Racingswh

I am aware. I always use the word "smashed". lol!! 1 tenth is a slim margin.

As I said in a following post as I do every time people spout about the particular performance of a car at whatever track driven by pro's is that it doesn't matter. It's simply bench racing fodder.

Well driven a Viper ACR-E works pretty well. So does a C7Z06 and I expect no different from the ZR1.

I do not expect the C7ZR1 to be slower in the corners than my Grand Sport which is damn near the same in many corners with me driving as my ACR-E. I am however willing to put the GS in harms way FAR more often.

I fully expect the ZR1 to be harder off the corner than the ACR-E and have significantly higher terminal velocities on the straights.

The ZR1 also benefits from better gearing requiring less shifts upshifts at inopportune times as compared to the ACR-E.

I love them both with the front of the ZR1 growing on me. If the ZR1 proves to be track worthy without a lot of fuss and impossible to hunt down intermittent cooling and power loss gremlins I will have one of those along side the ACR-E.

meadowz06

Nope. It does not have the history to be America’s muscle car.
Was not built long enough!

rb185afm

.1 on different days is a wash. Can’t claim that as a win let alone smashing.

sunsalem

The Viper is missed; no doubt about it.
A unique car, but all things must change...but Dodge refused and its end was inevitable.
Fortunately, around 20,000 were made and we will continue to see them on the road occasionally.

And it is not a Muscle Car.

XpatVetteLover

Your opinion bud. The Viper in my opinion is America's Supercar. No other Car comes close.

SBC_and_a_stick

The king of what? If we're talking about going on track for 2 hot laps the ZR1 might have a small edge. If we're talking about anything more than 2 laps my money is on the lighter, naturally aspirated car.

I don't know home much pounding a 6.2L can take making 855hp ( ~ 100hp to spin the blower) compared to a 8.4L of roughly the same architecture making only 650hp. The Viper is an all purpose machine on the road course whereas the ZR1 is more of a hot lap car but substantially better on the road and top speed runs.

The Viper is a track car that only gets used as a road car to get to the road course. The ZR1 is a road car that can do time attack duty. I'd say despite similar origins are quite different in capabilities.

Quinten33

It's all about opinion. Some may argue that it isn't a supercar, or that it isn't a muscle car, and neither side would b fully wrong or right. I think that the Ford GT is America's supercar, considering its heritage and all. However, the Viper is iconic and I hope it returns soon like Car and Driver claims to be true.

sunsalem

C&D is claiming this?
I think that might be a lot of wishful thinking.

IF it does come back it will be NOTHING like the original vision.
That car didn't sell enough to survive, and nothing has changed in the marketplace hinting it will work NOW.
Should Dodge want to and can get Sergio Marchionne to sign off on it, it will be more like the Vette than before.
The V10 will be gone, FI will be served up, and the thing won't require the AC to be on when driving it anywhere.

OnPoint

^^^ Yeah C & D has a render of what they say may be a new Viper coming. Aluminum block Hellcat type V8.

They could be all wet and pullin' it out their azz, too, so who knows.

Xanthophyll

Hell, if they're crazy enough to put it in a Jeep, only makes sense they'd try and put it in a Viper. But you're right, who knows?

Mark Ca

that was a great video.

SBC_and_a_stick

Ford GT, the original, was British with an American engine.

Ford GT, the current one, is Canadian with an American engine.

To be a America's supercar it will first need to be American. Even a base Corvette is more of America's supercar than a Ford GT ever will.

Sub Driver

Not really. The GT40 was a collaboration between Ford and Lola and Mk I-III were built in England and the Mk IV was built in the US.


The new Ford GT was designed by Ford and is only assembled in Ontario by a Ford owned plant. Seems pretty American to me. If we followed your logic, most cars would be Mexican since everyone from GM to VW to Nissan has plants there.

SBC_and_a_stick

I don't think that's true. Ford looked for a car already developed in which they could transplant a Ford V8. They found the Lola, bought the rights to it and they fine tuned. You could argue Ford modified it extensively by the end of the whole thing but it wasn't a clean sheet design based on American engineering, except for the engine. If this was a "collaboration" today in F1 it would be called Lola-Ford similar to McLaren-Renault. Back in those days the GT was one of the least American cars considering American cars were almost 100% designed and built in the U.S.

The new Ford GT is made by Multimatic. Multimatic competed in motorsport for the last 25 years. Ford didn't go there because they have clean bathrooms.

CNU_Physics

Just my opinion. The GT is America's Supercar, the Viper is America's exotic, the Corvette is America's sportscar.

rob62

dodge = exotic only when Lou Costello is teaching a math class.

Racingswh

Just a regular guy put down a lap running with Chin at VIR. There are just a handful of guys in the Country that own ACR-E's that are extremely quick and Gary is one of them.

Driven well I expect the ZR1 to be even quicker but it's not going to be easy. Poorsha is going to have to drive his new car really well and really hard to best this time. Luckily they both know the track extremely well and are very competent driver's so I think it's a very fair comparison.

Stock power on Hoosier R7's I believe is how Gary run's his car.

snow

That was a great video...

Racingswh

I thought so too.

Of note look how cool the thing stays. Still below 200 degrees F on lap 7, his quick lap.

Also look how calmly he touches the wheel with his right hand. He guides the car.

His G meter stays very reasonable (1.5 or below) the entire lap indicating he's driving the car on a line where it wants to be driven. Not forcing the car to go somewhere it doesn't want to.

Nice lap.

TrackAire

Wow, great video and driving....made my heart rate go up.

LOL at the 199 degree engine temps.