ZR1 oil temp at 271 degrees in two laps??
05-29-2018, 12:47 PM
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Warm fuzzies is about it! Very Few and far between! Should be flattering to the Z06 owners that everyone and there brother rushes to compare the Z06 to cars up to 5-10 times and more in price. Then with the huge aftermarket it how fast do you want to go???
The Z06 can be modified very easy to faster than a 720S ! For far less money.
Unless you need to toss away money (or you hit the lottery) after 720S for others to see you in. Which not sure if there is anywhere within 200 miles for service. Plus Midwest born here driving Chevelle's Roadrunners, Camaro's and now on the 9th Corvette. Corvette for the win.
The Z06 can be modified very easy to faster than a 720S ! For far less money.
Unless you need to toss away money (or you hit the lottery) after 720S for others to see you in. Which not sure if there is anywhere within 200 miles for service. Plus Midwest born here driving Chevelle's Roadrunners, Camaro's and now on the 9th Corvette. Corvette for the win.
05-29-2018, 12:50 PM
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I'd recommend stopping before you stick your foot further into your mouth. While I'm all for focusing on Corvettes over other brands here, be careful of who you throw down against. Sanjay's car collection will make your homes look like shanties.
Yours and everyone else's here.
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05-29-2018, 02:03 PM
#43
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I'd recommend stopping before you stick your foot further into your mouth. While I'm all for focusing on Corvettes over other brands here, be careful of who you throw down against. Sanjay's car collection will make your homes look like shanties.
Yours and everyone else's here.
Yours and everyone else's here.
Forgive me if this is long winded and off topic, but since the OP is referring to my car, which DID NOT RUN HOT AT ALL, allow the digression from beating a dead horse.
I often find myself having to defend the domestics on other forums to the Eurosnobs. I can't stand when they (or the Ford guys for that matter) poo poo pushrods and transverse leaf springs either.
3Z06ZR1,
I love Corvettes. You grew up with muscle cars in the midwest....I get it. We all have our biases. I started out in Fox body Mustangs until I could afford a used '90 ZR-1, the same year I joined this Forum.
But, you gotta understand that there is a whole world of exotic machinery out there that might be overpriced, but some of them are astounding to drive....and pricing is relative, when a $300k car can hang with $1.5M+ hypercars.
Rather than dismissing the 720S as overpriced and implying that it can't do much besides stroke its driver's ego, you need to drive one, preferably with an open mind.
Then, maybe you will understand that the 720S is in a different class of cars, and while a ZR1 can be modified to accelerate as hard or harder than the latest toy from England, we are talking about stock, factory warrantied cars.
The 720s's overall lightweight, nimble package just cannot be duplicated at any cost by a C7. Yes, the Corvette always wins the bang for the buck argument, and they are thrilling cars to drive. Having the 720S and ZR1 on track back to back does in fact point out some advantages of the Vette, even at 1/3 the price, such as the heads up display, cooled seats, and IMO a far better sounding engine. It will most likely be more reliable in the long run and have lower operating costs also.
But, it weighs 3700 lbs and has slightly less than 50% of that weight over the rear wheels, and the chassis is not as rigid as the 3190 lb CF monocoque McLaren. You can't fix that without seriously compromising streetability.
It's hard to quantify intangibles, like the steering feel of the mid engined 720s as it bends into a corner, the NSX like panoramic view of the road ahead, the way it screams to 8000 rpm with turbos whooshing, the way the active suspension lays down the power over even rough pavement, the feel of the matte CF wheel inserts, and even the way the airflow is directed through the scissor doors....don't knock it as a poseur car....it ain't one.
I couldn't care less who sees me in it; it's a factory 9 sec/145 mph car that's equally at home on track, cruising the interstate, or taking the wife to a fancy restaurant in surprising comfort. It even shames most of its Italian and German competition, and I'm not a one marque fanboy by any means. I've been lucky enough to have owned and/or tracked almost all of them. This one's a game changer.
Now, the C8 is shaping up to be essentially a more cost effective version of the 720S. Here's hoping it hits that impressive benchmark at half the price which would be an ASTOUNDING achievement, BTW....and I'll be first in line to congratulate Team Corvette on a job well done when I do R8C in 2020.
