johnglenntwo

It is not a bad car - just bucks without that Reputation.
That 911 reputation! Notorious, dangerous, slated for obsolescence, and it outlived its predecessor! AWD and a whole lot of engineering has kept it going strong.

Well, the 911's worthy predecessor somewhat lives and was taking over by the Corvette from then tell now. Interesting it will be when the ZR1 Ringtime is announced!

3 Z06ZR1

They also very few Z06's in 2013 were sold the design was 8 years old by then. The cars were dated!

johnglenntwo

^^^^Now TECH shared by the Corvette!^^^^


The extra bandaids, as I call them, for the rear engine foes:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/chri...tem-13424.html

-AWSteering (back wheels reverse direction too!)

-Active Engine Mounts!

https://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models...r&utm_content=[%tp_VersionID%]--1&utm_campaign=773626

Tomljanovich

While the Posche GT2 styling is outdated it's German engineering is exceptional. Given its high price the Corvette ZR1 is much more cost effective. Both only make sense if you track the cars.

sunsalem

Agreed.

This is a Porsche fanbois myth.
Take a look at the REAL sales numbers:
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...e/porsche-911/

Tomljanovich

Very impressive for the Corvette.

Telepierre

C6 ZR1 did not do that bad vis a vis competition. In the 2009-2013 run they made approximately 4500.

2013 was the worse year at 452.

2013 sales for 911 Turbo and turbo cabriolet tally at 156.

Don't have time now but I am willing to bet that the 2009-2013 run for the 911 TT still comes at 1/3 or less than that of the C6 ZR1..

Truth is the C6 ZR1 was very clever move to take away sales of the high level/low volume competitors because unlike myths Corvette knows people with money ALSO buy Corvettes..

johnglenntwo

My 2005 SC concept Vette to go after the Enzo had them beat:

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissa...vs-nissan-gtr/

themonk

I shake my head at some of the comments in here. As much as I love my C7 it is not better than the 911. Yes it may win in a few categories, price is probably the only one that matters actually, it certainly can't compare to a 911, accept that fact and let it go kool aid drinkers.

sunsalem

I'm not sure what your definition of "better" is, but if we look at PERFORMANCE metrics, then the C7 compares very well to the 911.

johnglenntwo

You must be young. A 911 is coming from a place of misinterpretation. Before electronics took over if you couldn't gas your way out of trouble you were done. Counterintuative and only really tolerated because of its speed!
Bumpy roads were a nightmare with that upsettable mass back there.
AWD helped on the street but ruined the track experience!
If you think the 911 is better than simplicity being the most perfect Engineering is not common sense enough for You!
The ZR1 Wins if it's close! You can get aftermarket lighter weight wheels!

Snorman

Your complete lack of experience and seat time with any of the cars being discussed coupled with the fact that you've made exactly zero laps on a road track qualify you as a completely unbiased and untainted commentator on these topics.

Your missing history of owning such automobiles puts you in the unique position of being completely uninformed of their street and track performance.
S.

johnglenntwo

And These!?
The numb road track 997 turbo
The 991.1 GT3 RS

The 2016 ACR Viper
The 2015 C7 A8 ZO6ZO7(parade lapping SuperSports!)

I'm Dumber just for knowing youse!

911 experience!? I'm really not as dead as you think!

Or is it the New Automated 911 track versions; Your expertise(overrated!) I could whip-up on with

HotHonda

Please provide your source for the 997.2 sales by individual model - have never seen that in press releases.

2013 was the curtain call for the 997 Turbo(s) in the USA. Most buyers were holding off for the all new 991.1 Turbo model.

991.1 regular 911 model's first year was 2012 (called the launch edition) 991.1 Turbo 911 models did not appear until 2104. All 991.2 models (including Turbo) started 2017.

Here's the December 2017 + YTD ....does not include ROW (rest of world)

Telepierre

Sorry..I am getting lost in the 997.2, 997, 991.1 and 991.2 (including turbo)..thing..

To your question of source so I know where to look in my "history" and share.
Which of the above are you asking source for?

Thanks for the 2017 911 data. I did not realize they took that big of a hit.

Sub Driver

More nonsense from the resident mouth breather. What 911 predecessor are you referring to? Still can't form a complete sentence or thought I see.

Sub Driver

What are these random lists and fragmented thoughts supposedd to mean? You seriously have some issues. Do you have a real career and communicate with people?

Telepierre

Conversely some of you really need to drop the “uber” chateau de puttan posturing and present factual motoring anecdotes to make your 911 case.
If in 2018 you are still puzzled at CF members stating the C7 or any Corvette for that matter is better than a 911 then it is time to man up, smell the coffee, and detox from all the C&D marketing articles digested in the past 30 some years..

We can promulgate on the specific motoring accolades of both ZR1 and GT2 all day long and I have done my fair share of presenting factual references, experiences, and knowledge to put forth arguments PRO and CON the 911. I suggest the best way to argue and provide counterfactuals is to do the same instead of “weaseling” out with the same old cut and paste C&D German engineering superiority inconsequential blather.

With all due respect (which I have for trackers).. I don’t have to be a uber tracker nor a automotive component engineer to put on the system engineer hat and state the corvette platform (system) is indeed better (more advanced) than the 911.

Visit the Porsche museum in Stuttgart or read any history book on the 911 and it will become transparent Porsche itself reached the same conclusion on the platform but when it came time to rectify the situation the 928 that is (FE-RT..imagine that!!) “tradition” and “sales” got in the way and Porsche had to revert at a BIG PRICE (pun intended).

As it has been stated by others in this thread, from a SE perspective the Corvette "superiority" lies in its versatility; the ability to do many things well.

The 911, on the contrary is very limited in its versatility and that is why Porsche has to offer 21 (21!!) 911 versions of the same to cover all the motoring requirements.

Like stated, if the 2019 C7 ZR1 (with A/C, infotainment and what have you..) comes within 10 seconds of the GT2 RS (strip version) at the Nurb. then my point would be validated.

Peace!

thegame

I think he is either a genius and we are all dumb or he is the greatest forum troll ever. I honestly try but most of the time I have no idea what john is trying to say lol

johnglenntwo

You actually have a point here since the 928 isn't really a predecessor of the 911. I decided to leave it because of the 928's significance here. The 911 was reborn then, and has micro morphed insurmountably rear engined! Can't even put that into words! But, its miraculousness now!? Yes Indeed!