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Old 06-06-2018, 11:10 AM
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Interesting to note how much time his speedometer was buried at 200+. Even with a huge wing to drag his speed down. LOL


Very good time considering traffic and he had to brake hard for one car that was in his way.

Clear indication that front engine cars are slow and maxed out in their capabilities, thus only mid engine cars can save the racing world. LOL

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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
Interesting to note how much time his speedometer was buried at 200+. Even with a huge wing to drag his speed down. LOL


Very good time considering traffic and he had to brake hard for one car that was in his way.

Clear indication that front engine cars are slow and maxed out in their capabilities, thus only mid engine cars can save the racing world. LOL
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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
Interesting to note how much time his speedometer was buried at 200+. Even with a huge wing to drag his speed down. LOL


Very good time considering traffic and he had to brake hard for one car that was in his way.

Clear indication that front engine cars are slow and maxed out in their capabilities, thus only mid engine cars can save the racing world. LOL
That's some very good driving but I'm pretty sure that's 200 km/h, as I'm pretty sure this guy's Z06 isn't hitting shifting into 4th gear at 200 mph
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That's some very good driving but I'm pretty sure that's 200 km/h, as I'm pretty sure this guy's Z06 isn't hitting shifting into 4th gear at 200 mph
On my Z06 when the needle is buried all the way to the right it's 200 MPH.


His needle is buried all the way to the right, so if it was reading in km/h then the speedo is only capable of reading to 200 km/h(124 MPH). I doubt that.

Instead of shifting into 4th at 200 Km/h, maybe he was shifting into 6th at 200 MPH.

My Z06 hits 162 in 4th and if I were to run it to 200 MPH I would still be in 5th gear. Now if I happened to have 5th & 6th gears from the C6 ZR1(which I would have if I were planning to run my Z06 at the Ring), I would have to shift into 6th at 198 MPH(7,000 RPM).

200 MPH does sound high, but if he was only shifting into 4th, and never into 5th or 6th, then his top speed would have only been 162 MPH in 4th gear, which is very slow for the long straights at the ring. Stock C6 ZR1 hits around 182 MPH(in 6th gear) on the straight(7:19 at the Ring).

Why would a car that is capable of hitting 318 km/h only read to a max of 200 km/h when the needle is buried to the right, and why would he have his gauges set to read metric in the first place, if 200 km/h is the highest the speedometer will read?

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On my Z06 when the needle is buried all the way to the right it's 200 MPH.


His needle is buried all the way to the right, so if it was reading in km/h then the speedo is only capable of reading to 200 km/h(124 MPH). I doubt that.

Instead of shifting into 4th at 200 Km/h, maybe he was shifting into 6th at 200 MPH.

My Z06 hits 162 in 4th and if I were to run it to 200 MPH I would still be in 5th gear. Now if I happened to have 5th & 6th gears from the C6 ZR1(which I would have if I were planning to run my Z06 at the Ring), I would have to shift into 6th at 198 MPH(7,000 RPM).

200 MPH does sound high, but if he was only shifting into 4th, and never into 5th or 6th, then his top speed would have only been 162 MPH in 4th gear, which is very slow for the long straights at the ring. Stock C6 ZR1 hits around 182 MPH(in 6th gear) on the straight(7:19 at the Ring).

Why would a car that is capable of hitting 318 km/h only read to a max of 200 km/h when the needle is buried to the right, and why would he have his gauges set to read metric in the first place, if 200 km/h is the highest the speedometer will read?
As for why the guy would have a speedometer that only goes up to 200 km/h you'd have to ask him, but the fastest race cars in the world don't go through Hatzenbach at 200 mph. He had an average speed of just under 100 mph with a 7:10 BTG time, which as impressive as it is would be much higher if he was even touching 200mph anywhere on the circuit.
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This happens, when it is an US Model, where the speedo reaches to 200 mph, and then you switch the metric mode on...
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^^^^^^^

Exactly.
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Old 06-10-2018, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo View Post
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How much faster would it have gone without the 100+lb passenger?
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Old 06-10-2018, 07:21 PM
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How much faster would it have gone without the 100+lb passenger?
I suppose it really depends on how good his tires were. A little sprung weight....LOL - Nota clue! A big mouth though.
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I suppose it really depends on how good his tires were. A little sprung weight....LOL - Nota clue! A big mouth though.

That car ran a blazing time and I am sure the time would have been a few seconds faster if it wasn't for the passenger.

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Originally Posted by Leonie View Post
This happens, when it is an US Model, where the speedo reaches to 200 mph, and then you switch the metric mode on...
If he has it set in metric mode, then it would be in metric mode at any point the needle is showing....correct.


He has the speedo buried to the right on the straights but he downshifts and slows down in the turns...correct.

Now look at 1:48 where he is in a turn, downshifts into a lower gear, and his needle is pointed at 60 MPH(60 km/h if he is in metric mode). Now if he is actually in metric mode, then his 60 km/h reading on the speedometer would actually be 37 MPH.

I think he was going through that turn well above 37 MPH...more like 60 MPH....meaning his speedometer is on MPH setting and not km/h setting. I think that then he was running at 200 MPH a lot of the time , when his speedometer needle was buried at 200 MPH, and not 200 km/h.

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Sport Auto just did 6:58:28 in the GT2RS

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Old 06-12-2018, 12:39 AM
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The ZR1 could make it!
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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
If he has it set in metric mode, then it would be in metric mode at any point the needle is showing....correct.


