The ZR1 is a flop
09-21-2018, 06:40 PM
#61
Looks like pretty even match up with a car that cost $180k more.... Great driving, enjoyed the video!
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09-21-2018, 07:29 PM
#62
Team Owner
IMO definitely not a flop but if anyone thought that it would be faster than a GT2 RS they are naive. I knew all along that the GT2 RS would be and still is the king, been saying this even before the ZR1 came out.
09-21-2018, 08:13 PM
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I think that my Z06 is a 100% better looking than the ZR1 especially with the BIG AZZ WING but even I understand that the ZR1 is the fastest and new king of the hill for now when it comes to Corvettes.
09-21-2018, 08:40 PM
#65
Race Director
09-21-2018, 10:36 PM
#66
Melting Slicks
The zr1 can turn lap after lap without loss of power or the dreaded limp mode. Its not a drag car, look at all the aero it has. ZR1 is basically the maximum effort vette with the current design.
09-21-2018, 11:07 PM
#67
Burning Brakes
So you went from someone spinning a C7Z = more hp than the chassis can handle to a GT3 that hooks under power in a way a Corvette could only dream of.
That makes a lot of sense. No...actually it doesn't.
Ive driven a .1 GT3 around a track and that car will have its hands full with a C7 GS w/ Z07. .
That makes a lot of sense. No...actually it doesn't.
Ive driven a .1 GT3 around a track and that car will have its hands full with a C7 GS w/ Z07. .
I wasn't making a faster lap times argument. I was talking about hooking up under power. I would argue the gs could use that horsepower bump we are talking about, because the chasis could take it.
Doesn't the ZR1 make more power than the gt2rs? Would you argue the zr1 has a better chasis? ... Do you know how different the gt2rs chasis is from a normal Carrera? They didn't just give it another 300 horsepower and call it good like GM did turning the gs into the zr1. Oh and they fixed the overheating problem that shouldn't have been there in the first place and added a spoiler.
The zr1 is to super cars what every other Corvette is to their competitors. Often performance is on par or better than for half the price.
I don't really agree it is a flop. They will sell as many of them as they make. I just wish more changed for the extra $90k
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09-21-2018, 11:50 PM
#68
Melting Slicks
Have you also driven a Z on track? Are you telling me you didn't notice how much more diligent you have to be while rolling into the throttle in the Z? really? ... You must not be driving fast enough.
I wasn't making a faster lap times argument. I was talking about hooking up under power. I would argue the gs could use that horsepower bump we are talking about, because the chasis could take it.
Doesn't the ZR1 make more power than the gt2rs? Would you argue the zr1 has a better chasis? ... Do you know how different the gt2rs chasis is from a normal Carrera? They didn't just give it another 300 horsepower and call it good like GM did turning the gs into the zr1. Oh and they fixed the overheating problem that shouldn't have been there in the first place and added a spoiler.
The zr1 is to super cars what every other Corvette is to their competitors. Often performance is on par or better than for half the price.
I don't really agree it is a flop. They will sell as many of them as they make. I just wish more changed for the extra $90k
I wasn't making a faster lap times argument. I was talking about hooking up under power. I would argue the gs could use that horsepower bump we are talking about, because the chasis could take it.
Doesn't the ZR1 make more power than the gt2rs? Would you argue the zr1 has a better chasis? ... Do you know how different the gt2rs chasis is from a normal Carrera? They didn't just give it another 300 horsepower and call it good like GM did turning the gs into the zr1. Oh and they fixed the overheating problem that shouldn't have been there in the first place and added a spoiler.
The zr1 is to super cars what every other Corvette is to their competitors. Often performance is on par or better than for half the price.
I don't really agree it is a flop. They will sell as many of them as they make. I just wish more changed for the extra $90k
09-22-2018, 01:38 AM
#69
Burning Brakes
The current chassis is at its limit. I was surprised to see them add more power to it, with the z06 pretty much overpowering it as it is. You watch Randy Probst white knuckle the z06 and then turn around and talk about how easy the Zl1 is to run around the track, it makes you think. The mid-engine I think is the change you are looking for.
09-22-2018, 02:46 AM
#70
Drifting
Exactly, and that’s why the mid engine Corvette is nearly upon us.
I, like many here, have no issue with the ZR1. I wish I had one (or two!) but I also think that it has reached its practical limits as a street car, that’s just my opinion.
At this point I’m just an interested observer waiting to see what Chevrolet and the future have to offer. On one hand I’m really looking forward to the C8, on the other I’m a bit concerned that a mid engine Corvette will have such limited utility and such a compromised ease of entry and exit that it will be little more than a $75,000+ toy good for nothing more than the occasional canyon run and a Saturday morning cars & coffee. On the other hand the C8 could be the real deal, the practical, semi affordable mid engine beast (in a good way) that so many of us hope it will be. If they decide to drop the C7 in the near term I’d be in a bit of a bind deciding between a heavily discounted C7 GS and a price inflated C8 Z51.
I, like many here, have no issue with the ZR1. I wish I had one (or two!) but I also think that it has reached its practical limits as a street car, that’s just my opinion.
