will smash every single Ford GT I will ever see on the track since that number is probably going to be zero.
Which will be close to the number of 991 GT2RS's you will encounter with a Weissach package and no climate systems and stereo
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Originally Posted by ZoratZ06
??????

Resale is generally NOT a factor in most car purchases. If it was people would never buy cars that depreciate quickly vs. cars that don't. I'm lost as to what you're trying to say, or how I'm changing my statement.
It's been too long I forgot why I said it and don't really want to research the pages to remember. So carry on

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Old 01-22-2018, 06:46 PM
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Which will be close to the number of 991 GT2RS's you will encounter with a Weissach package and no climate systems and stereo
I just sent a PM to a friend who was prepping his spec Cayman this past weekend. On the lift next to him was a GT2RS. I am already checking if we are going to see it on track with us. My guess is probably not but worth an ask anyway.
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Originally Posted by Racingswh
True. He had it won when he snapped his fingers and the and they brought over his helmet.
eeeehhhhhhhhhhh....
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Originally Posted by Enzom

How can you compare the Fonz to any driver, though? Really.
Originally Posted by Racingswh
True. He had it won when he snapped his fingers and the and they brought over his helmet.
Originally Posted by Poor-sha
eeeehhhhhhhhhhh....


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