ZR1 or C8?
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As awesome as the zr1 is....and you don't want to drop 120 grand this coming year and then yearn for the c8 a couple of years later...which we all always do as the latest and greatest corvette always tends to be the best of the breed...
That's corvette tradition for the most part and part of why it's a 65 year American icon...
For the most part...each new generation, each new model slightly eclipses the performance of the previous generation....even the almighty zr1..
Since you already have a 650 hp z06? My suggestion is just hang back and see what the c8 will offer and if you really hate it...then either keep your z06 or get a crazy deal in the last of the zr1 s...
As great as the zr1 I doubt I would ever consider trading in the z06 for a zr1...honestly the differences that gear heads will talk about and what you'll notice 6 months after ownership? Unless your tracking the car...but even then your not racing...
The z06 as it is..is more car than most of us could ever handle..
That's corvette tradition for the most part and part of why it's a 65 year American icon...
For the most part...each new generation, each new model slightly eclipses the performance of the previous generation....even the almighty zr1..
Since you already have a 650 hp z06? My suggestion is just hang back and see what the c8 will offer and if you really hate it...then either keep your z06 or get a crazy deal in the last of the zr1 s...
As great as the zr1 I doubt I would ever consider trading in the z06 for a zr1...honestly the differences that gear heads will talk about and what you'll notice 6 months after ownership? Unless your tracking the car...but even then your not racing...
The z06 as it is..is more car than most of us could ever handle..
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As awesome as the zr1 is....and you don't want to drop 120 grand this coming year and then yearn for the c8 a couple of years later...which we all always do as the latest and greatest corvette always tends to be the best of the breed...
That's corvette tradition for the most part and part of why it's a 65 year American icon...
For the most part...each new generation, each new model slightly eclipses the performance of the previous generation....even the almighty zr1..
Since you already have a 650 hp z06? My suggestion is just hang back and see what the c8 will offer and if you really hate it...then either keep your z06 or get a crazy deal in the last of the zr1 s...
As great as the zr1 I doubt I would ever consider trading in the z06 for a zr1...honestly the differences that gear heads will talk about and what you'll notice 6 months after ownership? Unless your tracking the car...but even then your not racing...
The z06 as it is..is more car than most of us could ever handle..
That's corvette tradition for the most part and part of why it's a 65 year American icon...
For the most part...each new generation, each new model slightly eclipses the performance of the previous generation....even the almighty zr1..
Since you already have a 650 hp z06? My suggestion is just hang back and see what the c8 will offer and if you really hate it...then either keep your z06 or get a crazy deal in the last of the zr1 s...
As great as the zr1 I doubt I would ever consider trading in the z06 for a zr1...honestly the differences that gear heads will talk about and what you'll notice 6 months after ownership? Unless your tracking the car...but even then your not racing...
The z06 as it is..is more car than most of us could ever handle..
Some rotten states like Nebraska also charge a personal property tax and wheel tax as well.
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True, but you have the price off by quite a bit. The 2019 pricing shows a ZR1 coupe base of $118,900. And even the simplest packages of options will put you well over $140, 000 most likely.
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I will wait and see what the C8 has to offer. Not a fan of the new ZR1 as the front looks like they copied a Honda, the wing is not for me and the side vent is absolutely horrible. If I need more HP, I will add to the Z but for now, its all good. Just hoping they don't go from a good body style back to a turd like they did in the 80/90s.
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#26
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If I was to trade my '18 1LZ 7M Z06 in for it...it would probably cost about $70,000 difference + 8% tax and fees + balance owed on my Z!
I will be content with my Z06!
#27
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Call me weird but, the huge amount of space under the hatch was a key selling point on a Corvette. I run errands and buy groceries. You can do that in ultimate style with a C7. You trade performance potential (that you can never really use off of a racetrack) for everyday utility.
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How about if we actually see the ME in person before casting it aside based on true prejudices (where prejudice is literally defined as making a pre-judgment prior to reality).
We are “road trippers,” having taken 7 trips with a combined total of just under 25,000 miles in the last two years alone, so travel space is a key for us. I have full faith the ME will accomodate all we need for our usually 2-3 week trips. The only question I have about its trunk capabilities is whether it will fit two golf club bags. If not, after seeing it, then our golfers can make whatever decisions they wish based on knowledge. BTW, Bob Lutz is a golfer.