At this point I’m just an interested observer waiting to see what Chevrolet and the future have to offer. On one hand I’m really looking forward to the C8, on the other I’m a bit concerned that a mid engine Corvette will have such limited utility and such a compromised ease of entry and exit that it will be little more than a $75,000+ toy good for nothing more than the occasional canyon run and a Saturday morning cars & coffee. On the other hand the C8 could be the real deal, the practical, semi affordable mid engine beast (in a good way) that so many of us hope it will be. If they decide to drop the C7 in the near term I’d be in a bit of a bind deciding between a heavily discounted C7 GS and a price inflated C8 Z51.
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09-22-2018, 06:54 AM
#71
Drifting
Yeah OP seems to pick cherries and not the good kind either...
if OP is really a GS owner, I’m glad I traded mine in, because this was a pretty sorry attitude. 
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09-22-2018, 08:46 AM
#72
I appreciate reading comments here from people who have the actual experience & knowledge about the Z & Porsches. A "flop " compared with what? If Chevrolet would build a $320k Corvette (& I hope they don't) we would have to compare it to Bugatti Veyrons...My base Corvette can probably smoke 97% of the cars out there & is perfectly adaquate and a hellUVA lot of fun...
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09-22-2018, 09:21 AM
#73
Drifting
Obvious Troll is OBVIOUS. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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09-22-2018, 09:34 AM
#74
Race Director
I'm just not a fanboy. I think the GS is a great track car. But right now I think the ZL1 1LE is GM's best overall track car. the FI C7's have issues and aren't worth the money.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
Tell you what:
Go on Rennsport and tell them the GT3 is overated
Go on FerrariChat and tell them the 488 is POS because it's FI
Go on....nevermind, you KNOW what you're doing and WHY you're doing it. Just seems strange to need attention from total strangers on the internet.
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09-22-2018, 10:16 AM
#75
I have to agree. The viper ACR, which had more than 100 hp less than the zr1, still is faster in multiple tracks and still hangs with the GT2 RS. At Laguna and big willow, the viper is less than half a sec slower than the GT2 RS and is still faster than both the Huracan performance and 720s at those tracks, and the thing had a friggin 6 speed manual. ACR is a monster and I was hoping the zr1 would be the next viper ACR which would break multiple track records (which GM I assumed marketed it would do) but nope. Too heavy and the platform is already at it's limit which is why they are going to mid engine.
P.S. the viper's MSRP was lower than the zr1's, so you can't use argue how cheap the zr1 is.
P.S. the viper's MSRP was lower than the zr1's, so you can't use argue how cheap the zr1 is.
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cplabaunza (09-25-2018)
09-22-2018, 10:29 AM
#76
Safety Car
I'm just not a fanboy. I think the GS is a great track car. But right now I think the ZL1 1LE is GM's best overall track car. the FI C7's have issues and aren't worth the money.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
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09-22-2018, 11:14 AM
#77
Melting Slicks
C7 ZR1 is the last of the FE Corvettes for the near future. Who would of thought 15 years ago even 5 years ago we would be discussing that GM produced a Corvette with over 700 hp. I think that is very cool, Especially for us who had to go through the 1970 to late 1980”s with those laughable choices of low power sports cars. Tadge and Bob Lutz even in the last Autoline Video posted on this forum said the FE C7 was at its max grip capabilities. All the downforce wings are not going to solve traction problems. My loaded out c7 Z06 had issues with handling the torque and keeping it on the ground, the ZR1 must be a handful to drive. Lutz in that video even said unless its a high HP long strait type track that a Z06 will be pretty close in times with comparable driver behind the wheel. This is another reason GM is moving to a Rear Mid Engine agriculture, the ZR1 as an FE is maxed out. I do feel it will be a collector car if my first statement stands true that the FE is dead and ME is it. Answer to the ? Is it a flop, Well the Corvette ZR1 Crushes Ford GT in Car & Driver Lightning Lap.
I say not completely it’s just an overpowered FE which makes it hard to contain in most drivers hands, I prefer a balanced approach to my track weapons.
I say not completely it’s just an overpowered FE which makes it hard to contain in most drivers hands, I prefer a balanced approach to my track weapons.
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09-22-2018, 11:36 AM
#79
Melting Slicks
C7 ZR1 is the last of the FE Corvettes for the near future. Who would of thought 15 years ago even 5 years ago we would be discussing that GM produced a Corvette with over 700 hp. I think that is very cool, Especially for us who had to go through the 1970 to late 1980”s with those laughable choices of low power sports cars. Tadge and Bob Lutz even in the last Autoline Video posted on this forum said the FE C7 was at its max grip capabilities. All the downforce wings are not going to solve traction problems. My loaded out c7 Z06 had issues with handling the torque and keeping it on the ground, the ZR1 must be a handful to drive. Lutz in that video even said unless its a high HP long strait type track that a Z06 will be pretty close in times with comparable driver behind the wheel. This is another reason GM is moving to a Rear Mid Engine achriculture, the ZR1 is maxed out. I do feel it will be a collector car if my first statement stands true that the FE is dead and ME is it.
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