What's Taking GM So Long For a Ring Time?
05-03-2018, 01:00 PM
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JVP, while I trust you are in the know somewhat, whats the reason for going back after the car has been on sale? Future calibrations?
05-03-2018, 01:04 PM
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We will see a time not just right now. I think there is so much hype right now around the release of the car with ppl falling over themselves to get one that the last thing they want is to run a shitty time and blow that hype out of the water... JMHO
05-03-2018, 01:15 PM
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To be perfectly fair, I'm not really keen on them spending the cash and hauling a car and couple of guys over to the 'Ring. BTW, it's usually just Jim and maybe 1 or 2 other engineers. That versus a seeming racing team from the likes of Porsche. In my opinion, it makes more sense (and cents) to save their money, choose 3-5 other tracks here in the states, and do their validation work on those. There's just too much stupidity involved when it comes to the 'Ring, and we're seeing parts of that right here on the forum, from a bunch of armchair racers who have no intentions of ever buying a ZR1.
Eliminate it completely and beat the snot out of the car here in the states. Call it good.
But that's my opinion. I'm not on the "decision making" team. ;-)
05-03-2018, 01:29 PM
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That was another question I had. Why not do the validation right on the US tracks where most of the customers will be tracking. Will they eventually stop using the Ring and just do their validations at the major tracks in the US? I think GM is probably the last American automaker who had interest in posting fast times over there. No Ford GT, No ACR times and the absence of any 7th Generation Corvette times is telling.
05-03-2018, 01:33 PM
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I wouldn't even begin to speculate on that. I honestly have no idea whether they'd even remotely consider ceasing the expensive trips to Germany.
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05-03-2018, 01:36 PM
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That was another question I had. Why not do the validation right on the US tracks where most of the customers will be tracking. Will they eventually stop using the Ring and just do their validations at the major tracks in the US? I think GM is probably the last American automaker who had interest in posting fast times over there. No Ford GT, No ACR times and the absence of any 7th Generation Corvette times is telling.
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05-03-2018, 01:45 PM
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To be perfectly fair, I'm not really keen on them spending the cash and hauling a car and couple of guys over to the 'Ring. BTW, it's usually just Jim and maybe 1 or 2 other engineers. That versus a seeming racing team from the likes of Porsche. In my opinion, it makes more sense (and cents) to save their money, choose 3-5 other tracks here in the states, and do their validation work on those. There's just too much stupidity involved when it comes to the 'Ring, and we're seeing parts of that right here on the forum, from a bunch of armchair racers who have no intentions of ever buying a ZR1.
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05-03-2018, 01:49 PM
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I also call BS on going to Germany for "validation". that is a load of crap. They can do that here. The car is not in development! They went to set a time and it must have been less than desired. They were there long enough and even gave up the track time on a perfect day! Right now the internet world sees 7:12. A car magazine did 7:13 with the Z06. Maybe we'll wait for them to test the ZR1 too.
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05-03-2018, 03:10 PM
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There is only one reason GM hasn't released a lap time.
7:01.3 Dodge Viper ACR (2017) ZR1 is slower.
Flame me all you want, I still very much want a ZR1, no I could care less what the ZR1 time around a track I will never drive on is. But if you think for one second the ZR1 did a sub 7 minute time around the ring and GM just doesn't want to boast about it, you're just kidding yourself.
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7:01.3 Dodge Viper ACR (2017) ZR1 is slower.
Flame me all you want, I still very much want a ZR1, no I could care less what the ZR1 time around a track I will never drive on is. But if you think for one second the ZR1 did a sub 7 minute time around the ring and GM just doesn't want to boast about it, you're just kidding yourself.
Flame suit on
05-03-2018, 03:18 PM
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There is only one reason GM hasn't released a lap time.
7:01.3 Dodge Viper ACR (2017) ZR1 is slower.
Flame me all you want, I still very much want a ZR1, no I could care less what the ZR1 time around a track I will never drive on is. But if you think for one second the ZR1 did a sub 7 minute time around the ring and GM just doesn't want to boast about it, you're just kidding yourself.
Flame suit on
7:01.3 Dodge Viper ACR (2017) ZR1 is slower.
Flame me all you want, I still very much want a ZR1, no I could care less what the ZR1 time around a track I will never drive on is. But if you think for one second the ZR1 did a sub 7 minute time around the ring and GM just doesn't want to boast about it, you're just kidding yourself.
Flame suit on
Unless it's also possible they were trying an A8 car and perhaps the transmission fluid heat was catching up to them, hence lending their track time while their car cooled down? That could also explain why they didn't get below a 7 during their validation/testing. I'm sure they got below a 7:12 though - like somewhere between a 7 and 7:10 but have no reason to post about it since the car is capable of more.
