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Old 04-25-2018, 12:27 AM   #1  
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I know some of you like to rag on the creator of the because itís the trendy thing to do but heís putting in work and actually using his car which I love. Another Demon goes down and the ZR1 even with all of the downforce is proving to be a lot faster than advertised.

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Nice video.. ZR1 keeps on impressing

But to be honest those races were very short, I would assume from 40-130 at most, race them longer and the Demon might catch up or maybe pull up top.

I'm saying this based on Z06 (Z07 package) vs Hellcat, the Corvette will be ahead till 150mph then the hellcat will pull up top... the too much downforce on C7s can kill them up top.
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Yeah from all of the videos out the Demon’s don’t seem to pull up top at all so I doubt it.
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Nice video.. ZR1 keeps on impressing

But to be honest those races were very short, I would assume from 40-130 at most, race them longer and the Demon might catch up or maybe pull up top.

I'm saying this based on Z06 (Z07 package) vs Hellcat, the Corvette will be ahead till 150mph then the hellcat will pull up top... the too much downforce on C7s can kill them up top.
The races were short because once the ZR1 was pulling the Demon the Demon gave up. Only while things were tight did the Demon stay in the race. Nice job with ZR1 hoping to see a Demon or something else soon while I drive 1550 miles in next few days!
Nice job on the vids and thanks from the vids.
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I don't think I have seen a video of a Demon winning a race yet.
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Nice video.. ZR1 keeps on impressing

But to be honest those races were very short, I would assume from 40-130 at most, race them longer and the Demon might catch up or maybe pull up top.

I'm saying this based on Z06 (Z07 package) vs Hellcat, the Corvette will be ahead till 150mph then the hellcat will pull up top... the too much downforce on C7s can kill them up top.
I get to race them against each other all the time, it depends on what speed you go at, as to which car will win

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Both awesome vehicles although being a corvette owner on corvette forum does make the videos where the corvette wins a little more popular here..

I'm sure on the demon site they have videos where the demon wins...

At these capabilities both of these vehicles are amazing accomplishments

Having both is even cooler...lol congrats! And thanks for the good insight
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ZR1 a good bit lighter and more slippery.

Looks like Chevy may have been sandbagging the #s on that LT5. Makes me wonder if there isn't something to the 100-Octane rumors.
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Looks like Chevy may have been sandbagging the #s on that LT5. Makes me wonder if there isn't something to the 100-Octane rumors.
This could be some truth to that. On the other end of the spectrum...

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I don't think I have seen a video of a Demon winning a race yet.
I think the Demon was advertised on what it potentially can do based on numerous conditionals versus what it's natively capable of. I believe GuitarmageddonZL1 brought up some points about this awhile back in a YouTube vid. The Demon is still nothing to sneeze at.
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I have a track rental on Sunday with my ZR1 and a Dodge Demon client is supposed to be there as well. Stay tuned
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Well proven now that these Demons are not that much faster than a Hellcat. Especially from a roll, the differences are very small. So far, Intake + tune A10 ZL1 has beaten it, several different exotics, and now a C7 ZR1. The LT5 isn't underrated, it put down 668 RWHP through an M7, that's bullseye on for 755 crank HP from a Dynojet. The Demon's are just not that fast. I've completely 100% dismissed the manufacturer claims for the Demon and am ONLY going off of what owners are producing with these. So far, I haven't seen them do ANYTHING impressive. 2.3 second 0-60 and 9.6 1/4 mile? Yeah right. Also, seems that 99% of the owners are still on the 91/93 "808 HP" setup, and they're getting destroyed. Dodge claims a 32 HP crank HP gain with 100 octane. I think these things are running more like 750 HP or less on the stock 91/93 tune, and maybe they're getting close to 840 HP on a 100 octane but they definitely over-blew the 808 HP on pump numbers. They're losing to everything left and right. All that the SRT fan boys can say is "Oh do it from a roll" "Oh he had all the seats in, doesn't count" "He wasn't running the skinnies, so clearly it wasn't fair" "These are meant for dig racing, and by the way he wasn't on 100 octane".

Fact is, Pump Gas with Full Interior and big tires all the way around is probably how 85%+ of the Demon's are running on the road.

By the way, it can be argued that once the Crate is installed, with skinnies that have to be sourced YOURSELF because Dodge only includes the rims, is that REALLY a showroom stock vehicle? Something that should hold the "production car record" off of some bogus manufacturer claims? Come on now...

