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Old 06-14-2018, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Leonie
How many laps have you personally driven on the Ring?
And how many of these were under 7 Minutes?

I mean, really, in these performance dimensions cars have reached today, these 10 seconds might not be a 10 second "ability gap", but perhaps 3 or 4 seconds, and the other 6 or 7 seconds because, unlike the Porsche drivers, a motor journalist - simply said - just does not get paid to be killed in the attempt?
Seriously, love these keyboard quarterbacks... The Nordschleife is an absolutely insane track, over roughly 154 turns 10 seconds is nothing; less than 7 hundredths of a second difference in each turn. Heck at the 24 hours of Nurburgring this year the difference in fastest lap for the 2nd place car and the 3rd place car (both Mercedes AMG GT3s) was over 4 seconds!
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Originally Posted by Checkmate1
I think we need to see when the Industry sessions are coming up next. That should give us an idea about the next 'possible' ring pursuit by GM.
Someone on the C8 forum recently said that they had talked to a friend from the towing company who towed the broken C8 test car, and was told that the Corvette R&D crew were taking the cars to Germany in a couple of weeks. It could be a total coincidence that there are industry test sessions towards the end of the month and the C8s are heading to Germany around the same time, but I don't find it in GM's best interest to waste empty space on cargo planes. If they are running the ZR1 at the Nurburgring again, it is very likely that they will be doing so on that trip.
Old 06-16-2018, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Quinten33
Someone on the C8 forum recently said that they had talked to a friend from the towing company who towed the broken C8 test car, and was told that the Corvette R&D crew were taking the cars to Germany in a couple of weeks. It could be a total coincidence that there are industry test sessions towards the end of the month and the C8s are heading to Germany around the same time, but I don't find it in GM's best interest to waste empty space on cargo planes. If they are running the ZR1 at the Nurburgring again, it is very likely that they will be doing so on that trip.
Yeah, But, we've more or less determined there probably isn't tires enough!



And

GM Performance honcho Alex MacDonald was Done!

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a19851146/dont-pay-attention-to-those-corvette-zr1-nurburgring-time-rumors/

But

Michelin has something to prove and sponsoring?
Could factory Trained driving keep the tires together?

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I'm sure any day now they are going to release a ring time.. the cars are starting to get out there and I am sure it's going to be a pure monster around the thing let's get some times!
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Originally Posted by NewYuriCity
Seriously, love these keyboard quarterbacks... The Nordschleife is an absolutely insane track, over roughly 154 turns 10 seconds is nothing; less than 7 hundredths of a second difference in each turn. Heck at the 24 hours of Nurburgring this year the difference in fastest lap for the 2nd place car and the 3rd place car (both Mercedes AMG GT3s) was over 4 seconds!
agree. People just post **** they know nothing about. Sport Auto only gets a few laps to set a time, factory drivers get days of practice with the car on tracks, in simulators and at the ring. How can you even begin to perfect braking points and apex speed on so many turns at that track with only a few laps? Answer? You don't. You do the best you can based on track knowledge and having driven other fast cars there. The Sport Auto laps are pretty damn impressive considering the resources they have.
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Considering the Z06 has done 7:13.90, and the ZR1 can top the Z06 by several seconds on much shorter tracks, there's almost no chance that a ZR1 can't do sub-7 minutes on the Nordschliefe.

Anyone who really thinks the ZR1 is only capable of 7:12 is not paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Nelno
Considering the Z06 has done 7:13.90, and the ZR1 can top the Z06 by several seconds on much shorter tracks, there's almost no chance that a ZR1 can't do sub-7 minutes on the Nordschliefe.

Anyone who really thinks the ZR1 is only capable of 7:12 is not paying attention.
HUGE difference in lap time set by Sport Auto magazine drivers and Factory drivers.
Porsche used Kevin Estre, (watch LeMans leading RSR) and a new set every 2 laps and its their "home track"
No other manufactory has so many million logged miles from street and track cars on this track.

When Sport Auto do 7.13 in Z06, i bet Gavin, Jim or a professional driver could do 7.07... and a ring master close to 7.0...

So i agree ZR1 should do sub 7 , in fact i KNOW it did sub seven in march 2017..... a good Danish friend told me so and i trust him 100%

What Corvette should do is release a track rat model aka GT3 RS.... 20-40k more but buildt from factory 200 pounds lighter and a slight bump in power. Yes you loose that great great Grand Tourer at cost of even faster track toy. Thats what Porsche does and people do buy them at an even more premium than regular GT3
Diet program
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race proved carbon shell seats, hell just buy the GT3 RS seats :-)
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Originally Posted by Nelno
Considering the Z06 has done 7:13.90, and the ZR1 can top the Z06 by several seconds on much shorter tracks, there's almost no chance that a ZR1 can't do sub-7 minutes on the Nordschliefe.

Anyone who really thinks the ZR1 is only capable of 7:12 is not paying attention.
Excellent choice of color Nelno
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Originally Posted by Z06Norway

So i agree ZR1 should do sub 7 , in fact i KNOW it did sub seven in march 2017..... a good Danish friend told me so and i trust him 100%
If that occurred we would have heard about it, I wouldn't believe everything people tell you. Besides that would have been a pre-production version. What we do know is that when the ZR1 was trying to set a time in April the best they could muster was 7:12. We still dont know if there was some kind of issue with the car.

