UnhandledException

What many of you are discounting is how the new car will be so different than the old one. Let me elaborate.

You guys have been taking the intoxicating pushrod engine and the noise it makes for granted. The sound this car makes is out of this world. Many people when they hear a twin turbo v8 are amazed how bad a turbo charged v8 sounds. Best way to explain it is imagine someone who just lost his/her voice due to common cold and that person is trying to sing. Its horrible.

I can imagine many, many, MANY, hard core corvette owners will stick to these C7 cars.

Also, coming back from one of the most advanced twin turbo v8s with a lot of tech (the new M5s) with built in pretensioners to build up boost in any rpm, I can tell you I hated how artificial turbo charged engines build up power. It is extremely unnatural. First, there is always lag. Its scientifically not possible even if you pretension the turbos. Second, the turbo results in a very steep and flat torque curve that hits a wall towards the end of the rpm range. Wait till you drive one.

For all its faults, I love how the character of this car is. The sound, the engine power band, the transmission, differential, they are all so well put together. I doubt the new car will be able to communicate with my soul like this car does.

punky

Good to hear that you like your car now.

UnhandledException

I have always stated that if I got a car without these issues, I would never sell this car. The core of the car, driveterrain, is out of this world. The noise, the power, the handling is amazing. I have never said anything to the contrary. My issues have always been with the build quality and fit and finish.

For example I have the opposite problem with BMW M cars of late. I have owned all kinds of variants. They have amazing build quality but they suck at sheer emotional connection. All the areas Corvette is simply amazing at.

I would not have bought this car if I didnt want it. Nobody put a gun to my head. I drove many Z06s at length so i had a pretty good idea what to expect driving experience wise (only better obviously).

Maybe they will fix my issues and make it right and I will be so happy with this car that I will keep it for 10 years.

range96

Are you saying the Z06 build quality is better than the ZR1's? Or you just expected much better build quality on the ZR1? If you think the build quality is bad on (only) your ZR1, why not get a good one? You said you like the car itself. If you have real issues with the car, I'm sure you could lemon law it or have GM offer you another one (without loss of money). I think you just nit-picking on minor imperfections. Most likely no one would even notice the things you mentioned. If I scrutinized my AMG's as much as you do your ZR1, I could give you a list of "inexcusable" problems as well. I think you should appreciate the car for what it is, not what it is not. If you have a 1/32" gap between the front bumper cover and the fender, how is that affect the esthetics or functionality of the car? Same thing with the up and down "play" on the steering columns. Does it create a sloppy steering effect? Comparing the C7 ZR1 against the C6 ZR1 build quality I see major improvements.

UnhandledException

I have not seen a Z06 with as many issues as my car. No corvette I have seen has as bad panel alignment inside and outside.

My dashboard is not aligned with the door by as much as 3/4”. And this misalignment is not on the door’s side which is easier to fix, its on the dashboard. The alcantra on my dashboard is also sticking out all the way to the air vent. The trim piece below the climate control buttons has a gap of 3/8” between itself and the right most dashboard piece.

My front bumper is so badly misaligned, you can even tell it standing from 6’ away. The gap around the headlight is flush in some places, and there is 3/8” gap in other. The outer most tips of the front bumper sticks out (i.e as if they are curved up).

The roof creaks and incredible amount. Roof also leaks (could be related).

The loose steering column is something I feel every time I turn with the vehicle in a somewhat sporty fashion. If i use the telescope feature of the steering column, the more I extend the, the worse it gets. At 50% extension, it is more than twice loose. It is so bad that when driving the car and car goes over bumps, you can see the column move (when extended).

The rear bumper and rear quarter panels and rockers are all off alignment. If you look at the wing mount holes of the bumper. One side the mount has less than 1/8” gap, on other side there is almost 1” of gap. So bumper is way off alignment.

There are even more problems. I am not “nit picking” these are all very obvious problems.

If they can find me a car without these issues, I ll take it. But then I m out $6500 on xpel which I would have to redo again. I am not doing that on my own dime.

vetteheadracer

New C8 is a going to be a replacement to the equivalent C7 Stingray.

