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Old 07-10-2018, 07:23 PM
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Default Corvette ZR1 vs Camaro ZL1 1LE Track battle

Track battle between ZR1 and ZL1 1LE, from Sport Auto, Germany...


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Default Outstanding! ;)

The A8 ZR1's going to the Nurburgring. I wasn't sure there was interest being its not selling in Europe.
There is! He drove well.

Same as the ZO6! (7:12!? Speed!)
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short

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Beautifully shot video! Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks for posting! Great Video!
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
The A8 ZR1's going to the Nurburgring. I wasn't sure there was interest being its not selling in Europe.
There is! He drove well.

Same as the ZO6! (7:12!? Speed!)
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
i’d say so....Only half second behind a 918 Spyder and faster than a street homologated Radical!
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Can't believe the ZR1 didn't go any faster than the Z06.
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Default The ZO6 has the right tires!

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Can't believe the ZR1 didn't go any faster than the Z06.
More straights, and speed, will help the ZR1.
It needs a cooler ring though. The ZR1 can really put the hurt on those tires sliding around like it does!

Looks like you have to be a GM Engineer driver to wring out a time.
fastestlaps posted this time having ignored the two VIR times. The Unofficial Ford GT time didn't make it either.

Expect continued mediocre results!

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I'd love to see a a ZR1 track pack above ZTK that really focuses on lightening the car like they did with the 5th gen Z/28 and the spool valve shocks from this 1LE.
I understand that they want to make everyone happy with the ZR but the us definitely also a market for a stripped down ACR type vehicle too. It'd be pretty hard for the C8 to beat a ZR1 equipped like that too so that might play into it not being available.
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Originally Posted by the professor
I'd love to see a a ZR1 track pack above ZTK that really focuses on lightening the car like they did with the 5th gen Z/28 and the spool valve shocks from this 1LE.
I understand that they want to make everyone happy with the ZR but the us definitely also a market for a stripped down ACR type vehicle too. It'd be pretty hard for the C8 to beat a ZR1 equipped like that too so that might play into it not being available.
the question is, is the market as big as some of you think? The Z28 was like 70k and sold terribly. Say they cut all the bells and whistles and cut 200lbs and it’ll be very harsh ride, how many are going to pony up like 150k plus for it? Last time I checked ACR also Sold poorly. To me it’s soemthing that has to be sold in limited numbers like 1000 or less.
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the question is, is the market as big as some of you think? The Z28 was like 70k and sold terribly. Say they cut all the bells and whistles and cut 200lbs and it’ll be very harsh ride, how many are going to pony up like 150k plus for it? Last time I checked ACR also Sold poorly. To me it’s soemthing that has to be sold in limited numbers like 1000 or less.
Exactly why it would be smart to have it just be an option package (like Porsche's Weissach) on the existing car. Then you can truly have something for everyone on the existing platform.
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Let’s do some math
Every 1 min, ZR1 has an advantage of 2.5 seconds over ZL1
1LE ZL1 just put a 7:15 s in Nurburgring
2.5*7 = 17.5 s
7:15 - 18 s = 6 min and 57 second
I don’t think ZR1 is can go further than 6:55.
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
The A8 ZR1's going to the Nurburgring. I wasn't sure there was interest being its not selling in Europe.
There is! He drove well.

Same as the ZO6! (7:12!? Speed!)
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
It looked like he was working hard with the 1LE. Surprised it wasn't closer. How did he get the same time with a Z06? Car had mods, different conditions...

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Default I was going to do this! ;)

Originally Posted by Iker
Let’s do some math
Every 1 min, ZR1 has an advantage of 2.5 seconds over ZL1
1LE ZL1 just put a 7:15 s in Nurburgring
2.5*7 = 17.5 s
7:15 - 18 s = 6 min and 57 second
I don’t think ZR1 is can go further than 6:55.
Let me touch it up a bit though:

7:16.04/ 1:09.6 = X/ 1:06.9

6:55 is close to VIR slower calc

6:57.32; but straightaways of plenty; ***** (same driver ZL1 not!)




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Originally Posted by tbrenny33


the question is, is the market as big as some of you think? The Z28 was like 70k and sold terribly. Say they cut all the bells and whistles and cut 200lbs and it’ll be very harsh ride, how many are going to pony up like 150k plus for it? Last time I checked ACR also Sold poorly. To me it’s soemthing that has to be sold in limited numbers like 1000 or less.
This x 1,000,000. Just flawless. Finally, someone who gets it.
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
More straights, and speed, will help the ZR1.
It needs a cooler ring though. The ZR1 can really put the hurt on those tires sliding around like it does!

Looks like you have to be a GM Engineer driver to wring out a time.
fastestlaps posted this time having ignored the two VIR times. The Unofficial Ford GT time didn't make it either.

Expect continued mediocre results!
Interesting that GM Engineers and their VIR laps are mentioned. Even more interesting is that the car they used was an automatic and they used PTM.

For a ZR1 to be quicker than a ZO6 there needs to be a track which allows drivers to use LT5's extra power and ZTKs aero.

Originally Posted by tbrenny33
the question is, is the market as big as some of you think?
It's not.

The Z28 was like 70k and sold terribly. Say they cut all the bells and whistles and cut 200lbs and it’ll be very harsh ride, how many are going to pony up like 150k plus for it? Last time I checked ACR also Sold poorly. To me it’s soemthing that has to be sold in limited numbers like 1000 or less.
"tbrenny33" gets the hump-day "Beacon of Reality Award."

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Originally Posted by Hib Halverson
Interesting that GM Engineers and their VIR laps are mentioned. Even more interesting is that the car they used was an automatic and they used PTM.

For a ZR1 to be quicker than a ZO6 there needs to be a track which allows drivers to use LT5's extra power and ZTKs aero.

It's not.

"tbrenny33" gets the hump-day "Beacon of Reality Award."
YES! Made my day! To me it just seems like just buy a GS with Z07 package do some bolt ons for more power then gut weight and do lightweight seats. That seems like a cheaper/better solution. I would love a GS with that Katech NA motor!!

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So identical time to a Z06. 1s faster than a GT3 but 1s slower than gt3rs and 3 seconds slower than a gt2rs. Thats about what I have been saying in two other threads

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Originally Posted by tbrenny33


YES! Made my day! To me it just seems like just buy a GS with Z07 package do some bolt ons for more power then gut weight and do lightweight seats. That seems like a cheaper/better solution. I would love a GS with that Katech NA motor!!
thats too tedious and will end up costing just as much . It easier for those with the resources to pencil whip a check for the zr1 and then take a hack saw Jenny Craig diet to it.
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Originally Posted by Hib Halverson
"tbrenny33" gets the hump-day "Beacon of Reality Award."
That's a tall honor. Halverson hasn't given one of those out in a while.

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He botched a couple turns. I shouldn't say he, cause he may not be the driver.

GM gets an F minus for press fleet management. Can we see the alignment specs on the tested car?


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