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05-29-2018, 02:42 PM
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Thanks dude, but I know there are others like me here who are fortunate to have a bunch of toys...even some (gasp) non Vettes.
Forgive me if this is long winded and off topic, but since the OP is referring to my car, which DID NOT RUN HOT AT ALL, allow the digression from beating a dead horse.
I often find myself having to defend the domestics on other forums to the Eurosnobs. I can't stand when they (or the Ford guys for that matter) poo poo pushrods and transverse leaf springs either.
3Z06ZR1,
I love Corvettes. You grew up with muscle cars in the midwest....I get it. We all have our biases. I started out in Fox body Mustangs until I could afford a used '90 ZR-1, the same year I joined this Forum.
But, you gotta understand that there is a whole world of exotic machinery out there that might be overpriced, but some of them are astounding to drive....and pricing is relative, when a $300k car can hang with $1.5M+ hypercars.
Rather than dismissing the 720S as overpriced and implying that it can't do much besides stroke its driver's ego, you need to drive one, preferably with an open mind.
Then, maybe you will understand that the 720S is in a different class of cars, and while a ZR1 can be modified to accelerate as hard or harder than the latest toy from England, we are talking about stock, factory warrantied cars.
The 720s's overall lightweight, nimble package just cannot be duplicated at any cost by a C7. Yes, the Corvette always wins the bang for the buck argument, and they are thrilling cars to drive. Having the 720S and ZR1 on track back to back does in fact point out some advantages of the Vette, even at 1/3 the price, such as the heads up display, cooled seats, and IMO a far better sounding engine. It will most likely be more reliable in the long run and have lower operating costs also.
But, it weighs 3700 lbs and has slightly less than 50% of that weight over the rear wheels, and the chassis is not as rigid as the 3190 lb CF monocoque McLaren. You can't fix that without seriously compromising streetability.
It's hard to quantify intangibles, like the steering feel of the mid engined 720s as it bends into a corner, the NSX like panoramic view of the road ahead, the way it screams to 8000 rpm with turbos whooshing, the way the active suspension lays down the power over even rough pavement, the feel of the matte CF wheel inserts, and even the way the airflow is directed through the scissor doors....don't knock it as a poseur car....it ain't one.
I couldn't care less who sees me in it; it's a factory 9 sec/145 mph car that's equally at home on track, cruising the interstate, or taking the wife to a fancy restaurant in surprising comfort. It even shames most of its Italian and German competition, and I'm not a one marque fanboy by any means. I've been lucky enough to have owned and/or tracked almost all of them. This one's a game changer.
Now, the C8 is shaping up to be essentially a more cost effective version of the 720S. Here's hoping it hits that impressive benchmark at half the price which would be an ASTOUNDING achievement, BTW....and I'll be first in line to congratulate Team Corvette on a job well done when I do R8C in 2020.
Forgive me if this is long winded and off topic, but since the OP is referring to my car, which DID NOT RUN HOT AT ALL, allow the digression from beating a dead horse.
I often find myself having to defend the domestics on other forums to the Eurosnobs. I can't stand when they (or the Ford guys for that matter) poo poo pushrods and transverse leaf springs either.
3Z06ZR1,
I love Corvettes. You grew up with muscle cars in the midwest....I get it. We all have our biases. I started out in Fox body Mustangs until I could afford a used '90 ZR-1, the same year I joined this Forum.
But, you gotta understand that there is a whole world of exotic machinery out there that might be overpriced, but some of them are astounding to drive....and pricing is relative, when a $300k car can hang with $1.5M+ hypercars.
Rather than dismissing the 720S as overpriced and implying that it can't do much besides stroke its driver's ego, you need to drive one, preferably with an open mind.
Then, maybe you will understand that the 720S is in a different class of cars, and while a ZR1 can be modified to accelerate as hard or harder than the latest toy from England, we are talking about stock, factory warrantied cars.