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05-03-2018, 03:25 PM
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I don't know what your point actually is (I don't think you do, either). It's no secret that I'm in pretty tight with the engineering team at GM. And I can assure you that they go to tracks for engineering and validation. Not to set "fast laps". Hell, Jim himself has said it here in the "Ask Tadge" section. Tadge has said it multiple times publicly. But somehow, some way, the peanut gallery here at Corvette Forum knows more than the folks at GM or I do.
Believe what you like. You're wrong, of course, but feel free to keep believing it. No matter how many times I tell you that the sky is blue, you're going to insist that it's pink.
Believe what you like. You're wrong, of course, but feel free to keep believing it. No matter how many times I tell you that the sky is blue, you're going to insist that it's pink.
Its pretty obvious you do not know as much as you let on and none of your insults or grandstanding will change that. The ZR1 already did testing last year when it was in camo. This trip was for a timed event. Don't try to down play it just like you did the Z06 when a time wasn't released. This article and the words from Tadge are all you need to know.
"Corvette Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter told me that while the record run is not a priority for them, they will do it sometime after the car goes on sale next spring, hoping to break the seven minute barrier."
http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2017/...ill-back-2018/
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05-03-2018, 03:25 PM
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That has ZERO to do with the topic in any way. The standard for this type of car, the automotive press, and the market they are targeting weighs heavily on "the 'ring time".
The hype over the ZR1, no doubt heavily influenced by the GM marketing dept, has the ZR1 being a supercar, or a supercar killer and all available at a fraction of the price of others capable of running that fast..
But how fast? We don't know because GM hasn't offered up a "ring time. They were there, Porsche ran it and set the mark. GM was there and it's silence.
Either run with the big dogs or get back on the porch in this game.
BTW, I own a GS, no intention of ever owning a ZR1 but I am a huge chevy racing fan in all forms. Their are one hell of a lot of eyes watching what's going on right now, far more than exist in this forum alone.
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05-03-2018, 04:22 PM
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Maybe they decided not to publish a time to avoid hurting mid-engine marketing efforts next year 
05-03-2018, 04:27 PM
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05-03-2018, 04:42 PM
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05-03-2018, 04:51 PM
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The ZL1 had a newer eLSD. And the 1LE had the MR shocks removed for Spool Valves. It has been said to be stiff as Heck.
A stiff ZR1 could probably drop 60% of its buyers.
Tadge told us they kept the ZR1 streetable in ride.
Tadge and company knows the ring presents many additional challenges, as they have said.
They Never had any intention of running the C7 over there, Obviously! Big companies can execute relatively little things.
And amazed at whats his faces post. He really is only ignorant to me.
A stiff ZR1 could probably drop 60% of its buyers.
Tadge told us they kept the ZR1 streetable in ride.
Tadge and company knows the ring presents many additional challenges, as they have said.
They Never had any intention of running the C7 over there, Obviously! Big companies can execute relatively little things.
And amazed at whats his faces post. He really is only ignorant to me.
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05-03-2018, 05:20 PM
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The ACR-E is a turd in 5th gear which you have to use over 140 or so MPH. The Ring is not the best place for an ACR-E to show off.
The corner speeds are going to be quite comparable. Corvette's work really well. I am not saying the ZR1 will hands down smash an ACR-E but I doubt it will be slower at the Ring.
05-03-2018, 05:25 PM
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Yep. For instance, as we've seen: the MRC system for previous model year cars got a complete overhaul with lots of updates/upgrades. Part of that was likely due to their trip(s) to Germany. They're always working on ways to improve the car within reason.
To be perfectly fair, I'm not really keen on them spending the cash and hauling a car and couple of guys over to the 'Ring. BTW, it's usually just Jim and maybe 1 or 2 other engineers. That versus a seeming racing team from the likes of Porsche. In my opinion, it makes more sense (and cents) to save their money, choose 3-5 other tracks here in the states, and do their validation work on those. There's just too much stupidity involved when it comes to the 'Ring, and we're seeing parts of that right here on the forum, from a bunch of armchair racers who have no intentions of ever buying a ZR1.
Eliminate it completely and beat the snot out of the car here in the states. Call it good.
But that's my opinion. I'm not on the "decision making" team. ;-)
To be perfectly fair, I'm not really keen on them spending the cash and hauling a car and couple of guys over to the 'Ring. BTW, it's usually just Jim and maybe 1 or 2 other engineers. That versus a seeming racing team from the likes of Porsche. In my opinion, it makes more sense (and cents) to save their money, choose 3-5 other tracks here in the states, and do their validation work on those. There's just too much stupidity involved when it comes to the 'Ring, and we're seeing parts of that right here on the forum, from a bunch of armchair racers who have no intentions of ever buying a ZR1.
Eliminate it completely and beat the snot out of the car here in the states. Call it good.
But that's my opinion. I'm not on the "decision making" team. ;-)
Porsche does not need to 'test' their cars at the Ring, as VW has a huge test track in Germany. Porsche gets the importance of a Ring time as does GM. The difference it that Porsche is capable of getting the impressive times. It's all about marketing your products folks. Marketing, not "validation".
GM has failed marketing 101.
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