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Yeah from all of the videos out the Demonís donít seem to pull up top at all so I doubt it.
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The races were short because once the ZR1 was pulling the Demon the Demon gave up. Only while things were tight did the Demon stay in the race. Nice job with ZR1 hoping to see a Demon or something else soon while I drive 1550 miles in next few days!
Nice job on the vids and thanks from the vids.
The ZR1 can take the ACR too! You and yours...NSM!
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Wow the ZR pulled hard
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Well proven now that these Demons are not that much faster than a Hellcat. Especially from a roll, the differences are very small. So far, Intake + tune A10 ZL1 has beaten it, several different exotics, and now a C7 ZR1. The LT5 isn't underrated, it put down 668 RWHP through an M7, that's bullseye on for 755 crank HP from a Dynojet. The Demon's are just not that fast. I've completely 100% dismissed the manufacturer claims for the Demon and am ONLY going off of what owners are producing with these. So far, I haven't seen them do ANYTHING impressive. 2.3 second 0-60 and 9.6 1/4 mile? Yeah right. Also, seems that 99% of the owners are still on the 91/93 "808 HP" setup, and they're getting destroyed. Dodge claims a 32 HP crank HP gain with 100 octane. I think these things are running more like 750 HP or less on the stock 91/93 tune, and maybe they're getting close to 840 HP on a 100 octane but they definitely over-blew the 808 HP on pump numbers. They're losing to everything left and right. All that the SRT fan boys can say is "Oh do it from a roll" "Oh he had all the seats in, doesn't count" "He wasn't running the skinnies, so clearly it wasn't fair" "These are meant for dig racing, and by the way he wasn't on 100 octane".

Fact is, Pump Gas with Full Interior and big tires all the way around is probably how 85%+ of the Demon's are running on the road.

By the way, it can be argued that once the Crate is installed, with skinnies that have to be sourced YOURSELF because Dodge only includes the rims, is that REALLY a showroom stock vehicle? Something that should hold the "production car record" off of some bogus manufacturer claims? Come on now...



You are correct, my hellcat beat my demon, both on 100 octane, never dyno'd the demon, but the hellcat is 731 whp on 100 octane, stock with only a carbon fiber air intake, both on nitto DR
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Watched a Demon run 9.90's and 10.0's at Bradenton a few weeks ago with wide fronts. The car didn't have 500 miles on it.
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Roll Racing a Demon is Ridiculous. It was designed specifically to run the 1/4 Mile. Run a Bone stock Demon against a bone stock ZR1 in the 1/4 mile same day same track equal drivers and see what happens.
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Well proven now that these Demons are not that much faster than a Hellcat. Especially from a roll, the differences are very small. So far, Intake + tune A10 ZL1 has beaten it, several different exotics, and now a C7 ZR1. The LT5 isn't underrated, it put down 668 RWHP through an M7, that's bullseye on for 755 crank HP from a Dynojet. The Demon's are just not that fast. I've completely 100% dismissed the manufacturer claims for the Demon and am ONLY going off of what owners are producing with these. So far, I haven't seen them do ANYTHING impressive. 2.3 second 0-60 and 9.6 1/4 mile? Yeah right. Also, seems that 99% of the owners are still on the 91/93 "808 HP" setup, and they're getting destroyed. Dodge claims a 32 HP crank HP gain with 100 octane. I think these things are running more like 750 HP or less on the stock 91/93 tune, and maybe they're getting close to 840 HP on a 100 octane but they definitely over-blew the 808 HP on pump numbers. They're losing to everything left and right. All that the SRT fan boys can say is "Oh do it from a roll" "Oh he had all the seats in, doesn't count" "He wasn't running the skinnies, so clearly it wasn't fair" "These are meant for dig racing, and by the way he wasn't on 100 octane".

Fact is, Pump Gas with Full Interior and big tires all the way around is probably how 85%+ of the Demon's are running on the road.

By the way, it can be argued that once the Crate is installed, with skinnies that have to be sourced YOURSELF because Dodge only includes the rims, is that REALLY a showroom stock vehicle? Something that should hold the "production car record" off of some bogus manufacturer claims? Come on now...



Demon versus Hellcat one full second in the 1/4 mile is not much faster? The crate comes with the car from the factory so itís considered stock. You can Mod a Honda Civic to run low 9ís, itís bone stock for bone stock on original tires.
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Yeah from all of the videos out the Demonís donít seem to pull up top at all so I doubt it.
Top or bottom they carry an extra 800 pounds of weight.
Just like I thought with out the 60ft from the dig the ZR1 manual wins the roll race.
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I don't think I have seen a video of a Demon winning a race yet.
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Demon versus Hellcat one full second in the 1/4 mile is not much faster? The crate comes with the car from the factory so itís considered stock. You can Mod a Honda Civic to run low 9ís, itís bone stock for bone stock on original tires.
I haven't seen any full second difference, certainly not the ~1.4-1.6 second that it was supposed to be (9.6 vs 10.9-11.2). You have an actual owner of both above saying that when both were on 100 octane and otherwise bone stock (Besides an intake), the Hellcat one. The Demon's are only going to gain an advantage when properly driven on a prepped surface at the strip, and even then it's going to take luck and practice to get them to go fast. They're never going to run 9.6s, but that's my opinion.

The Crate doesn't really "come with it" per say, it's not like Floor mats or wheel locks that come in the trunk upon delivery. You must contact Dodge/The dealer, have them order it and it takes a month or so to get to you. They don't supply tires for the skinnies, and the ECU must be installed by a dealer. It's pushing the boundaries of factory production car for sure.
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