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Old 12-11-2018, 02:03 AM
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Default R&T says ZR1 bests McLaren Senna!

Just finished reading the January 2019 Road & Track article stating the ZR1 beat 7 other cars they tested for their "Performance Car of the Year!"

The $122,095 ZR1 came in first with the $964,966 McLaren Senna coming in 2nd!

It was also ahead of the $353,800 Ferrari 488 Pista and $294,250 Porsche 911 GT2RS.

Interesting read!

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Is this what youíre speaking of! I think there was a thread about it several weeks ago.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-the-year.html

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Old 12-11-2018, 05:33 AM
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Is this what you’re speaking of! I think there was a thread about it several weeks ago.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-the-year.html
Yep, guess I'm late looking at that issue!

I get so many they do accumulate! Looked at date and thought it was one I just got in the mail! Was surprised when I didn't see a comment but now I see why!

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I just got mine in the mail too. Long delay at the printers?
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Originally Posted by JerryU View Post
Yep, guess I'm late looking at that issue!

I get so many they do accumulate! Looked at date and thought it was one I just got in the mail! Was surprised when I didn't see a comment but now I see why!
It happens man...definitely a good read. Thanks!
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Old 12-11-2018, 04:28 PM
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Much of the victory is price related and user friendliness for daily use. If at equal cost which would you rather have? Do not think many will choose the Chevy.
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I agree.^^ Do you perceive that as good or bad? And if at equal cost, chevy would have some splaining to do.
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But it's not at equal cost. That's the point.


if there were a 30k sports coupe that could give the ZR1 a run for it's money we would be praising that 30k coupe. The ZR1 is a supercar. The Z06 is a supercar light .. and the grand sport is almost one.

I think the cool thing is that the Senna is only a few bucks away from "hypercar" territory... that's impressive.

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Originally Posted by 16/C7Z View Post
But it's not at equal cost. That's the point.


if there were a 30k sports coupe that could give the ZR1 a run for it's money we would be praising that 30k coupe.
This is an excellent point! Just to show the real value that you are getting in dollar amounts that actually make sense to regular people like us. If we swapped the benchmark of the $1,000,000 Senna to the $140,000 ZR1:
  • A car as close to the ZR1 as the GT2 RS is the Senna on track (.88 seconds @ NCMP) would only cost around $48,300 (before mark-up ).
  • A car as close to the ZR1 as the ZR1 is to the Senna on a track (2.59 seconds @ NCMP) would only cost about $19,600 while also being a better touring car, sounding better, and looking better!
I think looking at it this way makes the Porsche look like an excellent value and then shows what an insane amount of car the ZR1 (and yes, even though there isn't data for them in this test, the Z06 and GS) are!


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Originally Posted by the professor View Post
This is an excellent point! Just to show the real value that you are getting in dollar amounts that actually make sense to regular people like us. If we swapped the benchmark of the $1,000,000 Senna to the $140,000 ZR1:
  • A car as close to the ZR1 as the GT2 RS is the Senna on track (.88 seconds @ NCMP) would only cost around $48,300 (before mark-up ).
  • A car as close to the ZR1 as the ZR1 is to the Senna on a track (2.59 seconds @ NCMP) would only cost about $19,600 while also being a better touring car, sounding better, and looking better!
I think looking at it this way makes the Porsche look like an excellent value and then shows what an insane amount of car the ZR1 (and yes, even though there isn't data for them in this test, the Z06 and GS) are!
There is no Porsche that could ever be considered a "value".
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Originally Posted by Doctor Mark View Post
Much of the victory is price related and user friendliness for daily use. If at equal cost which would you rather have? Do not think many will choose the Chevy.
How about we strip others down to the cost of a ZR and see what we are left with......................For the $$$$$ you can't beat the performance, that speaks volumes!
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Originally Posted by DebRedZR1 View Post
How about we strip others down to the cost of a ZR and see what we are left with......................For the $$$$$ you can't beat the performance, that speaks volumes!
You nailed it!
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Originally Posted by DebRedZR1 View Post
How about we strip others down to the cost of a ZR and see what we are left with......................For the $$$$$ you can't beat the performance, that speaks volumes!
Or give the Vette team the senna price budget and watch what car everyone picks?,
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Or give the Vette team the senna price budget and watch what car everyone picks?,
Do we have to maintain it with parts from over there? I think I'll stay domestic with the chevy. Besides, I plan on having to do a lot of maintenance during down time from the track. Easy money in and easy money staying there (relatively speaking, of course).
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Originally Posted by JerryU View Post
Just finished reading the January 2019 Road & Track article stating the ZR1 beat 7 other cars they tested for their "Performance Car of the Year!"

