Anyone lining up a 720S vs A8 ZR1?
04-26-2018, 11:47 AM
#41
In my opinion it’s be an interesting 1/4 mile race on a prepped track so the ZR1 could get decent traction... but from a roll or a high speed race, 720S will run off and leave the ZR1.
As an example my 650S with a tune and downpipes ran 137mph in the 1/4 and two weekends ago at Dallas WGF it ran a best of 166mph (1/2 mile) for those that don’t know and BONE stock 720’s were running 173-174mph compared to my 166mph. Huuuuuuuge difference the longer the race goes on.
As an example my 650S with a tune and downpipes ran 137mph in the 1/4 and two weekends ago at Dallas WGF it ran a best of 166mph (1/2 mile) for those that don’t know and BONE stock 720’s were running 173-174mph compared to my 166mph. Huuuuuuuge difference the longer the race goes on.
04-26-2018, 12:04 PM
#42
Pro
For sure, the Vette does it's work in the mid range. Launches and top end go to the McLaren's. And 10.2 is a slow pass for a 720S. Owners are running 9.7s-10.0s regularly. As mentioned, 170+ MPH in the 1/2 mile and the faster you go and bigger gears you get into, the more the McLaren's turn up the boost.
04-26-2018, 04:38 PM
#43
Instructor
At the strip, on the highway, and in Mexico, the 720S will win. DragTimes and several others have made countless videos on the animal, that is the 720S. There's nothing that runs with it there.
But the videos I saw of the M7 ZR1 vs Demon, the ZR1 annihilated it, especially if they started even. When the Demon got the jump, the ZR1 still pulled it good after a gear or two. Within weeks, one of the first passes of a ZR1 owner at the strip with DR's put down a 10.1 with an A8 ZR1! The Demon has been in owners hands for months and months now, so far, most owners are running high 10s/mid 10s, only ONE has broken 9s and only 3-4 have run 10.1 or better. The ZR1 beats the Demon in every dimension. The Demon is such a useless one trick pony, IMO it's a total failure of a vehicle. Dodge needs to get back in the Viper business and build something worth buying again.
But back to the subject at hand, I believe the 720S would beat the ZR1 in all situations, not just straight-line. It's not like most American cars. The 720S doesn't sacrifice track performance for straight line speed. It is very light, active aero, great suspension, low drag, and is every bit as good or better than the ZR1 in every category, HP, brakes, transmission, weight, aero, etc. I know it looks like I'm hating on the ZR1, I'm not. I think the ZR1 will likely set the production car record at many tracks, other than just VIR. But the 720S hasn't released a 'Ring time or any others that I'm aware of, at least ones that are important. I bet you the 720S will run with a P1 on a track, and if that's the case, the ZR1 will have a helluva fight at the track. On the highway or at the strip, it won't be close. This is what you get when you spend $350-$400k on a McLaren, they're monsters, not easily outdone. And yes you could buy 2-3 ZR1's for one 720S, and yes, likely full bolt ons will make the ZR1 run with a 720S on the highway/strip. But the 720S, in my opinion, is also 2-3 times better, not just in performance but in aesthetics, appeal, and satisfaction.
If one was rich enough to buy a 720S with ease, then I doubt they'd ever consider a Chevy Corvette. I'm seriously considering selling off a few of my Chevy's and getting a 720S or 488.
But the videos I saw of the M7 ZR1 vs Demon, the ZR1 annihilated it, especially if they started even. When the Demon got the jump, the ZR1 still pulled it good after a gear or two. Within weeks, one of the first passes of a ZR1 owner at the strip with DR's put down a 10.1 with an A8 ZR1! The Demon has been in owners hands for months and months now, so far, most owners are running high 10s/mid 10s, only ONE has broken 9s and only 3-4 have run 10.1 or better. The ZR1 beats the Demon in every dimension. The Demon is such a useless one trick pony, IMO it's a total failure of a vehicle. Dodge needs to get back in the Viper business and build something worth buying again.
But back to the subject at hand, I believe the 720S would beat the ZR1 in all situations, not just straight-line. It's not like most American cars. The 720S doesn't sacrifice track performance for straight line speed. It is very light, active aero, great suspension, low drag, and is every bit as good or better than the ZR1 in every category, HP, brakes, transmission, weight, aero, etc. I know it looks like I'm hating on the ZR1, I'm not. I think the ZR1 will likely set the production car record at many tracks, other than just VIR. But the 720S hasn't released a 'Ring time or any others that I'm aware of, at least ones that are important. I bet you the 720S will run with a P1 on a track, and if that's the case, the ZR1 will have a helluva fight at the track. On the highway or at the strip, it won't be close. This is what you get when you spend $350-$400k on a McLaren, they're monsters, not easily outdone. And yes you could buy 2-3 ZR1's for one 720S, and yes, likely full bolt ons will make the ZR1 run with a 720S on the highway/strip. But the 720S, in my opinion, is also 2-3 times better, not just in performance but in aesthetics, appeal, and satisfaction.