He has the speedo buried to the right on the straights but he downshifts and slows down in the turns...correct.

Now look at 1:48 where he is in a turn, downshifts into a lower gear, and his needle is pointed at 60 MPH(60 km/h if he is in metric mode). Now if he is actually in metric mode, then his 60 km/h reading on the speedometer would actually be 37 MPH.

I think he was going through that turn well above 37 MPH...more like 60 MPH....meaning his speedometer is on MPH setting and not km/h setting. I think that then he was running at 200 MPH a lot of the time , when his speedometer needle was buried at 200 MPH, and not 200 km/h.
Incorrect. Average speed is 99.6 mph, a fast lap but nothing even approaching the fastest road cars on the Nordschleife that barely touch 200mph ONCE, which is precisely where the bridge-to-gantry layout doesn’t encompass. You can’t easily extrapolate a full lap time from a BTG time but it’s probably 15-25 seconds longer.
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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
If he has it set in metric mode, then it would be in metric mode at any point the needle is showing....correct.


He has the speedo buried to the right on the straights but he downshifts and slows down in the turns...correct.

Now look at 1:48 where he is in a turn, downshifts into a lower gear, and his needle is pointed at 60 MPH(60 km/h if he is in metric mode). Now if he is actually in metric mode, then his 60 km/h reading on the speedometer would actually be 37 MPH.

I think he was going through that turn well above 37 MPH...more like 60 MPH....meaning his speedometer is on MPH setting and not km/h setting. I think that then he was running at 200 MPH a lot of the time , when his speedometer needle was buried at 200 MPH, and not 200 km/h.
At 1:48 and into the downshift he is well into the 90+/- range..
At no time during the entire run that tachometer get's even close to 60Km/h.. mark which is 11 o clock position

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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
On my Z06 when the needle is buried all the way to the right it's 200 MPH.


His needle is buried all the way to the right, so if it was reading in km/h then the speedo is only capable of reading to 200 km/h(124 MPH). I doubt that.

Instead of shifting into 4th at 200 Km/h, maybe he was shifting into 6th at 200 MPH.

My Z06 hits 162 in 4th and if I were to run it to 200 MPH I would still be in 5th gear. Now if I happened to have 5th & 6th gears from the C6 ZR1(which I would have if I were planning to run my Z06 at the Ring), I would have to shift into 6th at 198 MPH(7,000 RPM).

200 MPH does sound high, but if he was only shifting into 4th, and never into 5th or 6th, then his top speed would have only been 162 MPH in 4th gear, which is very slow for the long straights at the ring. Stock C6 ZR1 hits around 182 MPH(in 6th gear) on the straight(7:19 at the Ring).

Why would a car that is capable of hitting 318 km/h only read to a max of 200 km/h when the needle is buried to the right, and why would he have his gauges set to read metric in the first place, if 200 km/h is the highest the speedometer will read?
It's official -- Joe has lost his mind. It would take 800+ hp to hit 200 mph in a road car at the Nordschleife with any sort of downforce. The straight that ends up at the Döttinger Höhe is uphill. No where else on the course could you hit that speed.

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Sport Auto just did 6:58:28 in the GT2RS

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Interesting, so about 2 seconds per minute faster than the Z06 that Sport Auto tested, would be cool to see what Sport Auto gets if they test the ZR1.

FWIW rumour is that ZR1 inched out both GT2RS and GT3RS at Willow Springs by MT.
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Interesting, so about 2 seconds per minute faster than the Z06 that Sport Auto tested, would be cool to see what Sport Auto gets if they test the ZR1.

FWIW rumour is that ZR1 inched out both GT2RS and GT3RS at Willow Springs by MT.
Wow, what an awful lap.

This kind of crap makes the ring kind of useless for a baseline-- they did this with the 2009 Viper. The 2009 Viper ran a 7:22, and some magical 5th gear got the 2010 down to 7:12..

NOW Porsche runs a 6.48 and this guy runs a 6.58? The times on the ring have way too many variables, 5 seconds in a race is a slaughter... 10?
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Wow, what an awful lap.

This kind of crap makes the ring kind of useless for a baseline-- they did this with the 2009 Viper. The 2009 Viper ran a 7:22, and some magical 5th gear got the 2010 down to 7:12..

NOW Porsche runs a 6.48 and this guy runs a 6.58? The times on the ring have way too many variables, 5 seconds in a race is a slaughter... 10?
We aint ever gonna please anyone with these Ring times. I recall in a few threads people would say they prefer sport auto because its not a factory effort and its basically an attainable time by "a decent driver". Now that 6:58 from Sport Auto aint enough. I agree thats a hell of a big gap in time. It also makes me wonder what GM did or could have done with the Z06 if Sport Auto "only" got a 7:12.
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Wow, what an awful lap.

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NOW Porsche runs a 6.48 and this guy runs a 6.58? The times on the ring have way too many variables, 5 seconds in a race is a slaughter... 10?
How many laps have you personally driven on the Ring?
And how many of these were under 7 Minutes?

I mean, really, in these performance dimensions cars have reached today, these 10 seconds might not be a 10 second "ability gap", but perhaps 3 or 4 seconds, and the other 6 or 7 seconds because, unlike the Porsche drivers, a motor journalist - simply said - just does not get paid to be killed in the attempt?
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