ZR1 un-tunable?
12-03-2018, 12:25 PM
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I was going to say, I catch updates on the bottom of the screen once a month or so. Simple solution is disable the wifi entirely, but also what is odd is my GPS randomly doesn't work from time to time as well. Initially when I picked mine up the GPS was off for about a week before it randomly started working. It was out again a couple of weeks ago and started working again last week.
12-03-2018, 12:50 PM
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I was going to say, I catch updates on the bottom of the screen once a month or so. Simple solution is disable the wifi entirely, but also what is odd is my GPS randomly doesn't work from time to time as well. Initially when I picked mine up the GPS was off for about a week before it randomly started working. It was out again a couple of weeks ago and started working again last week.
GPS updates and active cloud based calibration are two completely different things. While the technology is similar, the ramifications are much larger imho.
Everyone wants to be the new Apple, where you barely own your device and the manufacturer has the rights to the software.
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12-04-2018, 03:54 PM
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12-04-2018, 11:24 PM
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Nobody is getting close and nobody is getting around it. Period.
the only solution will be a piggyback of sorts.
so many modules are ALREADY in need of being sent to companies to first be unlocked to be tuned.. the one out right isn't even their toughest...it's the beginning of a new line of ECM. GM got ahead of the curve instead of waiting for the mandating by govt.
they do that with Hope's of being left alone so to speak vs ford who will have close scrutiny when the time comes..
So many newer vehicles need to be connected to their mfr in some way to be tuned (over the air). It's a crazy time with all the autonomous vehicle tech coming fast and strong.
the only solution will be a piggyback of sorts.
so many modules are ALREADY in need of being sent to companies to first be unlocked to be tuned.. the one out right isn't even their toughest...it's the beginning of a new line of ECM. GM got ahead of the curve instead of waiting for the mandating by govt.
they do that with Hope's of being left alone so to speak vs ford who will have close scrutiny when the time comes..
So many newer vehicles need to be connected to their mfr in some way to be tuned (over the air). It's a crazy time with all the autonomous vehicle tech coming fast and strong.
12-05-2018, 02:57 AM
#169
Reeves Callaway has a good working relationship with GM. Callaway isn’t trying to hack anything under the table. It would blow the global deal they have going. Callaway builds almost all of the racing Corvettes used in Europe for starters.
12-05-2018, 10:18 AM
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Nobody is getting close and nobody is getting around it. Period.
the only solution will be a piggyback of sorts.
so many modules are ALREADY in need of being sent to companies to first be unlocked to be tuned.. the one out right isn't even their toughest...it's the beginning of a new line of ECM. GM got ahead of the curve instead of waiting for the mandating by govt.
they do that with Hope's of being left alone so to speak vs ford who will have close scrutiny when the time comes..
So many newer vehicles need to be connected to their mfr in some way to be tuned (over the air). It's a crazy time with all the autonomous vehicle tech coming fast and strong.
the only solution will be a piggyback of sorts.
so many modules are ALREADY in need of being sent to companies to first be unlocked to be tuned.. the one out right isn't even their toughest...it's the beginning of a new line of ECM. GM got ahead of the curve instead of waiting for the mandating by govt.
they do that with Hope's of being left alone so to speak vs ford who will have close scrutiny when the time comes..
So many newer vehicles need to be connected to their mfr in some way to be tuned (over the air). It's a crazy time with all the autonomous vehicle tech coming fast and strong.
I'm willing to bet the E99 controller won't be long. I agree the that the manufactures will continue to try and build a better mouse trap, but there are a lot of smart people out there continually trying to hack their stuff.
12-05-2018, 01:55 PM
#171
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A lot of people said the same thing about the L5P controllers and it took a couple years to get into them, but it's now a reality.
I'm willing to bet the E99 controller won't be long. I agree the that the manufactures will continue to try and build a better mouse trap, but there are a lot of smart people out there continually trying to hack their stuff.
I'm willing to bet the E99 controller won't be long. I agree the that the manufactures will continue to try and build a better mouse trap, but there are a lot of smart people out there continually trying to hack their stuff.
