Tried to buy a ZR1
#61
Racer
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Wow - tough crowd with some here. First off, sorry your dreams were crushed - I know that sucks. 701 is a good score but as many have said it doesn't only depend on credit score, there has to be enough income to cover payments. Banks look at some times being financed and decide what is the probability that if in financial problem will the consumer stop paying on and then require more money down. What you may want to try is having the dealership reach out to the lender if you have a decent amount of liquid cash on hand. I once ran into this, showed the lender bank statements and reduced the down payment by half. Or, as others have mentioned there are credit unions or speak to other dealers that may have more insight. Don't call it quits yet
Dan
Dan
#62
Drifting
The dealer was Kerbeck. I do like their sales people very much, and I know they have no control over the lenders they work with. I worked with this particular salesperson before and I know he did really want to sell me the car. Like many have said on the forum, there's other lenders out there.
i like kerbeck alot too i got both my c7s from them real nice, professional people.
#63
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Whats your annual income of I may ask. I am in a similar situation with 50k down and an annual income of 110k.
I did not tell my dealer how I pay for my car. But I am concerned a little bit that I may not get approved. My debt to income ratio is 9%. No loans, just rent. Credit score is 815
I did not tell my dealer how I pay for my car. But I am concerned a little bit that I may not get approved. My debt to income ratio is 9%. No loans, just rent. Credit score is 815
#64
Credit unions usually have the best loan rates.
Good luck OP!
Good luck OP!
#65
Drifting
My money works much harder elsewhere than paying auto loan interest rates.
It's akin to saying, 'you shouldn't buy anything unless you can (or are willing to) pay cash.'
I financed my 2018 Z06 Z07 3LZ with zero down (I did get a decent discount off MSRP). It would be silly to pull money out of accounts earning multiple times what my auto loan interest is, provided cash flow is sufficient.
In the business world, you wouldn't be able to leave home base with that mentality.
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#66
Melting Slicks
Over the last 25 years, I have paid cash for all cars or trucks I have purchased. That amounts to 15. I am 71 and bought my first new car at 17. I had to finance my cars until I was about 45. From then on it is either cash or keep my current car.
#67
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Congrats to all that can pay cash! However, for the major majority of the population....we finance! Tell me where would this or any economy be if we all had to buy by cash only? If I had to pay by cash only I would be living in a tent with my bicycle parked outside! lol
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#68
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Before anyone buys a ZR1, critical to first find out what their insurance cost would be — as State Farm and several others are now requiring “individual policyholder qualification reviews” (my term) for the ZR1 — as they are also doing on more than a few other HP cars).
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#69
Drifting
what do they look at ? driving history and age ?
#70
Race Director
Many factors play into any car financing. Debt to income ratio, finance term, credit scores, money down, etc. I was a finance manager at a dealership, and am now the manager.
#71
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Paying cash for a depreciating asset is one thing. Having cash set aside in a reasonable-risk investment, earning an after-tax return
greater than the financing cost of the loan used to buy the asset, is quite different. The concept being that one would sell the investment
to pay-off the loan (or a portion of it) if necessary to keep the asset...
greater than the financing cost of the loan used to buy the asset, is quite different. The concept being that one would sell the investment
to pay-off the loan (or a portion of it) if necessary to keep the asset...
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#72
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I only put down $10k when I bought my 2LT Z51 last year. Since all they did was a credit check with no income verification they looked at me like I was insane when I told them I wanted a 36 month term. The finance manager had come back with 72 month loans. They really tried to talk me out of it.
I told then my credit union would give me 2.9%. If they could beat it or match it they could have the business.
I'm considering getting a ZR1 late next year. Guess we will see how huge a down payment they want.
I told then my credit union would give me 2.9%. If they could beat it or match it they could have the business.
I'm considering getting a ZR1 late next year. Guess we will see how huge a down payment they want.
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#73
Congrats to all that can pay cash! However, for the major majority of the population....we finance! Tell me where would this or any economy be if we all had to buy by cash only? If I had to pay by cash only I would be living in a tent with my bicycle parked outside! lol
Seriously, this car is amazing, but why do people stretch their money trying to think they can afford it. Probably can't even afford a base c7. Buy a c6 and throw a bunch of money into it if you want to go super fast. If you only have 25k in fun money, that's how much car you probably can afford.