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Originally Posted by Sub Driver
If that occurred we would have heard about it, I wouldn't believe everything people tell you. Besides that would have been a pre-production version. What we do know is that when the ZR1 was trying to set a time in April the best they could muster was 7:12. We still dont know if there was some kind of issue with the car.
If we go by your saying that we shouldn't believe everything they tell us, we probably don't know if it ran 7:12 either seeing that all magazines, websites are going off a dude with a stopwatch who had no idea if the Z took a pee break, stopped for a squirrel or wait for refueling.
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Glad to see folks that are starting to "get it"...
Old 06-17-2018, 10:59 AM
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GM purposely had a slower driver in ZO6!?
Front engine heavier weight (ZR1 radiator heat?) and understeer trashes RWD tires. IE ACR

The ZR1 is limited by its tires, evidence is!

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At this point, why do we even care? Is anyone waiting to buy a zr1 because they haven’t posted a ring time yet? I don’t believe gm would have sold more z06’s if they had produced a ring time. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see times for both cars. I just don’t believe they will. The Camaro team got a ring time, not sure it helped them sell cars.
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Originally Posted by Basil2000
At this point, why do we even care? Is anyone waiting to buy a zr1 because they haven’t posted a ring time yet? I don’t believe gm would have sold more z06’s if they had produced a ring time. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see times for both cars. I just don’t believe they will. The Camaro team got a ring time, not sure it helped them sell cars.
I guarantee it wouldn't hurt!
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No time is coming and GM loves all the speculation just like those ZO6 times that were said to be coming. Team GM isn't at the same level of dedication as the we go for everything out of it lap companies. No engineers doing the lap driving, even though Mero is a damn fine driver. It's going to take a dedicated pro that knows ever inch of that venue. Also, they have to let the driver go out and absolutely push the limit, be willing to crash a car or two to get it, that's what the other max effort brands are doing.

Biggest mistake GM makes is putting the expectation out that they will get a max effort lap, competitive too. Oh wait, not a mistake it's all by design, just another topic to pull conversation to the next model.

no official time from GM coming, private effort, thats possiblity but wont be the cars best just like the ZO6 time.

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Originally Posted by keagan
If we go by your saying that we shouldn't believe everything they tell us, we probably don't know if it ran 7:12 either seeing that all magazines, websites are going off a dude with a stopwatch who had no idea if the Z took a pee break, stopped for a squirrel or wait for refueling.
Sure, except the same people provided information on the GT3 and it was the correct time when compared to what Porsche released.
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Sure, except the same people provided information on the GT3 and it was the correct time when compared to what Porsche released.
Agreed! However, he/she don’t know if the Z was in full attack or just playing footsie since Porsche was there. I’m just being the devil’s advocate here. I find it strange that all the other vettes and Camaro times were done with the track rented out to themselves and this claimed 7:12 was done with the Porsche and other cars on the track? GM also giving up track time? WTH was that about? You only give up precious time on a clear day if you can’t achieve anything close to that time or have something better in the bag. It would be nice if GM just came out and said we ain’t interested in Ring times anymore, we are focused on tracks at home. Easy peasy! How do u compare lap times when the GT2RS was running non production tires? Hats off to the GT3 RS that little thing moved on the hell out.

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Originally Posted by keagan
Agreed! However, he/she don’t know if the Z was in full attack or just playing footsie since Porsche was there. I’m just being the devil’s advocate here. I find it strange that all the other vettes and Camaro times were done with the track rented out to themselves and this claimed 7:12 was done with the Porsche and other cars on the track? GM also giving up track time? WTH was that about? You only give up precious time on a clear day if you can’t achieve anything close to that time or have something better in the bag. It would be nice if GM just came out and said we ain’t interested in Ring times anymore, we are focused on tracks at home. Easy peasy! How do u compare lap times when the GT2RS was running non production tires? Hats off to the GT3 RS that little thing moved on the hell out.


Read the article, GM had the track to themselves and were not sharing it with other cars for the 7:12. Maybe there was a problem, who knows?


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From hostboy on FastestLaps.com:

[2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1] Auto Bild Sportscars test results [published on "Weißen Mann In V6 Twin Turbo Ford GT Gegen Schwarze Männer In V8-Affen-Autos" page for 7/2018 issue] (8-spd. auto.) (translated to mph results with help from EVO Magazine team):
0-50 km/h = 2.0 s
0-100 km/h = 4.2 s (80-120 km/h = 1.8 s)
0-130 km/h = 5.9 s
0-160 km/h = 7.3 s
0-200 km/h = 9.8 s (402.34m: 11.61/218.19)
0-250 km/h = 14.7 s (1000m: 20.35/278.96)
0-300 km/h = 26.1 s

300-0 km/h = 6.3 s
200-0 km/h = 3.8 s
100-0 km/h = 2.0 s

Hockenheim Short: 1:05.50
Nürburgring Nordschleife, 20.6km: 7:03.82

0-30 mph = 2.0 s
0-40 mph = 2.6 s
0-50 mph = 3.3 s
0-60 mph = 4.1 s
0-70 mph = 4.8 s
0-80 mph = 5.4 s
0-90 mph = 6.7 s
0-100 mph = 7.3 s
0-110 mph = 8.7 s
0-120 mph = 9.3 s
0-130 mph = 10.3 s
0-140 mph = 12.2 s
0-150 mph = 13.7 s
0-160 mph = 15.5 s
0-170 mph = 19.7 s
0-180 mph = 23.3 s
0-190 mph = 45.6 s
0-200 mph = 78.2 s
http://fastestlaps.com/models/chevro...rvette-zr1-n-a
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The next "ring time that comes from a Corvette looks like it's going to come from Lou at LG Motorsports..


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