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I had planned to trade-in my Z06 for a ZR1, but after further deliberation I’m now considering to wait for the C8, or another car... Aside from the power bump, it’s still the same old C7. Not sure moving to the ZR1 will give me the wow impression that I had when purchasing the Z.
I’m sure that the power increase will be noticeable, however, I have yet to test the limits of the Z06. The cockpit, style, and drivablility will be essentially the same. Aside from having the “King of Corvettes,” the trade might be regrettable... or not. Still on the fence.
I’m sure that the power increase will be noticeable, however, I have yet to test the limits of the Z06. The cockpit, style, and drivablility will be essentially the same. Aside from having the “King of Corvettes,” the trade might be regrettable... or not. Still on the fence.
I would go into it knowing that you will be waiting at least a year and a half for a C8 release if everything is expedited as much as people are "guessing" it to be.
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ZR1 allocation is for 13 mos production
It true that the C7 ZR1 allocations handed out in December will be the only allocation for the entire 2019 production year? Trying to figure out if they will sell all units at MSRP or above or if I wait I can get a price below that. I have a 2015 Z06 so I can surely wait. I can sell my Z06 myself
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We'll probably have plenty of time to sort out a preference.
The way I'm looking at it is this. If the ME debuts Jan. '19 at the NAIAS and goes on sale in fall on 2019, then it will be landing in customers hands about this time (maybe a month or two earlier) in 2019. So, two years from now before an ME could land in my garage.
But, I'm not going to buy a first year version of it. I expect the new platform will need sorted a bit. And I expect them to release the base variant first, followed by the hi-po variant(s) 1 - 2 years after that. And I want the hi-po variant.
So, 3 - 4 years from right now, before a hi-po ME variant would likely land in my hands.
Plenty of time to see what the ZR is all about, and see whether the base ME is dog **** or the cat's meow, and what the hi-po variant of it is going to be.
The way I'm looking at it is this. If the ME debuts Jan. '19 at the NAIAS and goes on sale in fall on 2019, then it will be landing in customers hands about this time (maybe a month or two earlier) in 2019. So, two years from now before an ME could land in my garage.
But, I'm not going to buy a first year version of it. I expect the new platform will need sorted a bit. And I expect them to release the base variant first, followed by the hi-po variant(s) 1 - 2 years after that. And I want the hi-po variant.
So, 3 - 4 years from right now, before a hi-po ME variant would likely land in my hands.
Plenty of time to see what the ZR is all about, and see whether the base ME is dog **** or the cat's meow, and what the hi-po variant of it is going to be.
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We'll probably have plenty of time to sort out a preference.
The way I'm looking at it is this. If the ME debuts Jan. '19 at the NAIAS and goes on sale in fall on 2019, then it will be landing in customers hands about this time (maybe a month or two earlier) in 2019. So, two years from now before an ME could land in my garage.
But, I'm not going to buy a first year version of it. I expect the new platform will need sorted a bit. And I expect them to release the base variant first, followed by the hi-po variant(s) 1 - 2 years after that. And I want the hi-po variant.
So, 3 - 4 years from right now, before a hi-po ME variant would likely land in my hands.
Plenty of time to see what the ZR is all about, and see whether the base ME is dog **** or the cat's meow, and what the hi-po variant of it is going to be.
The way I'm looking at it is this. If the ME debuts Jan. '19 at the NAIAS and goes on sale in fall on 2019, then it will be landing in customers hands about this time (maybe a month or two earlier) in 2019. So, two years from now before an ME could land in my garage.
But, I'm not going to buy a first year version of it. I expect the new platform will need sorted a bit. And I expect them to release the base variant first, followed by the hi-po variant(s) 1 - 2 years after that. And I want the hi-po variant.
So, 3 - 4 years from right now, before a hi-po ME variant would likely land in my hands.
Plenty of time to see what the ZR is all about, and see whether the base ME is dog **** or the cat's meow, and what the hi-po variant of it is going to be.
