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It's not a sports car without a manual. It becomes a buick
But the younger crowd likes convenience and high tech, a quick shifting auto with paddles is what they prefer. GM needs to think about the future.
Me, I like a manual. Clutch, burp the throttle, downshift, clutch Its a dying art from the '60s and '70s but I feel connected to the car. I want a manual, but the new corvette owners I don't think so ...
It depends on the trans. If it's a well functioning DCT like Porsche's, then I'll go for it, even though I'm a manual trans guy. On the other hand if it behaves like some single clutch and some DCTs with sloppy/poor low speed manners, I'll probably pass and build a 700 hp C2 resto mod along the lines of this:
I guess there is a reason 70% of the Corvettes built are automatics?
Sure, but that still leaves 30%. Does any automaker want to cut their potential market by 30% when introducing a new model? I don't get the near-hostility toward those who chose one transmission over another. Choice is good - buy what you like. The real crime is losing the ability to make that choice.
Definitely go with the automatic tranny, are you kidding me?
There's no debate on that one.
Going out on a limb here, but must say: I'll bet you're a real joy to live with. Many of us happen to prefer a manual, and appreciate the degree of connectedness a manual provides. (Opinion Alert)
Apparently, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. didn't get the memo...
They use what is called " Egear " manual transmissions. It a standard manual transmission with high pressure hydraulic fluid that moves the shift arms and also the clutch. It is controlled by a computer module, can drive in full auto, or paddle shift at will. Very fast shifts in either mode, way faster than any human, plus it doesn't " miss " a shift. only problem is going slow in stop and go traffic, clutch wear can get huge as computer has a bit of problem allowing the proper amount of slip in traffic. But, you should not be driving these cars in traffic, not what they were built for.
It depends on the trans. If it's a well functioning DCT like Porsche's, then I'll go for it, even though I'm a manual trans guy. On the other hand if it behaves like some single clutch and some DCTs with sloppy/poor low speed manners, I'll probably pass and build a 700 hp C2 resto mod along the lines of this:
They use what is called " Egear " manual transmissions. It a standard manual transmission with high pressure hydraulic fluid that moves the shift arms and also the clutch. It is controlled by a computer module, can drive in full auto, or paddle shift at will. Very fast shifts in either mode, way faster than any human, plus it doesn't " miss " a shift. only problem is going slow in stop and go traffic, clutch wear can get huge as computer has a bit of problem allowing the proper amount of slip in traffic. But, you should not be driving these cars in traffic, not what they were built for.
What you are referring to is only in the Aventador now.
It's an automated SINGLE clutch called E-gear and it is absolutely terrible.
I've "borrowed" Lambos, and I can't wait to get out of them.
Ferrari, the new Lambo Hurracan , and every other top tier sports car today all run DCT, with TWO automated clutches.
I prefer a manual transmission in my Corvettes. There is an article on Jalopnik saying the mid engine Corvette will likely only be available with an automatic transmission. What would you do in this case? Buy the last stick shift Corvette and hold on to it or buy the auto just to have the latest and greatest?
I will be very disappointed if there is no manual option.
The current C7 will be my last Corvette if there are no more manuals in the future generations.
It depends on the trans. If it's a well functioning DCT like Porsche's, then I'll go for it, even though I'm a manual trans guy. On the other hand if it behaves like some single clutch and some DCTs with sloppy/poor low speed manners, I'll probably pass and build a 700 hp C2 resto mod along the lines of this:
I love that corvette. and would love to do something like it.
But i just cant drive something that custom on roads without fear of someone damaging it.
Just remember the current F1 engine is only 1.6 liters and produces 700+hp! It also has something that will be in the Vette future, IMO, a hybrid short duration, battery powered electric motor that produces ~160 hp. Wouldn't mind having one of those that operated for ~10 seconds between braking battery regeneration in a street driven Vette!
Perfect for powering out of corners.
BTW, the rumor mill this year in F1 about powerunits (engine + battery) has said there could be around 1300hp shortly.
This would make it a one-to-one situation (1 hp. per pound).
Originally Posted by dvilin
Big difference in the transmissions in the Ferrari and Lambo when compared with the GM slush box A8.
True.
Originally Posted by OnPoint
I'll probably pass and build a 700 hp C2 resto mod along the lines of this:
That thing looks wickedly cool.
Originally Posted by Racer86
They use what is called " Egear " manual transmissions. It a standard manual transmission with high pressure hydraulic fluid that moves the shift arms and also the clutch. It is controlled by a computer module, can drive in full auto, or paddle shift at will.
Exactly....most don't know this.
FWIW, when the term "manual" is used around here, it pertains to a 3rd pedal setup.
GM will probably offer a manual in the C whatever as they can add a hefty up charge for the auto/DCT. As the manual is only in about 25% of the C7's, an up charge that equals about a $600,000 amount to the cash flow.
I really don't think that the manual is going to last much longer and I'm OK with that, tech moves forward as is witnessed by the C7.
Where I live there is access to many nice cruvy roads which makes driving with a manual fun, but the traffic in Austin is getting lousy which makes an auto type tranny an easy choice.
I don't really care if it's a slush box auto (A8 ZF8/9), or actual clutch pressure plates operated by computers (e.g. DCT, PDK). I don't know about the A8, but the ZF8 in my Jaguar F-Type paddle-shifted every bit as fast as the PDK.
I only used the paddles exclusively, but I just got bored with them and missed the "3rd pedal experience."
GM will probably offer a manual in the C whatever as they can add a hefty up charge for the auto/DCT. As the manual is only in about 25% of the C7's, an up charge that equals about a $600,000 amount to the cash flow.
I really don't think that the manual is going to last much longer and I'm OK with that, tech moves forward as is witnessed by the C7.
Where I live there is access to many nice cruvy roads which makes driving with a manual fun, but the traffic in Austin is getting lousy which makes an auto type tranny an easy choice.
By that logic, I assume you would be fine with an autonomous driven Corvette also?
How far tech forward are you willing to go?
JK, to me, sports car and automatic should never be used in the same sentence.
Sure, but that still leaves 30%. Does any automaker want to cut their potential market by 30% when introducing a new model? I don't get the near-hostility toward those who chose one transmission over another. Choice is good - buy what you like. The real crime is losing the ability to make that choice.
I bet that some of that 30% would jump over to a DCT in a heartbeat if GM offers a good one. If GM goes with their typical "no one will know the difference" attitude and go with the cheapest thing that will half *** work, then they will shoot themselves in the foot.
Might even pick up a few new customers that don't want either a notchy Tremec or a unreliable GM slush box auto, but would spring for a good DCT(even if it had a torque convertor).
I guess there is a reason 70% of the Corvettes built are automatics?
Here are the reasons they build more automatics for any brand actually.
1. Millennials can't drive a stick.
2. Wife wants to drive the car sometimes.
3. Older guys have bad legs.
4. Can't drive a manual holding your latte.
5. To drive a manual well is an art.
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