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Old 05-03-2018, 10:29 AM   #1  
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They car arrived there about a month ago. Why haven't we gotten a ring time yet? Porsche was there for about 40 minutes, lapped the track 4 times and were done. Got there GT3 RS ring time, and released a video.

GM was there for several weeks. Are they still there? If not, what is taking so long? Even if they didn't get sub 7, its silly not to release their best time... After all, right now everyone seems to think they got a 7:12. Surely they'd like to dispel that rumour...

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Russian collusion I suspect .
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Evidently GM is only there for testing and validation....and to pay for Porsche's track time while the GM engineers watch and take notes.

Rumor has it that Porsche also took the lunch money of the GM engineers in the process.
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They car arrived there about a month ago. Why haven't we gotten a ring time yet? Porsche was there for about 40 minutes, lapped the track 4 times and were done. Got there GT3 RS ring time, and released a video.

GM was there for several weeks. Are they still there? If not, what is taking so long? Even if they didn't get sub 7, its silly not to release their best time... After all, right now everyone seems to think they got a 7:12. Surely they'd like to dispel that rumour...
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Did anyone ask this question about ring time at the Bash or did they avoid answering it ?
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Evidently GM is only there for testing and validation....and to pay for Porsche's track time while the GM engineers watch and take notes.

Rumor has it that Porsche also took the lunch money of the GM engineers in the process.
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Did GM say a time was coming? There might not be anything coming out like the Z06.
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It is not as easy as just going out, setting a lap, and packing it up for the day... Go to Youtube and search Viper Nurburgring documentary, the video is called "The Story of Viper's Return to the Green Hell." That video shows just how difficult it is to get a single flying lap in at that place.
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It is not as easy as just going out, setting a lap, and packing it up for the day...
Yes, of course, but evidently that's EXACTLY what Porsche did. On GM's dime no less.

According to the R&T article, Porsche showed up, did a sub 7-minute lap, then did two more. While the GM crew stood there and looked dumbfounded.

"Test driver Lars Kern went out and set a 6:59 in his first run, at which point Porsche GT cars boss Andreas Preuninger told his team they could pack up and go home. Kern and factory driver Kevin Estre thought there was more time in the car, though, so they went back out for three more laps. The next lap was another 6:59, then a 6:57, and finally, Estre set a 6:56.4. At that point, the Porsche team left, and as Motormouth reports it, the Corvette crew was left stunned."


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...corvette-time/

I really, really hope GM announces a respectable time for the ZR-1. We all know they can do it.

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Yes, of course, but evidently that's EXACTLY what Porsche did. On GM's dime no less.

According to the R&T article, Porsche showed up, did a sub 7-minute lap, then did two more. While the GM crew stood there and looked dumbfounded.

"Test driver Lars Kern went out and set a 6:59 in his first run, at which point Porsche GT cars boss Andreas Preuninger told his team they could pack up and go home. Kern and factory driver Kevin Estre thought there was more time in the car, though, so they went back out for three more laps. The next lap was another 6:59, then a 6:57, and finally, Estre set a 6:56.4. At that point, the Porsche team left, and as Motormouth reports it, the Corvette crew was left stunned."


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...corvette-time/

I really, really hope GM announces a respectable time for the ZR-1. We all know they can do it.
Porsche and their drivers have the opportunity to live at that track. That's why. Lars Kern is one of the best in the game.
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Porsche and their drivers have the opportunity to live at that track. That's why. Lars Kern is one of the best in the game.
No doubt about that. But why would GM hand over the track when conditions are ideal for setting a record? To me, it makes no sense if they're there to compete.

Evidently they really are there just to test and validate and learn from Porsche.

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No doubt about that. But why would GM hand over the track when conditions are ideal for setting a record? To me, it makes no sense if they're there to compete.

Evidently they really are there just to test and validate and learn from Porsche.
They should have worked a deal with Porsche..."Hey, you can drive on our time and dime, but you have to set a lap or two with our car or with us riding shotgun."
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To me, it makes no sense if they're there to compete.
Wait for it..... waaaaait for it.... someone might actually be understanding this...

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Evidently they really are there just to test and validate and learn from Porsche.
The "learning from Porsche" thing isn't true, but the underlined part of your sentence is spot on.

It's not a competition for them. Not in the least. No matter how many times I point that out to people, it just continues to get ignored. Would GM like to turn a hot time and use it in promo material? Sure. Would Jim like to have yet another hot N'Ring time under his professional belt? Absolutely! But it's NOT the reason they're there. They just do it if they have time and a clean track.

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Wait for it..... waaaaait for it.... someone might actually be understanding this...



The "learning from Porsche" thing isn't true, but the underlined part of your sentence is spot on.

It's not a competition for them. Not in the least. No matter how many times I point that out to people, it just continues to get ignored. Would GM like to turn a hot time and use it in promo material? Sure. Would Jim like to have yet another hot N'Ring time under his professional belt? Absolutely! But it's NOT the reason they're there. They just do it if they have time and a clean track.

Full stop.
BS. They haven't listed a time because they cannot get one.

Didn't seem to take them too long to announce their lap time at VIR when it was a respectable one...
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Didn't seem to take them too long to announce their lap time at VIR when it was a respectable one...
Annnnd... they weren't there to set a blistering time. It happened during validation.

See the difference?
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Annnnd... they weren't there to set a blistering time. It happened during validation.

See the difference?
Yeah...everyone sets "accidental" lap times during "validation"...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...vir-viper-acr/
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Yeah...everyone sets "accidental" lap times during "validation"...
I don't know what your point actually is (I don't think you do, either). It's no secret that I'm in pretty tight with the engineering team at GM. And I can assure you that they go to tracks for engineering and validation. Not to set "fast laps". Hell, Jim himself has said it here in the "Ask Tadge" section. Tadge has said it multiple times publicly. But somehow, some way, the peanut gallery here at Corvette Forum knows more than the folks at GM or I do.

Believe what you like. You're wrong, of course, but feel free to keep believing it. No matter how many times I tell you that the sky is blue, you're going to insist that it's pink.

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Meanwhile in Stuttgart:


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I don't know what your point actually is (I don't think you do, either). It's no secret that I'm in pretty tight with the engineering team at GM. And I can assure you that they go to tracks for engineering and validation. Not to set "fast laps". Hell, Jim himself has said it here in the "Ask Tadge" section. Tadge has said it multiple times publicly. But somehow, some way, the peanut gallery here at Corvette Forum knows more than the folks at GM or I do.

Believe what you like. You're wrong, of course, but feel free to keep believing it. No matter how many times I tell you that the sky is blue, you're going to insist that it's pink.
Honestly I don't care who you are or who you know...GM boasted up and down how they wanted to be "Sub 7 seconds" with the ZR1.

The fricking car is in production...not in development anymore. If you are trying to say that when they were last on the Ring, they weren't trying to lap as quick as they could?

If they would have run a Sub-7 in "validation", they wouldn't have put out a cute video of the run?

They have stories all over the net about 7:12 times...(from the same people that reported the Porsche time that was quickly validated), and they are just fine with that?

Riiiggghhhhtttttttt......
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