Your ZR1 and the new California Law
01-11-2019, 01:36 PM
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I'll add the biggest "change" is in the enforcement of the law (along with the mandatory fine of course). Because they are choosing to put so much attention into enforcing this law, there will be several people that get citations (right or wrong, modified or loud stock exhaust that they then have to prove) that wouldn't have as the law was previously written and enforced...
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01-11-2019, 02:46 PM
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01-11-2019, 03:33 PM
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Sounds like the IRS. They charge you, lock your bank accounts, assess you with a bunch of insane fines and interest and it is up to you to hire a lawyer that can prove your innocence.
01-11-2019, 07:40 PM
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People get stopped and pay fines, or plead guilty without any form of due diligence. I worked for PD for 3 years and I can confirm 110% that you can beat 9 out of 10 traffic citations, within the boundary of law. 3 out of 4 Police officers I knew, frankly didn't know the law other than basic guidelines. They learned how to be cops from the guys in the street doin it and winning for 20yrs. You profile the car and its occupants, pull over upon basis of a myriad of slippery laws (terry v ohio, phantom seat belt violations, vehicle matching description, etc) then build the case once you're at the window. Most don't take it to court, but officers I worked with made 4hrs mandatory overtime per court case, as long as they didn't work 1st shift. So, basically, everyone with less seniority/less salary, could boost their income dramatically by writing citations and encouraging the driver to request a hearing where they'd "drop it to a 'x' violation". People didn't even have the mindset to fight the ticket...just plead guilty and get off cheaper with a "break".
I've seen it from the inside...and it's dirty as hell...I'll confirm that for everyone.
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01-11-2019, 07:47 PM
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I will also point out one more thing, many may have missed in the video. He stated they were operating on a grant to police that section of highway...i.e. supplemental funds from a source who wants to make a political impact, statistical impact, etc...but also generate revenue.
In my area where I worked, the state would send out two state cops "on loan" to work 3 days in each township. Their specialty was DOT violations/commercial vehicle code. The purpose was they'd come in, show the township how much revenue they'd generate for the courts/local EMS/PD/etc, then the state would pay for a grant to train the officers in DOT to boost "combating dangerous commercial vehicles". I'll acknowledge, there are legit issues with some garbage truck maintenance, some small landscapers...things that create a danger, but the bigger picture is these companies simply pay the bill and go on their way. It's taxation of the local population that sidesteps legislative changes. Convicting real criminals costs money, making criminals out of the innocent pays the bills.
In my area where I worked, the state would send out two state cops "on loan" to work 3 days in each township. Their specialty was DOT violations/commercial vehicle code. The purpose was they'd come in, show the township how much revenue they'd generate for the courts/local EMS/PD/etc, then the state would pay for a grant to train the officers in DOT to boost "combating dangerous commercial vehicles". I'll acknowledge, there are legit issues with some garbage truck maintenance, some small landscapers...things that create a danger, but the bigger picture is these companies simply pay the bill and go on their way. It's taxation of the local population that sidesteps legislative changes. Convicting real criminals costs money, making criminals out of the innocent pays the bills.
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01-18-2019, 10:29 PM
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You guys DO know that cops are paid and taught how to LIE to motorists, right?
Didn't know that. 27 years as a Motor cop and supervisor and I never received any of that training. Thank god for body and cycle cams.
Didn't know that. 27 years as a Motor cop and supervisor and I never received any of that training. Thank god for body and cycle cams.
01-19-2019, 01:02 AM
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Here is a thought
As long as you your car is legal sound wise, and if you don't have stock exhaust, then carry a DB meter in the car along with a copy of the noise regulation and just offer to show the LEO that the car is legal?
Who knows might just work....
Who knows might just work....
01-19-2019, 08:44 AM
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first half of the podcast is some one knowledgeable explaining both the law, the application to date, and how it puts owners in a strange scenario.
also, the 95dba rating is at 3000-5000rpm and off of load, incredibly loud. the issue isn't the law, the issue is how police officers apply it.