The 720s's overall lightweight, nimble package just cannot be duplicated at any cost by a C7. Yes, the Corvette always wins the bang for the buck argument, and they are thrilling cars to drive. Having the 720S and ZR1 on track back to back does in fact point out some advantages of the Vette, even at 1/3 the price, such as the heads up display, cooled seats, and IMO a far better sounding engine. It will most likely be more reliable in the long run and have lower operating costs also.
But, it weighs 3700 lbs and has slightly less than 50% of that weight over the rear wheels, and the chassis is not as rigid as the 3190 lb CF monocoque McLaren. You can't fix that without seriously compromising streetability.
It's hard to quantify intangibles, like the steering feel of the mid engined 720s as it bends into a corner, the NSX like panoramic view of the road ahead, the way it screams to 8000 rpm with turbos whooshing, the way the active suspension lays down the power over even rough pavement, the feel of the matte CF wheel inserts, and even the way the airflow is directed through the scissor doors....don't knock it as a poseur car....it ain't one.
I couldn't care less who sees me in it; it's a factory 9 sec/145 mph car that's equally at home on track, cruising the interstate, or taking the wife to a fancy restaurant in surprising comfort. It even shames most of its Italian and German competition, and I'm not a one marque fanboy by any means. I've been lucky enough to have owned and/or tracked almost all of them. This one's a game changer.
Now, the C8 is shaping up to be essentially a more cost effective version of the 720S. Here's hoping it hits that impressive benchmark at half the price which would be an ASTOUNDING achievement, BTW....and I'll be first in line to congratulate Team Corvette on a job well done when I do R8C in 2020.
Thank you for an excellently written view on the 720S. Which, unfortunately, will go completely over the head of the person it was intended for.
05-29-2018, 02:47 PM
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I feel bad you just wasted that much time and effort to respond to someone who only regurgitates what others state, usually incorrectly. Now, when we have the next Corvette vs supercar debate, your comments will undoubtedly be used as evidence to support whatever false claim he is making. Watch his posts carefully, he only seems to comment based on a statement others have made, rarely original ideas (or when they are original, they are so wrong it is comical.)
I have recently debated giving up 2 or 3 of my hobby cars, Z06 included, to get into something like a 720S. As you mentioned, the 720S is truly a do-it-all kind of car, and it does it all very well.
Regarding the actual topic posted, I am surprised to see 270 anything oil. While that is far from overheating, it is certainly warmer than I would have predicted with the new cooling.
I have recently debated giving up 2 or 3 of my hobby cars, Z06 included, to get into something like a 720S. As you mentioned, the 720S is truly a do-it-all kind of car, and it does it all very well.
Regarding the actual topic posted, I am surprised to see 270 anything oil. While that is far from overheating, it is certainly warmer than I would have predicted with the new cooling.
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05-29-2018, 02:55 PM
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I'd recommend stopping before you stick your foot further into your mouth. While I'm all for focusing on Corvettes over other brands here, be careful of who you throw down against. Sanjay's car collection will make your homes look like shanties.
Yours and everyone else's here.
Yours and everyone else's here.
He can go compare with Jay Leno!
05-29-2018, 02:55 PM
#48
Melting Slicks
If you're interested, my 720S is actually for sale, making room for a more track focused British monster. You can email me at doctorv8 at gmail if interested.
05-29-2018, 02:58 PM
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05-29-2018, 03:06 PM
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ZR1 was hampered by hot temps and a tight engine, but I imagine it will do 165ish, maybe a bit more with a CAI. 720 makes the same or more RWHP and weighs 400 lbs less. Keep in mind it traps 145+ in the quarter, which is at least 10 mph more than early ZR1 tests.
Adam can chime in on lap times by a pro, but as he mentioned, this ZR1 was hampered by the non ZTK suspension and base seats. I would imagine, all being equal, that the 720 is still an easy 2-3 sec faster at CoTA. I'll let you know when the same day A-B comparison happens.
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05-29-2018, 03:09 PM
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Melting Slicks
I know, I know....this is the Corvette forum, not the Grammar forum........
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05-29-2018, 03:20 PM
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You do........but ya know, I'm rethinking my decision after reading 3Z06's posts. It's even more overpriced and way uglier than even the 720s. Replacement rotors alone cost as much as a well equipped Stingray. Maybe I'll get a fleet of C5Z's instead.