If one was rich enough to buy a 720S with ease, then I doubt they'd ever consider a Chevy Corvette. I'm seriously considering selling off a few of my Chevy's and getting a 720S or 488.
04-26-2018, 05:15 PM
#45
Melting Slicks
I took a look at Car and Driver's best test of the C7 Z06 for reference. Off an 11.1 @ 127 mph quarter that car went on to run to 160 mph in 22.9 seconds. Make no mistake, that is fast. Very fast.
It's just that the 720S ran to 160 mph in 12.7 seconds.
Feel free to reread that sentence.
To paraphrase one poster on Car and Driver's site, the Macca's 7.1 second 0 - 120 mph would be a great 0-60 time for 90% of the cars on the road today.
Simply put, 710 hp (as if) in a 3,161 lb. mid-engined car with a 41.7 / 58.3 F/R balance won't end well at all for its would-be competitors. Short of bringing a 918 or a Chiron to the fight I don't see how you win against that thing. I don't think even the Ford GT or 911 GT2 RS will be able to touch it from a standstill or a roll.
04-26-2018, 05:29 PM
#47
04-26-2018, 05:32 PM
#48
Melting Slicks
918 will defeat the 720S
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=720s+918
A Chiron will nuke them both from orbit.
A Chiron will kill everything.
Everything.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=720s+918
A Chiron will nuke them both from orbit.
A Chiron will kill everything.
Everything.
04-26-2018, 05:52 PM
#49
Pro
considering the 720s beat a Porsche 918 pretty handily from a roll the ZR won't really keep up, IMO it won't be close
I would still take a ZR because it comes in manual and the V8 soundtrack is much more uncorked
a 130+mph trap car is super overkill for the street, both cars are faster than ****
edit: just saw the video above, odd I could have sworn I saw a video of a 720s edging out a 918 from a roll before, I stand corrected
I would still take a ZR because it comes in manual and the V8 soundtrack is much more uncorked
a 130+mph trap car is super overkill for the street, both cars are faster than ****
edit: just saw the video above, odd I could have sworn I saw a video of a 720s edging out a 918 from a roll before, I stand corrected
Last edited by furiousox; 04-26-2018 at 05:54 PM.
04-26-2018, 06:04 PM
#50
Race Director
As much as I love the ZR1, the 720s will leave it standing still. No competition at all! Under 3,000lbs and close to 800hp!
04-26-2018, 06:09 PM
#51
Pro
918 will defeat the 720S
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=720s+918
A Chiron will nuke them both from orbit.
A Chiron will kill everything.
Everything.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=720s+918
A Chiron will nuke them both from orbit.
A Chiron will kill everything.
Everything.
As for a Chiron, there's almost no proven numbers out on that car. Again, if we went off manufacturer claims, the 720S wouldn't be nearly as impressive as it is. The Demon's claims would bury them both. So no, we can't go off manufacturer claims. I bet the 720S will challenge a Chiron nicely, no doubt the Chiron would be faster than both in straight-line speed, that's what the Bugatti is built for, and over 150 MPH they just don't slow down. But under those kinds of speeds or on a track, I bet the 720S and 918 would sit a Bugatti down nicely. All speculation but nothing you can't do with a little money thrown in, eh?
Last edited by Can'tHave2MuchHP; 04-26-2018 at 06:10 PM.
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04-26-2018, 06:26 PM
#52
Race Director
Sorry but this isn't very accurate. First off, that video is a pretty bad comparison. The 720S was 1-2 seconds slower to 60 MPH (Traction was horrid I watched several videos of this event and even AWD Huracans were spinning all 4) so 1-2 seconds slower 0-60 and was coming in within 1-3 MPH up top from what I saw. I'll call that a tie at best. Considering the 918 was $900k and now can't be touched under a million and 720S's are in the $300k-$400k range. Plus RWD vs AWD. Up top the 720S is faster than a 918, just like the P1 is faster than the 918. The McLaren platform and aero/engine/boost whatever it is is perfect for top speed/high speed runs.
As for a Chiron, there's almost no proven numbers out on that car. Again, if we went off manufacturer claims, the 720S wouldn't be nearly as impressive as it is. The Demon's claims would bury them both. So no, we can't go off manufacturer claims. I bet the 720S will challenge a Chiron nicely, no doubt the Chiron would be faster than both in straight-line speed, that's what the Bugatti is built for, and over 150 MPH they just don't slow down. But under those kinds of speeds or on a track, I bet the 720S and 918 would sit a Bugatti down nicely. All speculation but nothing you can't do with a little money thrown in, eh?