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12-05-2018, 03:32 PM
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Although I'm very interested in tuning a ZR1 to become reality I wonder how much sense does it make overall? If I'm not mistaken the L5P controller is for GM duramax which they sell a bunch, where as the E99 is in a single car for a small group of buyers that can afford a $130K+ luxury sports car. Eventually it may be cracked but at what cost and for what customers? How many of the couple thousand ZR1 owners are really waiting for the ability to tune their car and void their powertrain warranty? Not to mention their tuner would have to figure out how to properly adjust both fueling systems so they play well together.
12-05-2018, 06:20 PM
#173
I don’t think this car was designed with drag racing, 60 ft times, hooking up out of a dig or things related therein. That being said, wouldn’t the best bang for the buck to improve such simply be a pair of 18” wheels shod with the widest stickiest drag radials available?
12-05-2018, 06:36 PM
#174
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Apples to oranges.. comparing L5p to E99.
the people who were able to crack the L5p which did take YEARS are saying it cannot be done.
it's comparable to adding a digit to a combination lock.
Say a 4 digit lock took 3 years and adding 1 more digit takes 10 more years...
by the time anyone figures it out it will be a moot point.
and if each module is looking for a "handoff" to the next and a rolling code over the wifi from the mfr? It's as good as done. And that's the level GM is at now. The 19 pickups have the same ECU.
the people who were able to crack the L5p which did take YEARS are saying it cannot be done.
it's comparable to adding a digit to a combination lock.
Say a 4 digit lock took 3 years and adding 1 more digit takes 10 more years...
by the time anyone figures it out it will be a moot point.
and if each module is looking for a "handoff" to the next and a rolling code over the wifi from the mfr? It's as good as done. And that's the level GM is at now. The 19 pickups have the same ECU.
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12-06-2018, 12:37 AM
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If someone can build it someone can break it. It may take time but will happen. As for the cost of what the tune will be you have to pay to play. If it’s too expensive don’t do it. I intend on doing it as soon as it becomes a reality. I guarantee there are several others with the same mentality. I realize most people are perfectly comfortable with 755hp and no one “needs” more horsepower but half the reason I bought this car is because I want to make it my own.
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12-06-2018, 08:59 AM
#177
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It's already happening. The new generation demands Ota updates, just like tesla and their phones.
These aren't updates to infotainment, these are for the various control modules in the car, that are also calibrated to watch for how the other modules are communicating to each other. You aren't just going to be able to piggyback or throw a man in the middle device in the loop.
These aren't updates to infotainment, these are for the various control modules in the car, that are also calibrated to watch for how the other modules are communicating to each other. You aren't just going to be able to piggyback or throw a man in the middle device in the loop.
Last edited by spinkick; 12-06-2018 at 09:08 AM.
12-06-2018, 09:01 AM
#178
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If someone can build it someone can break it. It may take time but will happen. As for the cost of what the tune will be you have to pay to play. If it’s too expensive don’t do it. I intend on doing it as soon as it becomes a reality. I guarantee there are several others with the same mentality. I realize most people are perfectly comfortable with 755hp and no one “needs” more horsepower but half the reason I bought this car is because I want to make it my own.
Last edited by spinkick; 12-06-2018 at 09:01 AM.
12-06-2018, 09:04 AM
#179
Melting Slicks
Nobody is getting close and nobody is getting around it. Period.
the only solution will be a piggyback of sorts.
so many modules are ALREADY in need of being sent to companies to first be unlocked to be tuned.. the one out right isn't even their toughest...it's the beginning of a new line of ECM. GM got ahead of the curve instead of waiting for the mandating by govt.
they do that with Hope's of being left alone so to speak vs ford who will have close scrutiny when the time comes..
So many newer vehicles need to be connected to their mfr in some way to be tuned (over the air). It's a crazy time with all the autonomous vehicle tech coming fast and strong.
the only solution will be a piggyback of sorts.
so many modules are ALREADY in need of being sent to companies to first be unlocked to be tuned.. the one out right isn't even their toughest...it's the beginning of a new line of ECM. GM got ahead of the curve instead of waiting for the mandating by govt.
they do that with Hope's of being left alone so to speak vs ford who will have close scrutiny when the time comes..
So many newer vehicles need to be connected to their mfr in some way to be tuned (over the air). It's a crazy time with all the autonomous vehicle tech coming fast and strong.
12-06-2018, 10:48 AM
#180
The L5P had the same sky is falling ecm, and now they are tunable. If the E99 is a similar configuration it's only a matter of time before we can finally see what the zr1 can do.
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