05-29-2018, 03:30 PM
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I could use a car to get me into spec corvette.
05-29-2018, 03:46 PM
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Thanks dude, but I know there are others like me here who are fortunate to have a bunch of toys...even some (gasp) non Vettes.
Forgive me if this is long winded and off topic, but since the OP is referring to my car, which DID NOT RUN HOT AT ALL, allow the digression from beating a dead horse.
I often find myself having to defend the domestics on other forums to the Eurosnobs. I can't stand when they (or the Ford guys for that matter) poo poo pushrods and transverse leaf springs either.
3Z06ZR1,
I love Corvettes. You grew up with muscle cars in the midwest....I get it. We all have our biases. I started out in Fox body Mustangs until I could afford a used '90 ZR-1, the same year I joined this Forum.
But, you gotta understand that there is a whole world of exotic machinery out there that might be overpriced, but some of them are astounding to drive....and pricing is relative, when a $300k car can hang with $1.5M+ hypercars.
Rather than dismissing the 720S as overpriced and implying that it can't do much besides stroke its driver's ego, you need to drive one, preferably with an open mind.
Then, maybe you will understand that the 720S is in a different class of cars, and while a ZR1 can be modified to accelerate as hard or harder than the latest toy from England, we are talking about stock, factory warrantied cars.
The 720s's overall lightweight, nimble package just cannot be duplicated at any cost by a C7. Yes, the Corvette always wins the bang for the buck argument, and they are thrilling cars to drive. Having the 720S and ZR1 on track back to back does in fact point out some advantages of the Vette, even at 1/3 the price, such as the heads up display, cooled seats, and IMO a far better sounding engine. It will most likely be more reliable in the long run and have lower operating costs also.
But, it weighs 3700 lbs and has slightly less than 50% of that weight over the rear wheels, and the chassis is not as rigid as the 3190 lb CF monocoque McLaren. You can't fix that without seriously compromising streetability.
It's hard to quantify intangibles, like the steering feel of the mid engined 720s as it bends into a corner, the NSX like panoramic view of the road ahead, the way it screams to 8000 rpm with turbos whooshing, the way the active suspension lays down the power over even rough pavement, the feel of the matte CF wheel inserts, and even the way the airflow is directed through the scissor doors....don't knock it as a poseur car....it ain't one.
I couldn't care less who sees me in it; it's a factory 9 sec/145 mph car that's equally at home on track, cruising the interstate, or taking the wife to a fancy restaurant in surprising comfort. It even shames most of its Italian and German competition, and I'm not a one marque fanboy by any means. I've been lucky enough to have owned and/or tracked almost all of them. This one's a game changer.
Now, the C8 is shaping up to be essentially a more cost effective version of the 720S. Here's hoping it hits that impressive benchmark at half the price which would be an ASTOUNDING achievement, BTW....and I'll be first in line to congratulate Team Corvette on a job well done when I do R8C in 2020.
Forgive me if this is long winded and off topic, but since the OP is referring to my car, which DID NOT RUN HOT AT ALL, allow the digression from beating a dead horse.
I often find myself having to defend the domestics on other forums to the Eurosnobs. I can't stand when they (or the Ford guys for that matter) poo poo pushrods and transverse leaf springs either.
3Z06ZR1,
I love Corvettes. You grew up with muscle cars in the midwest....I get it. We all have our biases. I started out in Fox body Mustangs until I could afford a used '90 ZR-1, the same year I joined this Forum.
But, you gotta understand that there is a whole world of exotic machinery out there that might be overpriced, but some of them are astounding to drive....and pricing is relative, when a $300k car can hang with $1.5M+ hypercars.
Rather than dismissing the 720S as overpriced and implying that it can't do much besides stroke its driver's ego, you need to drive one, preferably with an open mind.
Then, maybe you will understand that the 720S is in a different class of cars, and while a ZR1 can be modified to accelerate as hard or harder than the latest toy from England, we are talking about stock, factory warrantied cars.
