Motor Trend destroys the 2019 ZR1
#41
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‘This works great on the street but not on the track. I exchange e mails with Randy Pobst every so often. He said the ZR1 is a handful of car accelerating out of a corner in 1st, 2nd or 3rd. He has to bring up power slowly.
‘One of my neighbors recently bought a Mercedes AMG GT R with 577 HP. He had the HP increased to 825 for about $20,000. Even under heavy acceleration it does not come close to breaking free.
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#42
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Before modding, my Corvettes throughout the years have had 345, 505, 638, 650, and now 755hp. I've never had issues with, nor thought they were dangerous. I've always kept a healthy respect for throttle application and have been able to go fast on the street and the track with little concern for my safety with an "under engineered" car. I don't think adding 100 hp makes this car any more dangerous than any other Corvette in proper hands.
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It doesn't have anything to do with a mediocre suspension. That's simply what you get with an extremely high-powered, front engine, rear-wheel-drive car, without very careful throttle modulation, especially in cooler temperatures.
The rearward weight bias of the M8 should help with this, as would all-wheel-drive.
The rearward weight bias of the M8 should help with this, as would all-wheel-drive.
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#44
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When the new ZR1 was introduced every car magazine hailed it as the Corvette that destroys Super Cars. At VIR it blew the doors off the lap time. It seems like every few weeks something negative happens to ZR1. MT is right, the car makes tons of Horse Power, but it can't keep the tires on the road. Last week I tested a manual ZR1. We finally got some cooler weather in Orange County & I headed to the toll road. The entrance was a straight road which takes you to the Tollway. I was accelerating in 1st, shifted into 2nd and stepped on the throttle and all hell broke loose. The rear of the car literally jumped up & the rear moved to the right. Then it jumped all the way to the left. The ZR1 was in Sport1 and the electronics saved the car from doing a 360. Even on the toll road when in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd the tires continued to break free from the road under hard acceleration. A powerful engine with a mediocre suspension at best.
"I took a 755 HP RWD car out of the street today & stabbed the throttle & it stepped out. Therefore, it must have crap suspension'.
LOL.
Did you even check the tire pressures?
Today, while instructing at VIR, I was able to jump in the right seat of a ZR1 equipped with Hoosier slicks driven by a very capable driver (not quite at Sean's level, but fast & solid).
I have a 2018 Z06 and was not expecting such a dramatic difference.
To say the ZR1 has 'mediocre suspension' is BS. Plain and simple from someone basing that assertion tooling around on the interstate.
We clicked some 2:05's in traffic and the car was glued to the track. It handled curbing & sliding with ease, and even driver mistakes and mid-corner corrections while coming across as extremely forgiving.
Coming out of T1, the rear stepped out but it was not a big deal.
I got out very impressed
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#45
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You mean like this guy who is a seasoned driver on a race track?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKODVVdpDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKODVVdpDY
Have you even been in a ZR1, or any car for that matter at speed on a road course?
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I think that the rear end alignment might be causing some of these problems. My Z06 was really squirrley at WOT, tires hot or cold. When I got my ZR1 I was really worried about how it would be with the increase in power. I have found my ZR1 to be much better controllable under WOT, tires hot or cold.
I had always felt the my Z06's problems were alignment, but couldn't find someone in town to the job. I think that I have just been lucky, that my ZR1 came from the factory with the proper alignment.
I had always felt the my Z06's problems were alignment, but couldn't find someone in town to the job. I think that I have just been lucky, that my ZR1 came from the factory with the proper alignment.
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Come on now, we all know Corvettes are cheap compared to most exotics and under engineered for the HP.
And getting around a track is not a true test of awesomeness, reliability. And yes, Ferraris and other high end cars have some problems, but cheapness is not one of them.
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And getting around a track is not a true test of awesomeness, reliability. And yes, Ferraris and other high end cars have some problems, but cheapness is not one of them.
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#48
Maybe you should pay more attention to Poor-Sha's videos so you can see how it is done properly. As he indicated a lot of the problems are due to the tires not being hot. The tread has to be up around 190 degrees F for good traction. Spirited driving on the street will get them up into the low 130s at best.
Bill
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#49
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I did check Reuss out and he’s rated as one of GMs best drivers. Based on what Pobst has said abt the car and IndyCar drivers have said abt the turn 2 at Belle Isle, he may have been a little overconfident to go nannies off while getting unlucky. This car does seem to take some skill and practice to handle the torque, which is what others are saying. I got the sense he did something looser than he should have, which may be why he was apologizing for letting GM down.