As for a Chiron, there's almost no proven numbers out on that car. Again, if we went off manufacturer claims, the 720S wouldn't be nearly as impressive as it is. The Demon's claims would bury them both. So no, we can't go off manufacturer claims. I bet the 720S will challenge a Chiron nicely, no doubt the Chiron would be faster than both in straight-line speed, that's what the Bugatti is built for, and over 150 MPH they just don't slow down. But under those kinds of speeds or on a track, I bet the 720S and 918 would sit a Bugatti down nicely. All speculation but nothing you can't do with a little money thrown in, eh?
04-26-2018, 06:54 PM
#53
Instructor
Some important people might disagree, those videos (all of them) have since been deleted. Yikes.
I disagree. On a poorly prepped runway (the video you are referencing) the 720s was catching the 918. Check out the splits at 12:44.
04-26-2018, 06:57 PM
#54
Instructor
04-26-2018, 07:18 PM
#55
Le Mans Master
And! ;)
- It is a ME
- Its relatively huge perfectly positioned mid to upper level power on tap
Chiron Data!
https://carbuzz.com/news/koenigsegg-agera-rs-sets-yet-another-top-speed-record
Sorry but this isn't very accurate. First off, that video is a pretty bad comparison. The 720S was 1-2 seconds slower to 60 MPH (Traction was horrid I watched several videos of this event and even AWD Huracans were spinning all 4) so 1-2 seconds slower 0-60 and was coming in within 1-3 MPH up top from what I saw. I'll call that a tie at best. Considering the 918 was $900k and now can't be touched under a million and 720S's are in the $300k-$400k range. Plus RWD vs AWD. Up top the 720S is faster than a 918, just like the P1 is faster than the 918. The McLaren platform and aero/engine/boost whatever it is is perfect for top speed/high speed runs.
As for a Chiron, there's almost no proven numbers out on that car. Again, if we went off manufacturer claims, the 720S wouldn't be nearly as impressive as it is. The Demon's claims would bury them both. So no, we can't go off manufacturer claims. I bet the 720S will challenge a Chiron nicely, no doubt the Chiron would be faster than both in straight-line speed, that's what the Bugatti is built for, and over 150 MPH they just don't slow down. But under those kinds of speeds or on a track, I bet the 720S and 918 would sit a Bugatti down nicely. All speculation but nothing you can't do with a little money thrown in, eh?
As for a Chiron, there's almost no proven numbers out on that car. Again, if we went off manufacturer claims, the 720S wouldn't be nearly as impressive as it is. The Demon's claims would bury them both. So no, we can't go off manufacturer claims. I bet the 720S will challenge a Chiron nicely, no doubt the Chiron would be faster than both in straight-line speed, that's what the Bugatti is built for, and over 150 MPH they just don't slow down. But under those kinds of speeds or on a track, I bet the 720S and 918 would sit a Bugatti down nicely. All speculation but nothing you can't do with a little money thrown in, eh?
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 04-26-2018 at 09:34 PM.
04-26-2018, 10:42 PM
#56
The 720S is a Good example of why GM is going Mid Engine on the Corvette. The Exotics like McLaren have another huge advantage over the ZR1 Corvette as stated in the latest R&T and that is the ZR1 has to be certified to the same standard as a base non Z51 Stingray meaning it has do things like Ford 12 inches of water at 5MPH. GM said it was a hassle to certify it and the exotic brand engineers don’t have to do that stuff.
04-27-2018, 10:53 PM
#57
Fastest stock Mclaren 720s has been is 9.9 at 140mph. Someone just went 10.1 at 138 mph on a tire with a zr1. With a few bolt ones the new zr1is going to be an Animal. Can’thave2muchhp should buy a Mclaren because all he is doing is bashing corvettes on a CorvetteForum. Definitely something off there
04-27-2018, 11:08 PM
#59
Drifting
Fastest stock Mclaren 720s has been is 9.9 at 140mph. Someone just went 10.1 at 138 mph on a tire with a zr1. With a few bolt ones the new zr1is going to be an Animal. Can’thave2muchhp should buy a Mclaren because all he is doing is bashing corvettes on a CorvetteForum. Definitely something off there
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04-27-2018, 11:21 PM
#60
Fastest stock Mclaren 720s has been is 9.9 at 140mph. Someone just went 10.1 at 138 mph on a tire with a zr1. With a few bolt ones the new zr1is going to be an Animal. Can’thave2muchhp should buy a Mclaren because all he is doing is bashing corvettes on a CorvetteForum. Definitely something off there