How will C7 ZR1 be affected by the C8?
01-18-2019, 04:29 PM
#22
Le Mans Master
Too early to tell
It depends greatly on several factors.
1. Will the C7 ZR1 be a 1 year car?
2. Will the FE continue along the ME?
3. Performance level of the C8
4. Timing of the high performance version of the C8
5. Pricing of the C8
I suspect the C7 ZR1 will have similar fate than the C4 and C6 ZR1s. (Price will fall at least 50% before it stabilizes).
1. Will the C7 ZR1 be a 1 year car?
2. Will the FE continue along the ME?
3. Performance level of the C8
4. Timing of the high performance version of the C8
5. Pricing of the C8
I suspect the C7 ZR1 will have similar fate than the C4 and C6 ZR1s. (Price will fall at least 50% before it stabilizes).
03-28-2019, 10:42 AM
#24
Burning Brakes
No effect. 2 different philosophies of car design. Rear engine and mid engine has not intrigued me. The front engine with the motor set back and the transmission/transaxle in the back is as close to 50/50 weight distribution as you can get. The issue as we all know is lack of traction with front engine and 500 hp plus with only 2 wheel drive. I think mid engine and rear 2 wheel drive only will have traction issues as well with 600+ hp. I think some of the traction issues would be overcome in the cars whether they are front, mid or rear engine if the cars had tires with taller sidewalls. Indy cars still run a 15 or 16 inch wheel with tall sidewalls.
How come these cars have not gone to big rims 18,19 20, inch rims with little skinny donuts ?
How come these cars have not gone to big rims 18,19 20, inch rims with little skinny donuts ?
03-28-2019, 10:49 AM
#25
Burning Brakes
I think most new ZR-1 owners do wonder how the C7 ZR-1 values will be affected, although I doubt many are loosing sleep over it. The value drop and desirability may vary more with some factors like.. if the 2019 is the last year for a rear drive ZR-1. Also, another factor will be if the base model ME C8 matches or exceeds the performance of the C7 ZR-1. I am not yet sure if I would sell my ZR-1 for a C8. If so, I would be more likely to purchase the 2nd year of the C8. That is not to say Chevrolet can't resolve most of the first year bugs, but it is just a personal preference. Also, even though the mid-engine vette has been in the works on and off since the Zora years, the fact that so much Corvette heritage has been established on a rear drive-front engine V8 platform, may hold a portion of some Vette owners into pre C8 models, again as a matter of personal preference. Although I had not driven a Corvette since my C4, and I ordered my ZR-1 not knowing how the C7 style drove, the ME is such a big change to me that I would test drive one first before considering the purchase. I have never driven a mid engine vehicle and would like to get a few miles in one to see the differences in overall cabin sound and dirveability.
It's to be expected to have some excitement over a new model that has yet to be released, but at some point - a dose of realism and price points need to be taken into consideration.
03-28-2019, 11:37 AM
#26
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It will take 40 years, but the C7 ZR1 will become another “big block C2” IMO.. so you 17 yr olds out there with a trust fund... pony up for one while you have the chance. 
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03-29-2019, 11:22 AM
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It will be a long time before the C8 is faster than the ZR. Nuff said 
03-29-2019, 12:00 PM
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In terms of sheer WOT pulls on any given gear, I dont think there are many cars out there that matches ZR1. I personally wouldnt want anything fastER, it would just be outright dangerous.
03-29-2019, 12:08 PM
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04-01-2019, 11:51 PM
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obvioudly you haven’t been in a well set up twin turbo v8 loaded against the convertor.. not sure what lag you are referring too. Yes my 335i has lag lol
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04-02-2019, 12:46 AM
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difference is a v8 has enough grunt on its own, that the lag is not a problem... its actually a blessing, as the car has plenty of power to break wheels loose at takeoff regardless, and once you are moving and engine rpm up, no more lag anyway.