The $122,095 ZR1 came in first with the $964,966 McLaren Senna coming in 2nd!

It was also ahead of the $353,800 Ferrari 488 Pista and $294,250 Porsche 911 GT2RS.

Interesting read!
i bet General Motors cumulatively paid road and track more in ad money then all the other manufacturers combined to say these sweet nothings. in the end 122k is a lot of money. But it is less then 300k to a million bucks it would cost to buy these other cars so the value is certainly there.

But the guys who could afford to pay and are willing to pay 300k to 1 million bucks for the mcclaren or Ferrari or Porsche feel the same about your zr1 as you feel about a Honda Civic R or Ford Focus RS offered for 2019.

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ZR1 is pretty impressive a performance machine,

lucky owners who get to play with them im sure are laughing as they enjoy that beast.

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i bet General Motors cumulatively paid road and track more in ad money then all the other manufacturers combined to say these sweet nothings. in the end 122k is a lot of money. But it is less then 300k to a million bucks it would cost to buy these other cars so the value is certainly there.

But the guys who could afford to pay and are willing to pay 300k to 1 million bucks for the mcclaren or Ferrari or Porsche feel the same about your zr1 as you feel about a Honda Civic R or Ford Focus RS offered for 2019.
I always watch for that as well! When we became a separate company, as a levered buyout from a ~10 billion dollar multinational, I out advertised the two majors in our business (to get our new name recognized) and got the back cover of the Industry Monthly Journal, in year 2. Once you have it you keep it (at a premium ad cost!) Got lots of free articles published during that time. It worked, 4 years later the new name was well recognized and we sold the business 1 year ahead of schedule for twice the purchase price!

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But don't find much Corvette advertising in magazines compared to Porsche. I don't subscribe to a "clipping service" but my subjective opinion is it's only a fraction. Always found that service for NASCAR races interesting and expensive. They have folks watch the race and if your name/logo appears for more that ~5 seconds the length is measured. The ad folks can show you the equitant cost to pay for TV ads that long!

Recall the Lowe's Car, which they didn't pay a dime, had three supplier sponsors who rotated names on the rear bumper every 1/3 race. That is often visible from a camera in the car behind! The one I recall was Pink Panther Insulation. They get an exclusive supplier position!

Remember asking the Pepsi marketing person who was at Richard Petty's (were we had a minor sponsorship) shop why they didn't have a car. She laughed and said we don't need our name exposed, who do you think pays for the Food Lion car? They get preferential end isle and exclusive promotion deals!

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But the guys who could afford to pay and are willing to pay 300k to 1 million bucks for the mcclaren or Ferrari or Porsche feel the same about your zr1 as you feel about a Honda Civic R or Ford Focus RS
Not the ones I've spoken with. They're aware of the capabilities of the Z06 and ZR1. And a couple told me that they are afraid to use their cars for practical transportation for fear of things like parking lot door dings. Corvette owners don't need to worry nearly as much about such things.
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Not the ones I've spoken with. They're aware of the capabilities of the Z06 and ZR1. And a couple told me that they are afraid to use their cars for practical transportation for fear of things like parking lot door dings. Corvette owners don't need to worry nearly as much about such things.
good point, and they are being nice. I have said the same thing to my friend that just bought the new Ford Focus.

Door dings and bad weather is what my kia all wheel drive Sorento is for. For the mclaren owner thatís what his Land Rover or Porsche suv is for.

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Originally Posted by Doctor Mark View Post
Much of the victory is price related and user friendliness for daily use. If at equal cost which would you rather have? Do not think many will choose the Chevy.
And if a frog didn't have back legs, he'd bump his *** when he jumps....
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