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Aaah I thought that Ferrari licensed magnetic suspension technology from Corvette. If so, are those that are saying the corvette suspension is crap but Ferraris isnt somehow magically saying because a prancing horse is on it it is better?
My favorite of these arguements is comparing the vette to cars that are 2-4x as much as a vette, but somehow vette owners are getting screwed. GMAB.
My favorite of these arguements is comparing the vette to cars that are 2-4x as much as a vette, but somehow vette owners are getting screwed. GMAB.
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The rear of the car jumped from the right all the way to the left in mid air????
Suuurrreee it did......
Sounds like wheel hop... And someone who doesn't understand high hp cars on cold tires.
Suuurrreee it did......
Sounds like wheel hop... And someone who doesn't understand high hp cars on cold tires.
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You guys have a point about feathering the throttle etc and the car being a very good car from your personal view.
However, we have seen far too many similar reviews about ZR1 (the car and driver article, gt2rs vs zr1 article, MT review, Edmunds review) that all say the same thing (and there are 2 other reviews that I m forgetting). In fact, I think there are more negative reviews than positive reviews.
Do you think all the reviews are just lying and making things up? Do you think they may have a point? Or is it just some conspiracy against americans and Detroit?
However, we have seen far too many similar reviews about ZR1 (the car and driver article, gt2rs vs zr1 article, MT review, Edmunds review) that all say the same thing (and there are 2 other reviews that I m forgetting). In fact, I think there are more negative reviews than positive reviews.
Do you think all the reviews are just lying and making things up? Do you think they may have a point? Or is it just some conspiracy against americans and Detroit?
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You guys have a point about feathering the throttle etc and the car being a very good car from your personal view.
However, we have seen far too many similar reviews about ZR1 (the car and driver article, gt2rs vs zr1 article, MT review, Edmunds review) that all say the same thing (and there are 2 other reviews that I m forgetting). In fact, I think there are more negative reviews than positive reviews.
Do you think all the reviews are just lying and making things up? Do you think they may have a point? Or is it just some conspiracy against americans and Detroit?
However, we have seen far too many similar reviews about ZR1 (the car and driver article, gt2rs vs zr1 article, MT review, Edmunds review) that all say the same thing (and there are 2 other reviews that I m forgetting). In fact, I think there are more negative reviews than positive reviews.
Do you think all the reviews are just lying and making things up? Do you think they may have a point? Or is it just some conspiracy against americans and Detroit?
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The ZR1 should not be sold with Cup 2 tires, no grip until there heated up. For $130K car they should switch them to MPSS for you.
95% of the ZR1s will never be driven on the track. With cold weather coming, there will be more accidents.
Safe driving, it's an amazing car
95% of the ZR1s will never be driven on the track. With cold weather coming, there will be more accidents.
Safe driving, it's an amazing car
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Dont get upset now. When you buy a high HP vehicle, you need to learn to drive it. You dont just go out thinking you are all that and a bag of chips.
GMs cars arent Ferraris, Porsches, Lamborghinis. You know, they put allot of engineering behind their cars, and amongst other things, pretty sophisticated traction control. .
GM, nothing. They put the minimum required, due to bean counters. The engineers are great, but, the company wont let them loose. Anyone can make power, getting it to the ground requires money.
Many test drivers have wrecked high end cars too..Not news.
Hardly a seasoned race car driver, General Motors Executive Vice President of Global Product Development Mark Reuss ? ...lol
GMs cars arent Ferraris, Porsches, Lamborghinis. You know, they put allot of engineering behind their cars, and amongst other things, pretty sophisticated traction control. .
GM, nothing. They put the minimum required, due to bean counters. The engineers are great, but, the company wont let them loose. Anyone can make power, getting it to the ground requires money.
Many test drivers have wrecked high end cars too..Not news.
Hardly a seasoned race car driver, General Motors Executive Vice President of Global Product Development Mark Reuss ? ...lol
As far as Mark Reuss, General Motors Executive Vice President of Global Product Development, he is GM's greatest proponent for the Corvette models and I seriously believe that were it not for him we would not be enjoying Corvettes, including the Z06 and ZR1, today. I do know Reuss is a licensed competitive race car driver and has spent much time in development at the track and as a driver in numerous racing events. To criticize him for the widely publicized ZR1 crash as being indicative of his race driving abilities is unfair. I agree that nobody should just think they are a qualified competent driver by virtue of the fact they own any performance vehicle. Plainly said, these new Corvettes, including the forthcoming C8, are powerful beasts. People should make the effort to learn and familiarize themselves with the characteristics of their cars. Even so, anyone can have an accident on or off the track.
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