04-03-2019, 10:58 AM
#33
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Has there ever been a more widely anticipated Corvette reveal than the mid engine Corvette? Most would say “No” I believe. Are most expecting a phenomenal car? Most would say “Yes”. Is the performance of the C8 expected to surpass that of the C7. Again, “yes”... in fact, GM has pretty much guaranteed it. See whats happening here? Expectations are through the roof for the C8 to be a significant improvement over the C7... all C7’s including Z06’s and ZR1’s. But will it?... the Z06 and even more so the ZR1 now run toe to toe with the worlds best sports cars including much more expensive exotic mid engines, beating many of them. Now having spent a lifetime in the financial services industry, I learned over many years the easiest way to disappoint is to “over promise”. It can happen without intent. I definitely see that is the likely case with the C8. Near everyone is expecting a home run when it comes to the plate, right out of the box. Many are expecting the value of the C7 to tank with the C8’s arrival. I would make a counter arguement. IMO, despite believing the C8 will be a wonderful car, I think its impossible for GM to deliver something the lives up to the expectations. They have painted themselves into a box here, albeit unintentionally. Anything but pure perfection will be criticized. It is almost impossible for there not to be reliability issues in the early models... and counter to what is generally being anticipated, the values of the venerable front engine Corvette will hold strong and some models will even appreciate. I’m not “talking my book” here as we used to say in the securities business, simply trying to provide a counter point of view to people trying to decide whether to buy a current FE or wait for the ME. I hope this sparks arguements from the other side.
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04-03-2019, 05:15 PM
#34
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I cannot see the ME C8 being produced alongside a FE C7, as it stands right now everything I have heard is that over the last year new corvette sales are down with large discounts in-place to keep them moving. This is normal and should be expected, as the C7 has been out for 6+ years, with variants along the way (Z06,Grand Sport, ZR1) to bolster sales.. Its past time for a change. I agree, this is progression. If you walked into a Chevrolet show room to buy a corvette, and there is a C7 and a C8 sitting side-by-side, would you expect the C7 to sell? My bet is the C7 ends when the C8 rolls out later this year.... And although I am partial, I still think GM is going to have a very hard time building a faster car than my ZR1.
04-04-2019, 05:52 AM
#35
Burning Brakes
Considering I saw a C6 ZR1 for 48 and another for 53, I expect the same from the C7 model. Maybe 60s/70s/80s since it’s a nicer overall car material wise. Either way though, massive drop off price. I expect manuals to hold their value more than the autos for what I feel like are obvious reasons.
04-04-2019, 10:12 PM
#36
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This is a thread with interesting comments.
The base C8 will come first and it's not going to have a twin-turbo engine. It's going to have a 6.2L LT2 V8 which is a derivative of the LT1 from C7. My guess is that car with the Z51 option, performance-wise, will place somewhere between a C7 GS and a C7 Z06.
Now, the coming high-performance variant of the C8–the presumed "ZO6" or what some have called the "Zora"–is likely where a Corvette-version of GM's "Black Wing" 4.2L twin-turbo V8 might appear. The Black Wing is already used in the Cadillac CT6-V and makes 550-hp in that application. There have been rumors for years that the high-performance C8 will produced 900-1000-hp. Ok now, let's do some math. Even if Jordan Lee's team at GM can bump-up the power from the Black Wing for a Corvette application, there's no way in hell they would get 350 more hp, so...from where will that additional horsepower come?
My bet is the C8 ZO6/Zora will be all-wheel drive and have the Black Wing in the middle and 300 or so horsepower worth of electric motors up front.
Of course, GM could play us all for suckers and come up with an all-new "Big Block" for the 2020s, a 700-cubic inch, 1050-hp normally aspirated V8.
Oops...sorry, it's been happy hour for a while now and I've been sucking up cocktails.
The base C8 will come first and it's not going to have a twin-turbo engine. It's going to have a 6.2L LT2 V8 which is a derivative of the LT1 from C7. My guess is that car with the Z51 option, performance-wise, will place somewhere between a C7 GS and a C7 Z06.