Some will rush out and buy one because it is "new" but the smart people will wait until GM bring out the Z06 version probably a year later and then possibly a Grand Sport version after that and then a ZR1 version which might beat the horsepower of the current C7 ZR1 in about 2022.

I would be at least 3 years older by that time or possibly dead so no I don't think it would affect my decision to purchase a C7 ZR1 if I was thinking of buying one.

UnhandledException

I would run to your nearest dealer with a performance turbo v8 engine and drive a car before even entertaining this C8 idea. The engine dynamics will be totally different.

Watch mclaren 720s videos in fact even mclaren senna videos. The car sounds terrible. You hardcore corvette fans will go nuts with that engine.

The only thing good about turbo charging is weight reduction and also tuning potential. No more pulley swaps. No more massive engines with big superchargers on top. But its not my cup of tea.

range96

Your best approach to your predicament is to work out a deal with GM for a replacement car. The xpel cost you'll have to eat...

duanesZ06

No one really knows how GM will obtain the 1,000 HP we anticipate. So before some of you start doging the ZR1 C8 or whatever it will be called. Lets give GM a chance to finish what they have begun. They have done great things with Corvette. I do not believe they will disappoint, it's still the best sports car for the money and to me the ZR1 is quite special.

serpent

Every ZR1 is special for sure. Comparing this to a regular C8 is pointless. GM will purposely limit the C8. They will try to make it sound like it is the next best thing, but it will not hold a candle to the ZR1. ZR1 performance numbers wont happen until we see a C8 Z06.

MarkP

Incorrect.

Like they have done with previous generations, GM will start off with a base model, and possibly a Z51 ride and handling package. Then roll out a Z06 / Grand Sport the following year, and then an ultra-high performance version down the road. This isn't "purposely limiting the C8". There is a method behind the madness for gradually rolling out various models over the years and just about every automotive manufacturer follows this same pattern of introduction.

And you know this how?

If you're comparing the first year of the C8 to the ZR1, and all you care about is bragging rights in terms of who has the bigger set of ***** under the hood, then yeah, chances are, the mid-engine won't compare to the ZR1 as it relates to horsepower and torque. However, don't be surprised, if the first year C8 Corvette will be able to out-handle and out-brake the ZR1.

Unless you're part of the Corvette Development Team and have first-hand access to all of their data for the C8, you're in no position to make blanket statements like this.

Huh?

Hib Halverson

Apparently you did not detect my humor.

vettefordays

Would be nice to see a Halo car like the "Zora" in extremely limited numbers and then a lightweight, mid-engined base C8 with 500 NA HP on a car that weighs a tick over 3,000 pounds with a DCT and M7 option. Z06 to follow a year later and then a ZR1 model a couple years after that.

range96

I knew you wouldn't be serious after a few beers! I was just agreeing with you. Eventually, GM will reach that 1,000 hp level with the hybrid version, weighing 3,800 lb.

Detroit_Bill

The only way to make money is the car game is volume. I firmly believe C7 and C8 will not co-exist for long if at all. It simply does not make financial sense.

Before I bought my Z06 I paid full pop to do the Spring Mountain School. I came away with two conclusions. 1.) The Z06's performance threshold on the track was incredible, very impressive. 2.) There is no sane way to approach the performance threshold on the street.

A turbo version is just a rumor, I wouldn't dwell on it. I do agree that a turbo just does not sound good. I don't think there has to be lag, technology has gotten around a lot of that. BUT it does not have the down low torque of the supercharged V8's, the torque is nuts.
I am interested in the C8, the talk of it actually drew me into a C7.

Mikec7z

take 30 grand in cash... and light it on fire. You get to keep the rest. That's how its resale value going to be affected

Glenn Quagmire

Based on what period of time?

Mikec7z

I would say by next June. And I dont say if because of the performance, i say it because of the looks of the c8... i believe we are highly fooled on what the rear area of the car looks like. Perhaps im wrong, but there is potential this thing could look amazing.

2500 hd

I hope you are right, because the way it looks now with all the wrapping , I don't think it look's that good.

rob62

pretty much, but you always have the option to keep your money in the bank and die a rich man.