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I've never heard of this. I have State Farm and a couple cars with them that have a value more than the new ZR1 and they never done any review or anything. In fact I just email them the vin, tell them if it's going to be a part time vehicle or daily, they tell me the price, I shoot them my bank info, and that's it. Never once has my agent ever asked for anything else.
#76
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I've never heard of this. I have State Farm and a couple cars with them that have a value more than the new ZR1 and they never done any review or anything. In fact I just email them the vin, tell them if it's going to be a part time vehicle or daily, they tell me the price, I shoot them my bank info, and that's it. Never once has my agent ever asked for anything else.
#77
Roughly 10% - 15% of Car Buyers pay cash.
Roughly 30% Lease
The remaining 55% - 60% Get Car Loans.
That data is a couple of years old - so leasing percentages may be even higher by now.
I'm not going to suggest that anyone is "right" or "wrong" or some level of "morally superior" for buying a car with cash vs. getting a car loan or leasing. I think most everyone would agree when people are first starting out - they need a car that is reliable, and that will get them to work every day - and for the majority of people, that means they will need to take out a car loan. However - I would suggest that by the time someone hits their 40's (roughly halfway through their working career) - they should be ABLE to pay for their next car with cash! They may choose to not do so for any number of reasons - but if you can not afford to pay cash for your next car by the time you're in your 40's - you may just want look at less expensive cars - and/or spend a little bit of time thinking about a number of other financial matters - like how you are going to handle retirement (remember the 4% rule) and what would you do if you needed to come up with $10K for home repairs... They say only 40% of the households could come up with the cash to pay for an unexpected $1,000 expense - and that is Absolutely, Utterly Frightening !!! I kind of doubt that is the case with the majority of people on this forum - but by the time you're thinking about buying something like a ZR1 (which we all know is a very neat - very cool, and very expensive toy) - you should probably make absolutely sure that you have most all of your other financial ducks nicely lined up.....
#78
Melting Slicks
couple of points to know...
If you credit score is stellar, dealerships enter your info in the lenders computer system and there is such a thing called "auto approval" The computer decisions the loan and you can walk out without showing any docs other than your drivers license and proof of insurance. This is true up to the magic number of $100k. Once you are over $100k for a car loan...the process isn't that simple. The banks will want proof of income and know that the borrower is rock solid financially.
The dealership is also concerned as any defaults can leave a black mark with the relationship they have with the banks that do the financing.
Kerbeck has offered one of the lowest finance rates available to Corvette buyers...This is in part due to the historically low default rate of their customers with the bank(s) that offer this rate.
Kerbeck doesn't want to put someone into a $145,000 car that is taking their life savings just to make a relatively small deposit. It's a disservice to the borrower and a higher risk to their lenders. They also don't want to saddle their buyer with a high interest lending source that is willing to take the risk.
Sure, there is a lender out there that will most likely do the loan with little money down at a substantially higher interest rate, but does that make sense for the buyer?
If you credit score is stellar, dealerships enter your info in the lenders computer system and there is such a thing called "auto approval" The computer decisions the loan and you can walk out without showing any docs other than your drivers license and proof of insurance. This is true up to the magic number of $100k. Once you are over $100k for a car loan...the process isn't that simple. The banks will want proof of income and know that the borrower is rock solid financially.
The dealership is also concerned as any defaults can leave a black mark with the relationship they have with the banks that do the financing.
Kerbeck has offered one of the lowest finance rates available to Corvette buyers...This is in part due to the historically low default rate of their customers with the bank(s) that offer this rate.
Kerbeck doesn't want to put someone into a $145,000 car that is taking their life savings just to make a relatively small deposit. It's a disservice to the borrower and a higher risk to their lenders. They also don't want to saddle their buyer with a high interest lending source that is willing to take the risk.
Sure, there is a lender out there that will most likely do the loan with little money down at a substantially higher interest rate, but does that make sense for the buyer?
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#79
Melting Slicks
The entire benefit of enough income and well built credit is to enjoy the freedoms of not having to put a down payment on a depreciating accet or any potential accet. Every car bought without down payment, the bank incurs a collateral value loss at a percentage relative to the value and immediate depreciation...
without going on, find a more motivated dealer/bank network.
Thats a bummer
without going on, find a more motivated dealer/bank network.
Thats a bummer
#80
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