Now, the coming high-performance variant of the C8–the presumed "ZO6" or what some have called the "Zora"–is likely where a Corvette-version of GM's "Black Wing" 4.2L twin-turbo V8 might appear. The Black Wing is already used in the Cadillac CT6-V and makes 550-hp in that application. There have been rumors for years that the high-performance C8 will produced 900-1000-hp. Ok now, let's do some math. Even if Jordan Lee's team at GM can bump-up the power from the Black Wing for a Corvette application, there's no way in hell they would get 350 more hp, so...from where will that additional horsepower come?
My bet is the C8 ZO6/Zora will be all-wheel drive and have the Black Wing in the middle and 300 or so horsepower worth of electric motors up front.
Of course, GM could play us all for suckers and come up with an all-new "Big Block" for the 2020s, a 700-cubic inch, 1050-hp normally aspirated V8.
Oops...sorry, it's been happy hour for a while now and I've been sucking up cocktails.
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04-04-2019, 11:32 PM
#37
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This is a thread with interesting comments.
The base C8 will come first and it's not going to have a twin-turbo engine. It's going to have a 6.2L LT2 V8 which is a derivative of the LT1 from C7. My guess is that car with the Z51 option, performance-wise, will place somewhere between a C7 GS and a C7 GS ZO7.
Now, the coming high-performance variant of the C8–the presumed "ZO6" or what some have called the "Zora"–is likely where a Corvette-version of GM's "Black Wing" 4.2L twin-turbo V8 might appear. The Black Wing is already used in the Cadillac CT6-V and makes 550-hp in that application. There have been rumors for years that the high-performance C8 will produced 900-1000-hp. Ok now, let's do some match. Even if Jordan Lee's team at GM can bump-up the power from the Black Wing for a Corvette application, there's no way in hell they would get 350 more hp, so...from where will that additional horsepower come?
My bet is the C8 ZO6/Zora will be all-wheel drive and have 300 or so horsepower worth of electric motors up front.
Of course, GM could play us all for suckers and come up with an all-new "Big Block" for the 2020s, a 700-cubic inch, 1050-hp normally aspirated V8.
Oh...sorry, it's been happy hour for a while now and I've been sucking up cocktails.
The base C8 will come first and it's not going to have a twin-turbo engine. It's going to have a 6.2L LT2 V8 which is a derivative of the LT1 from C7. My guess is that car with the Z51 option, performance-wise, will place somewhere between a C7 GS and a C7 GS ZO7.
Now, the coming high-performance variant of the C8–the presumed "ZO6" or what some have called the "Zora"–is likely where a Corvette-version of GM's "Black Wing" 4.2L twin-turbo V8 might appear. The Black Wing is already used in the Cadillac CT6-V and makes 550-hp in that application. There have been rumors for years that the high-performance C8 will produced 900-1000-hp. Ok now, let's do some match. Even if Jordan Lee's team at GM can bump-up the power from the Black Wing for a Corvette application, there's no way in hell they would get 350 more hp, so...from where will that additional horsepower come?
My bet is the C8 ZO6/Zora will be all-wheel drive and have 300 or so horsepower worth of electric motors up front.
Of course, GM could play us all for suckers and come up with an all-new "Big Block" for the 2020s, a 700-cubic inch, 1050-hp normally aspirated V8.
Oh...sorry, it's been happy hour for a while now and I've been sucking up cocktails.
Other than that, I think you're spot on...
04-05-2019, 10:53 AM
#38
Stock Zr1 standing mile . 190.5 .
I have been to many standing mile events. The only stock car I have seen beat that was a McLaren 720. Watched him run 197.
Saw on You tube a buggatti did 205 I think and I am sure there are other million dollar cars than can do that.
As far as wanting anything faster. Yes Sir. Bring on that 1000 hp Twin Turbo ME. !!
04-09-2019, 02:40 AM
#39
Hopefully the price tanks.
Then one day it might be attainable for me!
Couldn't care less about a mid engine Vette.
Am sure it'll be incredible, but....not my cuppa tea. At least for now.
Then one day it might be attainable for me!
Couldn't care less about a mid engine Vette.
Am sure it'll be incredible, but....not my cuppa tea. At least for now.
04-09-2019, 06:58 AM
#40
Safety Car