The 720s's overall lightweight, nimble package just cannot be duplicated at any cost by a C7. Yes, the Corvette always wins the bang for the buck argument, and they are thrilling cars to drive. Having the 720S and ZR1 on track back to back does in fact point out some advantages of the Vette, even at 1/3 the price, such as the heads up display, cooled seats, and IMO a far better sounding engine. It will most likely be more reliable in the long run and have lower operating costs also.
But, it weighs 3700 lbs and has slightly less than 50% of that weight over the rear wheels, and the chassis is not as rigid as the 3190 lb CF monocoque McLaren. You can't fix that without seriously compromising streetability.
It's hard to quantify intangibles, like the steering feel of the mid engined 720s as it bends into a corner, the NSX like panoramic view of the road ahead, the way it screams to 8000 rpm with turbos whooshing, the way the active suspension lays down the power over even rough pavement, the feel of the matte CF wheel inserts, and even the way the airflow is directed through the scissor doors....don't knock it as a poseur car....it ain't one.
I couldn't care less who sees me in it; it's a factory 9 sec/145 mph car that's equally at home on track, cruising the interstate, or taking the wife to a fancy restaurant in surprising comfort. It even shames most of its Italian and German competition, and I'm not a one marque fanboy by any means. I've been lucky enough to have owned and/or tracked almost all of them. This one's a game changer.
Now, the C8 is shaping up to be essentially a more cost effective version of the 720S. Here's hoping it hits that impressive benchmark at half the price which would be an ASTOUNDING achievement, BTW....and I'll be first in line to congratulate Team Corvette on a job well done when I do R8C in 2020.
All stuff I already know! You can spend on more cars all you want.
I have a brother who farms and collects tractors l lost count at 20.
If I was interested about others and their car collection's I would start with Jay Leno . Maybe pick up a good magazine or two. I'm happy in my choices in cars and my own skin.
I have been buying land not McLarens, Could have bought one this summer. $ 390,000.00 was paid to me for one of my houses I sold I owned free and clear. Gain was 200k so no capital gains. EASY
COULD HAVE A 720s maybe two if I really wanted. One piece of my
land listed was zoned R1 so I did just did do a partial sale. 9 acre's
for 250k but the buyer pays for the survey that is 30k and all costs of the sale . It leaves me with 4 sections all 2 listing at 400k plus 1 more at 150k each all free and clear. The 85 acre one I just bought is over 500k when I list it!
I bought a second Z06 at a huge discount. I found a huge value in buying 85 acre's of tree's instead. 340 million people in the US
means your wasting your time writing a novel to just me about your cars. Maybe try the exotic forum.
My car plans are calculated out to what I want not based on your write-up. The ME Corvette will be a few years yet till the HP model comes out. I'll wait! Try to be happy with 2 800hp Z06's. Which with the A8 also runs 9's in the 140's. Plus they weigh less than 3500 each.
05-29-2018, 03:52 PM
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There is no telling how hard any driver is pushing on a track day. Their speed is usually based on skill and comfort far more than available vehicle performance.
That video is of a Callaway Z06, prepped specifically for the track apparently.
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05-29-2018, 04:00 PM
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One piece of my
land listed was zoned R1 so I did just did do a partial sale. 9 acre's
for 250k but the buyer pays for the survey that is 30k and all costs of the sale . It leaves me with 4 sections all 2 listing at 400k plus 1 more at 150k each all free and clear. The 85 acre one I just bought is over 500k when I list it!
land listed was zoned R1 so I did just did do a partial sale. 9 acre's
for 250k but the buyer pays for the survey that is 30k and all costs of the sale . It leaves me with 4 sections all 2 listing at 400k plus 1 more at 150k each all free and clear. The 85 acre one I just bought is over 500k when I list it!
Try to be happy with 2 800hp Z06's. Which with the A8 also runs 9's in the 140's. Plus they weigh less than 3500 each.
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05-29-2018, 04:25 PM
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Hey dingleberry, only your primary home is eligible for the $250k ( because I assume you can only be single) profit exclusion. More reason why we collectively don't believe much of anything you post. Can I see both Z06s in a single photo by the way?
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Good on ya, I will honestly say I'm surprised. Jealous though, not even remotely.