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Except that I have an early 2015 Z06, so I already have 3 years on my Z06. If I buy a ZR1 now (as planned), then I have about the same 3 years (or more) to determine if I want to sell the ZR1 and go for the ME. In the interim, I get all the benefits of the numerous improvements/fixes to the base Z car plus all the added bonus of the ZR1 for those 3 years to enjoy. To each his own, I'm good with 3 years then moving on.
Sounds like a reasonable plan to me.
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I had planned to trade-in my Z06 for a ZR1, but after further deliberation I’m now considering to wait for the C8, or another car... Aside from the power bump, it’s still the same old C7. Not sure moving to the ZR1 will give me the wow impression that I had when purchasing the Z.
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Very timely topic. Of course, only time will tell.
Definitely do not want to be $130--$140k into a ZR1 and then find out the ME C8 is the car to have. Like many posters above, I have some questions and will wait for answers. For example:
1. Will ZR1 A8 be up to the task and cure any perceived shortcomings with the C7Z A8? Gear ratios, speed of shifts on automatic, speed of shifts with paddles, cooling, etc. Cooling likely addressed, but other issues are still a mystery. Otherwise I will stay with my awesome Gen V Viper GTS.
2. When will the ME C8 actually hit the ground?
3. What is the ZR1 top speed with big wing pkg.?
4. How long will it take GM to work out the bugs on the clean-sheet ME C8?
5. When will GM offer bad a@@ performance versions of the ME C8? (750hp+)
6. What will storage utility in ME C8 be? Cayman/911 space is NOT acceptable.
7. What will the cost of the performance versions of the ME C8 be?
Definitely do not want to be $130--$140k into a ZR1 and then find out the ME C8 is the car to have. Like many posters above, I have some questions and will wait for answers. For example:
1. Will ZR1 A8 be up to the task and cure any perceived shortcomings with the C7Z A8? Gear ratios, speed of shifts on automatic, speed of shifts with paddles, cooling, etc. Cooling likely addressed, but other issues are still a mystery. Otherwise I will stay with my awesome Gen V Viper GTS.
2. When will the ME C8 actually hit the ground?
3. What is the ZR1 top speed with big wing pkg.?
4. How long will it take GM to work out the bugs on the clean-sheet ME C8?
5. When will GM offer bad a@@ performance versions of the ME C8? (750hp+)
6. What will storage utility in ME C8 be? Cayman/911 space is NOT acceptable.
7. What will the cost of the performance versions of the ME C8 be?
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By the time I could get a ZR ie allocations etc the ME will be revealed. Would love the BEAST ZR but waiting to see what the C8 will bring. Both will be spectacular cars
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#39
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I've been giving this a lot of thought as well, and I don't see how any of us can go really wrong with any decision that we make here:
1. Keep the Z06 - FANTASTIC car, gives me a thrill EVERY time I drive it.
2. Trade for the ZR1 - Same fantastic features as Z06 --- plus a little more. Buying early gives exclusivity --- but at a cost.
3. Wait a year or two, and find out more about both the ZR1 and C8, then decide:
A. "go" on the ZR1 and "no go" on the C8 (for whatever reason), and pick up the ZR1 at a reasonable/reduced price from a Dealer or someone jumping to C8.
B. "no go" on the ZR1 (for whatever reason) and "go" on the C8.
One thing is for sure: there are no bad choices here, and all can be revisited as I learn more over time. For now, Option 3 - I'm sitting tight with what I have: C7 M7 Z06.
1. Keep the Z06 - FANTASTIC car, gives me a thrill EVERY time I drive it.
2. Trade for the ZR1 - Same fantastic features as Z06 --- plus a little more. Buying early gives exclusivity --- but at a cost.
3. Wait a year or two, and find out more about both the ZR1 and C8, then decide:
A. "go" on the ZR1 and "no go" on the C8 (for whatever reason), and pick up the ZR1 at a reasonable/reduced price from a Dealer or someone jumping to C8.
B. "no go" on the ZR1 (for whatever reason) and "go" on the C8.
One thing is for sure: there are no bad choices here, and all can be revisited as I learn more over time. For now, Option 3 - I'm sitting tight with what I have: C7 M7 Z06.