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01-19-2019, 08:48 AM
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You guys DO know that cops are paid and taught how to LIE to motorists, right? I've been written up for a moving violation that didn't exist, and promptly had it thrown out by trial by written declaration. I've also been pulled over and told specifically that I would not have been had it not been for his quota - which is illegal under CA law. And that got thrown out. And 100% of red light cameras are illegal under CA law, but still exist. So if you are one of the few that fight a ticket from one it will be immediately thrown out in court to preserve the revenue from the others that don't fight.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
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01-19-2019, 10:45 AM
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You guys DO know that cops are paid and taught how to LIE to motorists, right? I've been written up for a moving violation that didn't exist, and promptly had it thrown out by trial by written declaration. I've also been pulled over and told specifically that I would not have been had it not been for his quota - which is illegal under CA law. And that got thrown out. And 100% of red light cameras are illegal under CA law, but still exist. So if you are one of the few that fight a ticket from one it will be immediately thrown out in court to preserve the revenue from the others that don't fight.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
01-19-2019, 06:43 PM
#34
Burning Brakes
https://youtu.be/6YZ1SMsKhLc
first half of the podcast is some one knowledgeable explaining both the law, the application to date, and how it puts owners in a strange scenario.
also, the 95dba rating is at 3000-5000rpm and off of load, incredibly loud. the issue isn't the law, the issue is how police officers apply it.
first half of the podcast is some one knowledgeable explaining both the law, the application to date, and how it puts owners in a strange scenario.
also, the 95dba rating is at 3000-5000rpm and off of load, incredibly loud. the issue isn't the law, the issue is how police officers apply it.
Thankfully there are good cops too.
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01-20-2019, 02:24 AM
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I take exception to the claim cops are taught to lie. In response, I intend to hunt Corvettes for the remainder of my shift and cite for any and all violations.
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01-20-2019, 08:34 AM
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You guys DO know that cops are paid and taught how to LIE to motorists, right? I've been written up for a moving violation that didn't exist, and promptly had it thrown out by trial by written declaration. I've also been pulled over and told specifically that I would not have been had it not been for his quota - which is illegal under CA law. And that got thrown out. And 100% of red light cameras are illegal under CA law, but still exist. So if you are one of the few that fight a ticket from one it will be immediately thrown out in court to preserve the revenue from the others that don't fight.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
For someone who actually lives in CA, I am contemplating going to ZR1 and I don’t worry for a second abt the new exhaust laws. Then again I don’t street race and my cars are stock.
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01-20-2019, 11:32 AM
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You guys DO know that cops are paid and taught how to LIE to motorists, right? I've been written up for a moving violation that didn't exist, and promptly had it thrown out by trial by written declaration. I've also been pulled over and told specifically that I would not have been had it not been for his quota - which is illegal under CA law. And that got thrown out. And 100% of red light cameras are illegal under CA law, but still exist. So if you are one of the few that fight a ticket from one it will be immediately thrown out in court to preserve the revenue from the others that don't fight.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
Historically exhaust volume has been legislated on a municipal, not state, level. So until someone posts the actual law I'll call it fake news. Most likely that vid was from around Malibu, which is particularly draconian about moving violations. That's not a CA issue, it's a $ issue.
And as an aside to all of you who bitch about the state you no longer live in. What are you doing to make it better? Oh, yeah, nothing. You gave up your vote. Some of us are staying to fight. And remember this, no matter where you run to...where CA goes so goes the nation sooner or later. And ugly truth, but a truth nonetheless. The most $ and the most electoral votes = the most power. See CARB as an example of this. Imagine how much better our country would be if there was more political balance within CA. That's impossible when the minority flees.
01-20-2019, 12:08 PM
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https://youtu.be/6YZ1SMsKhLc
first half of the podcast is some one knowledgeable explaining both the law, the application to date, and how it puts owners in a strange scenario.
also, the 95dba rating is at 3000-5000rpm and off of load, incredibly loud. the issue isn't the law, the issue is how police officers apply it.
first half of the podcast is some one knowledgeable explaining both the law, the application to date, and how it puts owners in a strange scenario.
also, the 95dba rating is at 3000-5000rpm and off of load, incredibly loud. the issue isn't the law, the issue is how police officers apply it.
Hmm, a lot of different info out there. I watched a video that said the test would be at an idle and and 2500 rpm's. 20 inches away from the tail pipe and at a 45* angle. This makes more sense to me than a test at 5,000 rpm. I have to think most cars would fail at 5,000 rpm's.
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01-20-2019, 02:42 PM
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Hmm, a lot of different info out there. I watched a video that said the test would be at an idle and and 2500 rpm's. 20 inches away from the tail pipe and at a 45* angle. This makes more sense to me than a test at 5,000 rpm. I have to think most cars would fail at 5,000 rpm's.