Pressure on Mike Simcoe for Corvette C8
#41
Le Mans Master
I hope he isn't trying to design it with that thought in mind. Playing the game to not lose instead of playing the game to win is often the reason teams lose. I doubt that will happen, but I wish he would have said something like, "You're dealing with an icon that's been successful, and you want to be the one that takes it to the next level!"
Michael
#42
Well hopefully the C8 will be both classic and exotic...C7 had a short run for a reason. I really wanted to want one, The 7 never called out to me I like the looks but never wanted to own one...hmmn may be I need a hearing aid....lol
#43
Race Director
The C7 is not going to be that short a run if we are to believe the C8 will come out in 2021. I don't think GM ever intended for certain generations (C3, C4 in particular) to be SO long, but GM's problems made them last that long. I hope that GM is on the right track now to have each generation of Corvette last 6-7 years. C5 lasted 8 model years, C6 lasted 9 model years, but the C6 was extended because of the bankruptcy, the C7 was supposed to come out in 2011 or 2012 if I remember correctly.
#44
Melting Slicks
I like the Monaro/GTO. Have two of em aka GTO. IMO, the styling problem with the car was the wheels and the stance. It just plain looked whimpy. Put a staggered set of wheels on the car with slightly less offset in the front, and poof... Looks more bad-***. 17x8 48mm ET all around looked too pedestrian and didn't even fit right in the front. As for handling? I never tracked one, but the GTO drives decent. I dunno how anyone can really fault it for the way it drives, unless it was a high mileage one with worn out suspension parts...
...And then the C7 bashing. Have one of those as well. Kinda sounds like I'm on the wrong car forum? Hmmm...
...And then the C7 bashing. Have one of those as well. Kinda sounds like I'm on the wrong car forum? Hmmm...
#45
The C7 is by and large an overwhelming styling success, and you know it.
Place the C6 and C7 side-by-side, and 8/10 people like the C7 better.
#46
Safety Car
I agree. Many hated and continue to hate "the melting mascara" tail lights on the C7. The new Lexus SC 500 has similar but thinner version of the melting mascara tail lights. So again perhaps GM styling is ahead of the trend.
#47
Team Owner
Then they toned the Aztek styling down, like the photos you posted show.
I see a lot of the "original" Aztek in the C7.
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#48
Melting Slicks
If the Monaro is his calling card, I'm worried. The Monaro was the Holden alter-ego of the Pontiac GTO which, IMO, didn't live up to the heritage of the nameplate. Hope they have raised the bar much higher for the C8. I'm looking forward to the C8 and hope they nail it like they did with the C7.
2001 Holden Monaro
2001 Holden Monaro
I doubt that Simcoe had much to do with the design anyway - he was managing GM Asia at the time. It would seem that the chief designer gets the credit for the design team effort in most cases anyway.
The Monaro was initially designed on a zero budget, the initial work was done in the designers own time - GM-H refused to give them any budget for the idea. After they gave the design and modelling to GMH they agreed on a concept car for 98 motor show. The interest was so strong that GMH had to build the car, but it had to built to a budget - it ended up being built around the existing 4 door Holden Commodore, basically a 2 door SS Commodore.
My brother was at GMH at the time it was designed and built and said the production cost was less than the US GM executives would have spent on office catering in one year !
#49
Race Director
The GTO also didn't arrive in America for quite a long time after it first hit production...critiquing its styling so many years after it was originally released is also unfair.
Some will always see the potiential future of corvette as a glass half empty experience while others will see it as glass half full.
Just as a leopard can't change its spots..people can't change their personality.
None of us know what the c8 will be...
I'm a glass half full kind of guy so I fully expect the c8 to be stunning..affordable and offer class leading breath taking performance ...
Some will always see the potiential future of corvette as a glass half empty experience while others will see it as glass half full.
Just as a leopard can't change its spots..people can't change their personality.
None of us know what the c8 will be...
I'm a glass half full kind of guy so I fully expect the c8 to be stunning..affordable and offer class leading breath taking performance ...
#50
Le Mans Master
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#52
Team Owner
^^^^^ My C2 coupe looks dated, but, damn, it is beautiful car, with classic looks.
Cars are like women. There are some women that are the age of my '64 Corvette and while dated, are still very beautiful, and then there are ones that are young and ugly.
I love to go the auto museums and look at some of the most beautiful cars imaginable, but then, on the drive home I see an Aztek.
Cars are like women. There are some women that are the age of my '64 Corvette and while dated, are still very beautiful, and then there are ones that are young and ugly.
I love to go the auto museums and look at some of the most beautiful cars imaginable, but then, on the drive home I see an Aztek.
#53
Le Mans Master
^^^^^ My C2 coupe looks dated, but, damn, it is beautiful car, with classic looks.
Cars are like women. There are some women that are the age of my '64 Corvette and while dated, are still very beautiful, and then there are ones that are young and ugly.
I love to go the auto museums and look at some of the most beautiful cars imaginable, but then, on the drive home I see an Aztek.
Cars are like women. There are some women that are the age of my '64 Corvette and while dated, are still very beautiful, and then there are ones that are young and ugly.
I love to go the auto museums and look at some of the most beautiful cars imaginable, but then, on the drive home I see an Aztek.
I have seen many design kit cars emulating the 63 Coupe and the 53 Corvette using C5 and beyond frames and power trans, to me they look funky because they are so much longer and wider then the originals they emulate. My view is they are nice but do not hold their own against the originals. I think they look weird, like "Wanna Bes".
The C3, Shark design really is a disaster with design during its lifecycle. Because it had to adapt and changed over the life of the car to excepted the added features and options to comply with safety regulations, pollution requirements, and crash requirements during its lifecycle. The C3 was really not designed for all the changes it went through from 73 onward, that is why around 1979 and especially the 80's the last years of the C3 it really changed it looks a lot form what it started in 1968. Heck the 67 Corvette model year was not suppose to be a C2, but because of design issues of the changing laws got to be produced, and the 67 is the best year of the C2.
Of course the C2 will always maintain the persona of the ultimate design, but it was created during an era when design was the primary concern, and safety was in the form of optional seatbelts.
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#54
Le Mans Master
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#56
Le Mans Master
Explain to me why I cant buy a C7 Chevy Z06?
Last edited by sam90lx; 05-05-2017 at 10:47 AM.
#58
Drifting
My god, has anyone seen the new Honda Civic ? Excessive styling for stylings sake!
Ultimately beauty is in the eye of the beholder..
#59
Team Owner
I can...I can...because they are all sold out at every Chebby dealer across the country and you are too impatient to wait for one to be built and you can't afford the $20,000 dealer markup the dealers are getting.
Odds are better for you to snag a new Ford GT at half price at your local Ford dealer clearance sale.
Odds are better for you to snag a new Ford GT at half price at your local Ford dealer clearance sale.
Last edited by JoesC5; 05-05-2017 at 05:34 PM.
#60
Le Mans Master
I can...I can...because they are all sold out at every Chebby dealer across the country and you are too impatient to wait for one to be built and you can't afford the $20,000 dealer markup the dealers are getting.
Odds are better for you to snag a new Ford GT at half price at your local Ford dealer clearance sale.
Odds are better for you to snag a new Ford GT at half price at your local Ford dealer clearance sale.
Last edited by sam90lx; 05-05-2017 at 07:07 PM.